Lore team, please update Miss Fortune's story as well

Krizalid·Jul 16, 2015·7 votes·4,898 views

Because I hate the fact that such heroic character with such a great VO seduces or even sells her body to sailors in order to have a team. She's sounds and acts like a rare type of cocky and bold female characters (Actually I can't remember any except ) and the fact that the only thing she relies on is her body and attractiveness is killing me. I mean, why would she even sound like a heroic girl then, instead of a whining courtesan that she's being described in her story? And before anybody yells about "feminazi" - I'm a guy. **I mean it. This is the only time when I actually ask for a retcon, be it made of 3-4 sentences or not. Because this is absolutely ridiculous. **

44 Comments

RiotBioluminescenceJul 16, 201514 votes

Just my opinion, but I pity the person who underestimates Sarah Fortune because of her looks. I've seen women who put on their clothes and makeup like a knight puts on armor and straps on a sword - making them armed and exceptionally dangerous. But there's usually a very sharp mind behind those eyes.

I believe Jaredan is hoping to get some more of the biographic stories out for several of the champs, and is doing a test of the (seriously!) long awaited system to publish them next week (that test will involve some of the stories we've already seen for Shurima champs, but a test is a test!) I'd guess that the one for Sarah won't be N-hundred words of her batting her eyelashes and giggling at boys :)

Valaran NaraJul 16, 20152 votes

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I believe Jaredan is hoping to get some more of the biographic stories out for several of the champs, and is doing a test of the (seriously!) long awaited system to publish them next week (that test will involve some of the stories we've already seen for Shurima champs, but a test is a test!) I'd guess that the one for Sarah won't be N-hundred words of her batting her eyelashes and giggling at boys :)

Oh, hey, it's a second rioter to confirm a test of the system within a week's time. Guys, it's happening!

Legacy of XionJul 16, 20159 votes

Or giggling at girls.

shamelessly headcanons in the corner

A Superb VillainJul 16, 20152 votes

Whatever floats your boat.

KrizalidJul 16, 20152 votes

Thanks for response! I do hope that she will be portrayed as a brave and awesome character, rather than a seductress.

Dextix LTJul 16, 20152 votes

Which she already is portrayed as. While you are obviously blind of it and see only 1 part of her character and try to present it as her whole character.

Laughing FishJul 16, 20153 votes

She already is a brave and awesome character. A beautiful and intelligent woman is one of the most dangerous things in the world. And you would have to be quite brave and exceptionally skilled to successfully pull that off in a city filled with Pirates.

SunflowersJul 16, 20151 votes

i absolutely love the first part of this reply, it's like one of THE most vital parts about MF that most people seem to overlook!

RiotRiotJaredanJul 17, 20155 votes

I'd guess that the one for Sarah won't be N-hundred words of her batting her eyelashes and giggling at boys

Oh, it's not that. It's really not that. Muhahaha.

Jeddy017Jul 17, 20154 votes

The tease is strong with this one.

ImpetualJul 17, 20151 votes

I like Miss Fortune._ Please_ do a better job of retconning her than you did for Sivir.

SEKAIJul 16, 20154 votes

In JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, Joseph Joestar, being an incredibly muscular guy, is willing to dress up as a woman in an attempt to seduce the guards and slip into a Nazi base (that's not mention the amount of men in suggestive poses/outfit/position this series have, still among the most well received show to be ever created). Well obviously he failed plan A by default but you get the point why I brought this up.

Because one is willing to sexualise him/herself doesn't necessarily mean he/she loses any self value, really some people need to get over the great gender debate.

KrizalidJul 16, 20152 votes

I remember that, but that's really different. It was obvious that a giant muscular guy will fail at disguise, that scene was made for a pure comedy, while MF is being built on that type of things and she is not cross-dressing in order to get on ship or something. Can you feel the difference? But yeah, I get your point.

SEKAIJul 16, 20154 votes

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I remember that, but that's really different. It was obvious that a giant muscular guy will fail at disguise, that scene was made for a pure comedy, while MF is being built on that type of things and she is not cross-dressing in order to get on ship or something. Can you feel the difference?

Remember the "gay" scene between old Joseph and Avadol? D'Arby the younger's ambiguous homo duo with his own stand? Remember the pillar men essentially wears suggestive stripes and don't give 2 shiet about it?

Later on we get a guy wearing fishnet (not exact but it gives the impression), guy wearing thongs and all sort of stuff like that.

That still doesn't stop people from liking the characters, because whether or not a character is sexualised, if he/she is cool enough, they attract fans and it's pretty simple as that.

If MF is willing to go out seduce people, so be it, she seems like the type who would do that anyway, it isn't really the case of "it doesn't make sense on this character" tbh.

EDIT: Nami in One Piece also employs the seductive tactics to get past obstacles from time to time, doesn't that make her less smart, capable or respected.

KrizalidJul 16, 20152 votes

Because JoJo is ALL about being fabulous/non-straight/funny/over-the-top. League of Legends is not JJBA. Same thing would be wrong if a male character like Garen with all his talk about JUSTIIICE would have a story about him being a male prostitute in order to become a noble warrior. It's. Just. Not. Right.

SEKAIJul 16, 20152 votes

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Because JoJo is ALL about being fabulous/non-straight/funny/over-the-top. League of Legends is not JJBA. Same thing would be wrong if a male character like Garen with all his talk about JUSTIIICE would have a story about him being a male prostitute in order to become a noble warrior. It's. Just. Not. Right.

Griffith from Berserk sold himself once (or twice) as a prostitute in order to get money to form an army (which was also when he discovered he was actually gay but whatever), if that's what you're looking for.
As I mentioned earlier, Nami from One Piece.
Yoko from TTGL. Great character and well respected, despite being sexualised from the get go.
Kill la Kill. A seemingly chaotic series with quite a few messages that are relevant in the real world, all of the main cast is sexualised, male and female, old and young.
The female ghoul who owns a bar in Tokyo Ghoul (forgot her name), she is manipulative as sin and utilises her female beauty in conjunction with faked hospitality in attempts to dig more info when the target is less alerted. Rize also uses seduction to lure preys into her territory to be horribly murdered to eat, she is also very strong. And well, the "Nut Cracker".
Lottie and Zwei from Pandora Hearts are both self sexualising characters, doesn't make them less terrifying to get into trouble with.
In the manga, "Eden, its an endless world", from what I can remember there is a cutting edge smart female hacker who is pretty much a whore, and another female who chose to be a prostitute, with her own ideals backing her up.

None of the characters mentioned above loses self worth because of some sexual incidents or portrayal they're put into.

It's only a problem when the action performed by a character is not matching with his/her own personality, otherwise there is nothing wrong with it. If MF is just the showy type who would choose that seducing routine to achieve certain purposes from time to time (judging from her dressing attire I don't think it's unfair to assume so), I don't see the problem with it.

KrizalidJul 16, 20152 votes

The main problem is that LoL lacks characters who do the opposite of playing on someone's feelings or weaknesses. As I've mentioned, there's only one female character with a cocky and positive persona (and very charismatic) who achieves her goals by simply "doooing it", be it hard or even painful. It would make MF much greater character, but it just pushes her back into the rest of others and makes her look really blank.

SEKAIJul 16, 20152 votes

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The main problem is that LoL lacks characters who do the opposite of playing on someone's feelings or weaknesses. As I've mentioned, there's only one female character with a cocky and positive persona (and very charismatic) who achieves her goals by simply "doooing it", be it hard or even painful. It would make MF much greater character, but it just pushes her back into the rest of others and makes her look really blank.

While I see your point, but this is a problem with stories that are not made and maintained by 1 person or 2.

Because when too many opinions get into the same mixer, it becomes bland and stereotyped. Which is why LoL doesn't have that many interesting personas.

But in particularly MF's case, she really is the type who would go out abusing her beauty to achieve things quicker with less effort, it's just who she is.

I tbh won't worry about it too much unless Riot decided to sexualise say Riven, then yeah that's gonna have an issue with me. But on MF I think its totally fine imho.

EDIT: if they ever wanna revamp her personality, start with her costume and personal habits first, it just wouldn't make sense to have a confident yet non-showy character to wear almost topless and tight jeans that half shows the butt, while spamming near erotic/ suggestive gestures and all that whenever she could.

NarasimhaJul 16, 20151 votes

Griffith from Berserk sold himself once (or twice) as a prostitute in order to get money to form an army (which was also when he discovered he was actually gay but whatever), if that's what you're looking for.

Just to jump in, pretty sure he's not gay, probably just bi. Remember, part of what tipped him over the edge was realizing that he could never have a 'normal' life with Caska.... and that Gatts/Guts could.

Dextix LTJul 16, 20151 votes

The point was that his sexuality or him doing that stuff did not make him a lesser character. It just added to it.

NarasimhaJul 16, 20151 votes

Oh, not arguing that at all, just correcting his point.

SlackerboyTCJul 16, 20153 votes

Please dont, they're gonna make her thing a paragraph and thats it

Melancholy ExileJul 16, 20153 votes

So:

'No bounty was too difficult or too dangerous for her feminine charm and her renowned use of her twin pistols, "Shock and Awe". Her success gave her the means to legitimately purchase her own ship - with a little flirtatious haggling, of course'

...reads as selling her body in your book and makes her a 'whining courtesan'?

I don't disagree that her sexual nature is perhaps too big a focus, particularly in her VO, but I'm not sure why we're jumping from that sort of discussion to saying that she can't be a hero or denigrating her character for acting that way.

A Miss FortuneJul 16, 20153 votes

I don't think there's anything wrong with Miss Fortune knowing that she's a really attractive woman and abusing that, I mean, realistically that would be wrong but It's awesome lore and gives her more unique personality. Sure Caitlyn, Ashe or whoever is beautiful, but they don't use their looks like Miss Fortune does.

My main issue is that they don't really give a lot on how she became so powerful. They basically said she's good with guns, but is she like the best gunslinger in Bilgewater or something? I want a more in-depth look on how strong she really is in combat. Is she really agile? Does she have godly aim? Did her parents or a friend train her in gun-shooting and combat?

Overall I really like Miss Fortune, she can seem like an innocent, harmless woman but obviously she isn't called one of Valoran's greatest Bounty Hunters for no reason and isn't afraid to draw some blood.

KrizalidJul 16, 20152 votes

What's unique about seducing? Don't we already have these Ahri Elise Cassiopeia characters?

I can agree with everything else though. We need more characters who show their strength, their skills, their will and their ambitions. And if Miss Fortune has pushed that line further somehow, she would become much greater as a character.

A Miss FortuneJul 16, 20154 votes

I don't think Cassiopeia seduces people, and I think Elise just flat out manipulates people.

It's really hard to talk about the lore, when relatively none of it exists.

Legacy of XionJul 16, 20151 votes

Cass does seduce, she was a Seductress of Noxus, pretty much. Elise is no seductress.

Ahri is a very interesting area...

A Miss FortuneJul 16, 20151 votes

How did Cassiopeia seduce people, I don't really know much of her lore aside from her Shurima story?

And Ahri is Ahri. Does she even have lore besides she magically turned into a human-fox hybrid and then decides to seduce people because why not.

Melancholy ExileJul 16, 20152 votes

To use the summary in her contemporary short bio for simplicity's sake:

"she was once a beautiful and cunning temptress capable of manipulating the hardest heart."

Before the incident that caused her transformation, in either version of her lore, Cassiopeia was someone who served Noxus and her family's interest by using her looks, wit and understanding of courtly behaviour and high society to manipulate others and pry valuable secrets from them. Her old lore stated plainly that she "could never be found far from the arm of any foreign dignitary," referred to her directly as a seductress and called her time in the company of the Freljordian diplomat who cursed her a tryst - a private, romantic rendezvous between lovers.

Laughing FishJul 16, 20151 votes

Cassiopeia was a spy that seduced people to get information out of them.

Laughing FishJul 16, 20151 votes

What is unique about using a sword? What is unique about fire? Seduction has historically been one of the hardest to counter weapons.

MotajoJul 17, 20151 votes

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What's unique about seducing? Don't we already have these characters?

Meh, MF was here first. I guess she can be unique by having (little to) no magic enhancing it. Or to differentiate from Cass, she's not Princess Bitch.

HellioningJul 16, 20152 votes

You should read her old league judgement. Lots of bold female characterization there.

Dextix LTJul 16, 20152 votes

This gender idiocity is getting riddiculous. Yes, mf is using her feminine charms and they help her, but she also has other qualities. She is cunning, brave, adventurous. Just because she uses the tools that nature gave her doesnt make her lesser of a character.

Also, VI and MF are the only bold female characters in this game? Jesus christ......

Alright.

Akali Ashe Caitlyn Diana Fiora Irelia Karma Kalista Kayle Leona Nami Poppy Riven Shyvana Sivir Syndra Tristana Vayne

By your standarts all of these champions are not brave and objectified female characters, right?

Wrong. These are strong, brave female characters which are not that rare (Only rare to white knights for feminaziz which cant google anything and worship sarkeezian).

EDIT: Instead of downvoting me out of spite tell me where i am wrong.

KrizalidJul 16, 20153 votes

Cocky and bold - yes, the only ones. As example, Fiora isn't cocky, she's arrogant and selfish.

Dextix LTJul 16, 20151 votes

Have you heard her VO? " I long for a worthy opponent" , that is cocky as fck. It directly implies that she has never fought a worthy opponent before. IF you see that as arrogance i could also say that vi is arrogant too.

have you even read her lore? She fought her own mentor, her father, because he cheated. That takes bravery. After that she even decided to fight on to regain honnor that was lost. That is also brave. She doesnt give up, she goes above everything despite her past.

Every one of these characters that i showed above, is brave as noone else. Some of them are also cocky.

Tristana is nothing else but cocky. Seriously? You want to tell me tristana isnt brave and cocky? That sivir isnt?

Please. For someone who fights for "female champion rights" you like the other Feminazi people fail to see other champions, their stories, while focusing on only one and saying that every other female is objectified and noone else is brave.

KrizalidJul 16, 20151 votes

Calm down and start reading more carefully.

Dextix LTJul 16, 20151 votes

I did read. And you said that the only 2 cocky and brave female characters are Vi and MF, which is straight up false.

You also said that fiora is selfish and not cocky but arrogant. Which is again false.

Also you having 2 accounts just to downvote me is just funny.

KrizalidJul 16, 20151 votes

I said that I only remember the brightest two. From the start.
She is. Do you know the difference between being "cocky" and "arrogant"? Open the dictionary if it might help you.
Any proof? Someone disagrees with you - it's definitely a conspiracy. Anyway, I'm kinda done discussing the subject with you. Some people are just bulletproof and too aggressive, especially when it comes to different opinions on things.

Dextix LTJul 16, 20151 votes

the only ones.

Quote take from the upper section.

Taken from a dictionary : Arrogance: sense of superiority, self-importance, or entitlement. Vi definetly qualifies under these things. She thinks she is superior and important. SO how come vi is cocky, when a definition of arrogance fits her.

And how come Fiora is arrogant when the definition of Cocky: Thinking too highly of yourself, fits for her too?

It just seems to me that your choises are tailored for your opinion when it can be proven copletely false.

It just so happens that my every post in this not too long ago -1 and only -1, and it just so happens that those minuses always appear in near times and near the time of your posts. Just a coincidence, right?

Also, im open to different opinions, when they cannot be factually disproven. In your case it can. Yes, MF indeed uses her sexuality to get what she wants. Is this her only trait? No it is not. But you are presenting it in a way as it would be. And you represent it as somehow making mf a worse character, when it just simply doesnt.

For example, Isabella from DA:2. She is almost the same as mf, however she is a pirate not a pirate hunter. DId that make her less of a character? No it did not.

SunflowersJul 16, 20152 votes

i feel like you haven't really read mf's lore and judgment and gotten a grasp on who she is as a character if you're writing her off as just some woman who seduces to get her way. where are you even getting these thoughts from? where do you get whining courtesan? where do you get that she ONLY relies on her body to get what she wants?

"Her success gave her the means to legitimately purchase her own ship - with a little flirtatious haggling, of course."

how does that translate into "the only thing she relies on is her body and attractiveness" ?

how are you ignoring the story of finding her mother brutally murdered? and her vow to find the jerk that killed her and avenge her mother? that part has absolutely nothing to do with her body and the type of searing rage one would feel as a result of violence that extreme means that MF has a lot more depth to her than solely just relying on her body as you are putting it. her charms are INCLUDED in her array of skills and there isn't anything wrong at all with that - like bioluminesence said:

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Just my opinion, but I pity the person who underestimates Sarah Fortune because of her looks. I've seen women who put on their clothes and makeup like a knight puts on armor and straps on a sword - making them armed and exceptionally dangerous. But there's usually a very sharp mind behind those eyes.

so, honestly OP, if you're writing off MF as just a character who's tits and ass and nothing else, the problem isn't with MF's writing. the problem is with you.

Iceborn PippinJul 16, 20151 votes

"Miss Fortune is a bold bounty hunter that hunts pirates. She utilizes her wit, charm, seduction and guns to get her way when hunting for her mark. She has a massive grudge with the pirate king Gangplank."

There you go. That would basically be how the new bio looks in its entirety if "updated", no exaggeration.

wunawayJul 16, 20151 votes

But Vi whore too :S

GreenLoreJul 16, 20151 votes

Overall I see MF as the kind of character who would flirt with a guy to take advantage of him,even when she has no intention of having sex with him,simply because she doesn't need to go that far and because she can kick his ass if he goes too far.