@Riot, Let's Finally Figure Out Which Pre-Retcon Lore Is Cannon And Which Isn't. It's Long Overdue.

Impetual··4 votes·876 views

The blanket statement Riot pushed that all old lore was cannon except where it contradicted the new lore isn't working.

There's still so many lore inconsistencies over a year after the decision to retcon the lore.

Although I'm against retconning the original League of Legends lore, I must say, Riot should be doing a better job of retconning League of Legends Lore.

@Riot, if you must retcon your lore, do it right. In you attempts to keep most of the old lore cannon you are making most of the new lore contradictory to the old lore.

By trying to have the best of both worlds, without investing the time and dedication to produce that kind of lore, you are creating lore that doesn't make sense since some champion's still have bio's based off old lore and others are based off new lore.

@Riot, make your game's lore make sense. No other game could get away having some champion's existing within different lore timelines without an explanation. LoL shouldn't get a free pass for a lack of writing and lack of content.

Seriously, think about it, if any other game took this long to retcon their lore and still be only partially finished, they would be seem extremely incompetent.

18 Comments

Sharjo4 votes

It's easy: everything from early 2013 onwards is pretty much canon right now. The earlier stuff is all dubious.

Tesla Effect2 votes

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It's easy: everything from early 2013 onwards is pretty much canon right now. The earlier stuff is all dubious.

And most of the old stuff had only the Institute of War removed. For instance: Annie, Blizcrank, Talon, Caitlyn, Vayne, Jarvan IV...

Sharjo2 votes

I mean, those guys are probably gonna get larger scale rewrites later but at the very least the fact they just went with the IoW omission right now is indicative that they think that lore is ok to utilise and potentially expand upon in the later developments.

Impetual1 votes

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It's easy: everything from early 2013 onwards is pretty much canon right now. The earlier stuff is all dubious.

How precise...Lol...

Sharjo2 votes

It takes you so bloody long to respond to your own threads. You just dump 'em on the boards and leave them. You'd maybe get a better response if you actually engaged in the discussion as you created it, if that's feasible for you. Maybe it's not but I dunno.

Vistha Kai4 votes

Nonono.

It's a year after the retcon became official.

The actual retcon happened in May 2012 when last issue of Journal of Justice was released and after nearly FOUR years they still did nothing.

This is like your typical politics bullshit except the only thing we can do is to emigrate aka quit the game.

Earl Eulrich1 votes

unfortunatlly the only other moba that would have offered strategic gameplay and lore had been shut down by EA... R.I.P. dawngate.

Vistha Kai1 votes

Hence why monopoly is bad.

Well, there's always Smite that has possibly the biggest "lore" of any games.

LaoBushido3 votes

I'm pretty sure they explained at length when the reconed happened anything to do with the IOW and LOL are not cannon while BIg event still happened such as the Ionian invasion by noxus . They are working on it give them time we get quality stuff with a decent enought time gap we will get more Ionian lore next week via Shen and jhin , and getthing targons and shurima lore after than , if we rush them quality will suffer

Impetual1 votes

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I'm pretty sure they explained at length when the reconed happened anything to do with the IOW and LOL are not cannon while BIg event still happened such as the Ionian invasion by noxus . They are working on it give them time we get quality stuff with a decent enought time gap we will get more Ionian lore next week via Shen and jhin , and getthing targons and shurima lore after than , if we rush them quality will suffer

Giving a description of what previous lore is cannon and what previous lore is not cannon isn't a satisfactory way of explaining lore.

To be frank, if Riot want's to Retcon huge part's of it's lore, it should probably just start releasing lore from the beginning.

Impetual2 votes

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I'm pretty sure they explained at length when the reconed happened anything to do with the IOW and LOL are not cannon while BIg event still happened such as the Ionian invasion by noxus . They are working on it give them time we get quality stuff with a decent enought time gap we will get more Ionian lore next week via Shen and jhin , and getthing targons and shurima lore after than , if we rush them quality will suffer

Most of that reasoning doesn't make sense as the IOW was involved in those conflicts.

Riot was fucking lazy and told us to pretend everything happened the same way except without the IOW existing. That's a really stupid and unsatisfying way to retcon the lore of a beloved game. Heck, the League of Legends doesn't even exist now!

Valaran Nara2 votes

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Most of that reasoning doesn't make sense as the IOW was involved in those conflicts.

Riot was fucking lazy and told us to pretend everything happened the same way except without the IOW existing. That's a really stupid and unsatisfying way to retcon the lore of a beloved game. Heck, the League of Legends doesn't even exist now!

If you want them to explain how Kalamanda happened without the IOW, then they COULD, but then you would have Jaredan rambling about the idea of how it possibly could have worked out. The things that would occur. Since the IOW's not around, the resolution probably came out like this. Let's say, if the political victor was Noxus, then blah blah blah.

Because they don't have the story fully written. But with something like Kalamanda, they probably want to do a story or two to build up TO IT, and have a flight plan of what happens after it.

I mean, here's the thing. They still need to flesh out Prince Jarvan's story before they even touch Kalamanda. They can't just say, "Hey, these are the major points of the old retcon. Noxus vs Ionia. Kalamanda. The Rune Wars, et cetera, et cetera. These should be the first ones we do. Let's go."

They wrote it all down. Good job. Now we get to experience plot holes because they didn't fully build up Ionia or Noxus post retcon. We have no idea what the characters would do since they don't have League interference. Cool, cool. Kalamanda has been done, but the characters in it don't even have a fleshed out background of their own other than "I hate this person cause I am the prince of the opposing state."

There must be a beginning and an end. There must be events which lead up to these huge moments. If they aren't given time to write the foundational structure of each city state before they thrust them into war, then we'll have huge chunks of, "Wait, this isn't right," going haywire.

The Noxian-Ionian War altered the livelyhood of a large roster of the Ionian champions. Riot needs to build upon the champions first and how they would respond before just tossing them into a 5 page story done overnight that doesn't have enough forethought or structural lee-way to permit possibilities to occur after other than the "cheap way out" method of forcing story progression.

Impetual1 votes

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If you want them to explain how Kalamanda happened without the IOW, then they COULD, but then you would have Jaredan rambling about the idea of how it possibly could have worked out. The things that would occur. Since the IOW's not around, the resolution probably came out like this. Let's say, if the political victor was Noxus, then blah blah blah.

Because they don't have the story fully written. But with something like Kalamanda, they probably want to do a story or two to build up TO IT, and have a flight plan of what happens after it.

I mean, here's the thing. They still need to flesh out Prince Jarvan's story before they even touch Kalamanda. They can't just say, "Hey, these are the major points of the old retcon. Noxus vs Ionia. Kalamanda. The Rune Wars, et cetera, et cetera. These should be the first ones we do. Let's go."

They wrote it all down. Good job. Now we get to experience plot holes because they didn't fully build up Ionia or Noxus post retcon. We have no idea what the characters would do since they don't have League interference. Cool, cool. Kalamanda has been done, but the characters in it don't even have a fleshed out background of their own other than "I hate this person cause I am the prince of the opposing state."

There must be a beginning and an end. There must be events which lead up to these huge moments. If they aren't given time to write the foundational structure of each city state before they thrust them into war, then we'll have huge chunks of, "Wait, this isn't right," going haywire.

The Noxian-Ionian War altered the livelyhood of a large roster of the Ionian champions. Riot needs to build upon the champions first and how they would respond before just tossing them into a 5 page story done overnight that doesn't have enough forethought or structural lee-way to permit possibilities to occur after other than the "cheap way out" method of forcing story progression.

Re-read your post I quoted...I don't think you actually make much of a point about anything...you just spouted a lot of fluff.

With all do respect, your response is just you prattling on about your own personal non-sense explanation/justification for the retcon. If your post actually has a point, please boil it down into a sentence or two and let us know what it is. ** I'm sorry, I'm not gonna take your post seriously, because as far as I can tell, you don't have much to say. **

If you can put together a cohesive, precise, and constructive post, feel free to post it into this thread.

Impetual2 votes

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I'm pretty sure they explained at length when the reconed happened anything to do with the IOW and LOL are not cannon while BIg event still happened such as the Ionian invasion by noxus . They are working on it give them time we get quality stuff with a decent enought time gap we will get more Ionian lore next week via Shen and jhin , and getthing targons and shurima lore after than , if we rush them quality will suffer

You are mistaken.

At the announcement of the retcon, Riot pretty much went out of their way not to give us any answers about anything. Afterwards, they told us to assume all of the old lore was cannon except where the new lore contradicted it...That's lazy, and pretty much bullshit, especially when considering the fact that RIot is extremely slowly and systematically replacing the old lore with newer, vaguer, streamlined, less detailed lore to replace the original lore of League of Legends. (which by the way, doesn't, actually include the existence of the "League of Legends")

** Riot announced the retcon, ignored the massive downvotes that responded to the retcon announcement, and then made a scapegoat out of Riot Opeli by making her take the heat for the retcon announcements while Riot Jaredan laid low and didn't respond to anything controversial, despite the fact that he's supposedly somewhat in charge of whatever Riot's currently calling their lore team, or at least he was at the time...Riot's been kinda hush hush about who's working on lore in the last year or so for some reason. **

Riot's been giving the lore loving community the run around for years before the retcon. I almost miss the days when my biggest annoyance with Riot was them ignoring the lore boards for months.

BTW, take a look at the lore currently provided on the website (which is supposedly Riot's new and definitive way of distributing lore) - can you actually find much information about Kalamanda or any other major event from official Riot sources these days?

Nope.

Mystery Ghost1 votes

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I'm pretty sure they explained at length when the reconed happened anything to do with the IOW and LOL are not cannon while BIg event still happened such as the Ionian invasion by noxus . They are working on it give them time we get quality stuff with a decent enought time gap we will get more Ionian lore next week via Shen and jhin , and getthing targons and shurima lore after than , if we rush them quality will suffer

do you use same name on facebook

LaoBushido1 votes

No? I use my real name

Earl Eulrich3 votes

first they killed the lore, now they killed the strategy....seems like they´re on a run to make Lol a bad Hots clone to close the circle?

Vistha Kai2 votes

This is what happens when inexperienced fools get huge and rich too fast. If the game got popular, say, two years later we'd be in a very much different situation.

For example the one in which developers know what to do with their only child.

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