Incongruities Regarding Ekko's history with Vi.

Zypheit·May 27, 2015·20 votes·4,279 views

So from the Q&A regarding Ekko, there's a few answers regarding a past, albeit loose, connection between Ekko and Vi. This quote for example:

5) Ekko knew Vi when they were both younger before she left for Piltover. He's got mixed feelings about her now. On one hand he knows who she was and what she could be and that she's a good person, but on the other hand she sold out and is working for the Pilties now.

Ekko also has a taunting line accusing Vi of being a sellout for leaving Zuan in favor of Piltover.

"You'll always be Zaun to me." "You forgot your roots, Vi."

Are two examples.

However, from Vi's current lore...

As a child growing up in the lawless outskirts of Piltover, Vi learned to rob and cheat to get by. Stealing and stripping hextech hardware gave her the skills of a master mechanic, while life on the streets taught her self-reliance. When she was six, a ragtag group of criminals took a shine to the young delinquent and brought her into their fold. By the time Vi was eleven, she had become a seasoned accomplice, and she relished the thrill of every heist.

So she's in Piltover at the age of six. She's also significantly older than Ekko. So how is there any possibility for a past connection and how is Ekko under the impression Vi is from Piltover since her entire known history has her residing in Piltover? Also, doesn't Ekko knowing / knowing of both Vi and Jinx kind of ruin the potential ambiguity of Vi and Jinx's mysterious past relationship?

If there's been some kind of slip up, then I'd like to draw attention to it. If there's going to be a retcon of Vi's current lore, then I would deeply appreciate some assurance it will be handled, handled well, and handled soon because I've sat silent but uneasy for quite a while as all these lore changes have gone through. I do not want to see the background of one of my favorite champions stuck in the same quagmire.

30 Comments

ImpetualMay 27, 20159 votes

I sense a Vi retcon in the works. :(

Hope I'm wrong.

GenoXxMay 27, 20153 votes

The pilties will join the ranks with the Shadows and Shurima

ModWulf HelhammerMay 27, 20155 votes

The age difference could be chocked up to Ekko's constant time travel

GreenLoreMay 27, 20155 votes

Its been confirmed that ekkos time travel doesn't stop his aging. If anything he actually ages faster because he goes through certain moments several times.

RetillinMay 27, 20155 votes

Huge fan of lore. But at this moment there is no point to paying attention to it. To say it has been done haphazardly is an understatement.

ZypheitMay 28, 20151 votes

The point is at least being able to point back to this and say I tried to draw attention to it. There's definitely a greater issue going on with the lore but I haven't felt strongly enough about it to start putting my words together on it. Vi however is really cool and like I said, I don't want her stuck in lore limbo.

ReedRichardsMay 27, 20155 votes

Zaun is right next to Piltover. Originally they were the same city before they split because of philosophical differences, I think. So, it could be accurately described as "the lawless outskirts of Piltover."

GenoXxMay 27, 20151 votes

Maybe, they're houses in the middle of both cities. I thought about it, they're a river seperating them but the outskirts of both has to be like a town of something

Legacy of XionMay 27, 20153 votes

...you're expecting anything to make sense with a lore team that says everything has to be a surprise and continues following in the glorious Kitae's footsteps, and who continue following the road map of the Great Retcon?

Valaran NaraMay 27, 20152 votes

You know, if Ekko's around 17 and Vi is, say, 21, then as he would have been 7-8 when she became 11 and a "seasoned accomplice."

Which is around the right age where, even if she WASN'T the greatest, a kid could still think she was "the coolest person on runterra!"

GreenLoreMay 27, 20153 votes

The problem is that Vi started to live in Piltover at the age of 6,which would mean that ekko was only 2 years old by the time she left zaun.

ChaoticPineconeMay 27, 20152 votes

it never says Vi lived in Piltover at 6. She joined the gang at 6, which i assume was in Zaun, where she stayed for a while (11 she was a seasoned apprentice, but we dont know when the mining incident happened).

Vi didnt offically move to piltover until she was recruited by Caitlyn.

GreenLoreMay 27, 20152 votes

Uhm the opener of this very thread pointed out,how Vis lore talks about how she grew up in Piltover,not Zaun.

ChaoticPineconeMay 27, 20153 votes

From the lore, we have:

Ages 0-6: She grew up in the OUTSKIRTS of piltover, learning to rob and cheat. we can safely assume that this is not in piltover. Age 6: taken in by a gang. no information given where the group was located - possibly Zaun. Age 11: Season accomplice of gang. Age Unknown: leaves gang, becomes a Robin Hood-type criminal who steals from other criminals. Location still unknown - still possibly zaun Present Day: works in Piltover.

You can read in inconsistencies in the lore if you make certain assumptions (the gang was in piltover) but the lore reads consistently with her living her gang life in Zaun.

Edit - and her interactions with Ekko seems to suggest that she was part of the same gang as Ekko. Ekko may have joined later, but its the same gang.

GreenLoreMay 27, 20151 votes

Vi has amnesia of her time before she joined the gang(thats why she is called vi,she was named after the tatoo),so why would her lore say she grew up in the outskirts of piltover,if thats the very part that she has forgotten?

Plus Vi has appearantly forgotten who Jinx is meaning that she knew jinx from her time when she was 0-6.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/lEN9q900-jinx-and-vis-family-ties-facts-myths-and-theories?comment=0007

ChaoticPineconeMay 28, 20151 votes

thats very fine and dandy, but besides the entire point.

The lore isnt from Vi's viewpoint, so we dont know if she remembers whats written in the lore. Lets take for example Zac - does Zac actually know the history of his creation thats explained in the lore? we dont know. its written in third person though, not "narrated by". its not hard to imagine a storyteller telling the story of Vi's background from an omnipotent point of view.

She could have lived in piltover from 0-6. She could have known Jinx at that time. and she could have forgotten it all. it doesnt make any difference to my point - there is nothing to suggest that the gang that Vi joined when she was 6 was not in Zaun.

There are two points of history we dont know - where she lived when she was with the gang, and where she lived when she defected. She could have met Ekko at any of those two points in time.

and all we know from gypsylord's extremely enigmatic comments is that Vi was an orphan after the amnesia. The way the comment was worded "any family she may have had" seems to open a possibility that she was an orphan before the amnesia - especially since he mentions being an orphan first, and the trauma of which brought about the amnesia.

Hell, we can go into straight theory and say Jinx killed Vi's family, orphaning her and giving her amnesia, and she finds it entertaining to keep baiting Vi. but we dont know. We can say that Vi entered the gang at the age of 6, branding her with the "Vi" we see (Ekko is XII, Jinx is said to be X), then got amnesia right after. we just dont know.

GreenLoreMay 28, 20151 votes

The problem with Vi joining the gang first and then getting amnesia is that Vi remained in that gang until she was 11,why wouldn't they just tell her her name if she was a gang member before?

But yeah overall we can't be sure that Vis gang was only active in Piltover,but judging by Ekkos VO it sounds a bit like VI has forgotten her zaunite roots,which would mean that yes she wasn't in Zaun since she got amnesia.

ChaoticPineconeMay 28, 20151 votes

good point. she probably got amnesia before joining the gang, or else they would know her name. but we still dont know if she was an orphan before losing her memory. The timeline could have gone: Orphan-Amneisa-Gang or Amnesia-Orphan-Gang.

we can agree that she probably kept her memory from her gang life.

I took Ekkos comments a different way - when he says "you forgot your roots", i didnt take it literally - its an expression. He also says "hey, sellout". I thought he was referring to the fact that she ditched her gang/criminal/zaunite experiences when Caitlyn offered her a job in law enforcement in Piltover (and maybe referring to her defection from the gang). this is very different from Ekko, who has strong ties to his fellow orphan gangmembers.

GreenLoreMay 28, 20151 votes

Well Gypsylord said that she was "orphaned at an extremely young age" and that her trauma left her without memories of her family,so it should be Orphan-amnesia-Gang.

And yeah she kept her memories of her gang life,its just the big question of which gangs she was a part of.

And looking at Vis lore,she ditched her gang already during the mining-incident and started to steal from other criminals,joining the cops came later.

Also its been confirmed that Ekko is not an Orphan,his parents are still alive,they just work a lot and rarely home;).

Overall it seems a bit fishy.The way Ekko talks sounds like he personally knew Vi,but vi doesn't seem to remember Jinx,which implies that she probably doesn't remember her time in zaun and she is said to have lost her memories at a rather young age and this seems rather weird given the appearant age difference.

ChaoticPineconeMay 29, 20151 votes

It makes sense that Ekko isnt an orphan. I was wondering about that in the comic - where was he fixing his ZDrive at the end? how did he have connections to get somewhere that fancy?

I dont know if Ekko personally knows Vi - he could be basing his statements on her notoriety for being such a good criminal. It sounds like he was a lot closer to Jinx than Vi.

GreenLoreMay 29, 20151 votes

Yeah,it was mentioned that the Mural depicts children who died/went missing,maybe one of these faces is actually VIs(there are some on the upper half of the mural that we can't see),he would still recognize vi simply based on the "VI"-tatoo.

NarasimhaMay 28, 20151 votes

Edit - and her interactions with Ekko seems to suggest that she was part of the same gang as Ekko. Ekko may have joined later, but its the same gang.

It was strongly suggested in his Q&A that they weren't in the same gang, at least not at the same time.

ChaoticPineconeMay 28, 20151 votes

yeah. youre right about that - they might not know each other personally. but theres no denying that there is some connection between these 3.

Its been said before that Jinx marked things with an X. Ekko has XII on his sword. Vi is Vi. All are orphans. All joined a gang. And Jinx and Ekko know each other ("I had a crush - until you started talking to the gun"). Ekko seems to know VI's past ("You forgot your roots, Vi"). Jinx has some relation with Vi, which is nothing new.

GreenLoreMay 27, 20151 votes

yeah I noticed that too. It was said that Ekko is around 16/17 and I'd guess that Vi is ~20,so I guess Ekko was ~3 years old when VI left,maybe 4. I guess something really traumatic might have happened during that time(probably related to Vis amnesia),which could be a reason why he is still able to remember vi despite the amount of years that already passed.

Another possibility is that the whole Jinx&VI being sisters thing is true(which is quite likely now and I think Ekko doesn't ruin it,he finally gives us more hints,which was really necessary after such a long time) and that Jinx never forgot her older sister and its because of her that Ekko didn't forget vi.

RennagadeMay 27, 20151 votes

I think it's safe to say the the general location of places has been moved around in the retcon. This is evident when looking at the map from "First light after the Harrowing" which shows the shadow isles being closest to Bilgewater when previously they were shown to be one the exact opposite sides of the map.

Zaun and Piltover might be even closer together now.

edit: also, this was also stated in the Q&A

{quoted}

Ekko isn't directly related to Jinx or Vi. He's too young to have been getting into scrapes alongside Vi, though he knows of her. The lady has a well-earned rep.

GlîtterMay 27, 20151 votes

Keep in mind that Ekko also claims to have had a crush on Jinx. If he did have a crush on young Jinx it's easier to comprehend how a young Ekko would look up to and remember a badass 11-13 year old Vi. Any timeline on when she got her gauntlets? Those would easily be memorable to a kid.

Shadow MerchantMay 28, 20151 votes

OP acts like Lore is supposed to make sense in this game..

Shroom JunkieMay 28, 20151 votes

I think Zaun is actually in piltover. Like a dumps area.

Anyway, I once saw a thing about this, and they thought about it. A whole crap load of history between Ekko, Vi, Caitlyn, and Jinx, in a group that is made of rankings with roman numerals. They thought maybe Caitlyn was the leader, seeing as her name started with C and I heard something about it, and that would be 100. Anyway, Ekko's sword apparently has some kind of Roman numeral on it, like XI or something, I couldn't find it, and Vi in itself is a Roman numeral, plus Jinx's codename during her release was "X" and the last digit in her name is X, signalling that Vi is #6, Caitlyn is #100, Jinx is #10, and Ekko is like #11 or whatever.