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What are the relationships of the Du Couteau family

Mandalorian 117··2 votes·3,170 views

How does Katarina, Cassiopeia, and Talon feel about each other? And what do they think of their father?

Obviously if you’re a general in a highly militaristic society, their family is pretty much a bunch of nobles, but did they see him as a father, a general, or a big name to live up to?

Ever since Cassiopeia got her “condition” she has been kept away from the world. Did her family lock her up because they were ashamed, because she could be dangerous, or to protect her? And what is her relation to Kat? Do they love each other, do they despise each other, or are they afraid of one another?

Talon is kind of a wildcard. Does kat and cass even know of his existence? Do they know that their father found some street rat and made him into an assassin? If so, do they approve?

Now that their father has disappeared, and cass is out in the world, what happens next? Cuz this is a pretty messed up (but very interesting) family. Will we get more with the swain rework?

21 Comments

ChompyWulf2 votes

I would hazard to say the specter of General Du Couteau lingers heavily in their minds, and I am assuming their upbringing was loyalty to their house above all. I would assume a sort of constant shifting of rivalry and competition goes on between the three, though probably not as much between Cass and Talon as between the sisters and the dagger assassins. I would also assume the general had a valet or officer who assisted him left behind to keep the three in line and remind them they always have other enemies and targets outside their house and not to weaken it with too much infighting.

Mandalorian 1171 votes

The idea came to me after reading a few fanfictions (don't judge me). I see several different ways they handle the family and a few of them seem kinda awesome.

Ebonmaw Dragon2 votes

Considering this image from the old lore, it seems that at least Talon and Katarina are in good terms and work togeter. Sure, Talon is "adopted" but he respects his "adoptive father" and is looking for him, so, he and Kat have a common goal: Find the General Du Couteau.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/a/a1/KatarinaAndTalon.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120523052550

The real "wildcard" here is Cassiopeia... because we have never seen her interact with Katarina, Talon or his father in the lore as far as i remember. I think that it was mentioned that after what happened in Shurima, she stayed there, so, its possible that Talon and Katarina think that she died there.

Mandalorian 1171 votes

I like that picture. I would like to think kat and talon might be friendly with one another. Cass really is a wild card since her greed has changed her life and is gunna change Shurima.

Whyte Lyon1 votes

So many questions, you must understand we're all in the dark as much as you are.

How about patience for the oncoming Noxus LU?

Mandalorian 1171 votes

See, I havn't been keeping up with lore recently, so I wanted to know if anything has been answered or if there are at least theories.

redniwediS1 votes

Well a better place for quicker answers would be to check the Universe site (assuming you're aware of it). Because if that has no information to give and neither do the profiles of those champs have any extend stories to read, then yeah there's no lore for canon lore Du Couteau family.

However Swain's relaunch is right around the corner and with that is guaranteed massive lore updates for either most, if not all Noxian champions.

Whyte Lyon1 votes

Well a better place for quicker answers would be to check the Universe site (assuming you're aware of it). Because if that has no information to give and neither do the profiles of those champs have any extend stories to read, then yeah there is no canon lore Du Couteau family yet. However Swain's relaunch is right around the corner and there's guaranteed massive lore updates for either most, if not all Noxian champions.

Mandalorian 1171 votes

Are you aware that the this exact comment was said by another guy? Word for word? I’m confused. Anyway, I am aware of the universe, but it just seems like people look into it deeper than I do and see things I don’t see. Plus I’m looking for possible theories as well as straight up answeres. That was the purpose here, discussion.

Whyte Lyon1 votes

Plus I’m looking for possible theories as well as straight up answers. That was the purpose here, discussion

Good luck with that, the best theories come when there is a foundation of information to build up a plausible conclusion. In the specific case of the Du Couteau family their dated lore was still incredibly vague when it was canon. Not receiving any followup lore over the years before the retcon didn't help either. Honestly I could say the mysteries of the Couteau family could be explained by "aliens" and it would be equally plausible as many other theories.

I look forward to seeing what exciting things come from the Noxus update because even before the retcon it was horrendously under-developed content.

Also Cassiopeia isn't still in Shurima like Ebonmaw says, the girl has gone home. I think she's going to telling Swain all about the resurrection of the greatest Empire in history.

Digielf1 votes

Is Talon even part of their family? Is he Katarina's brother for real? Because that's something really big lore-wise

Grimm Howl2 votes

Last I knew in the now non-canon lore... Talon was like an adopted son of Kat and Cass's father, and he was trained to be an assassin just like Kat.

Mandalorian 1171 votes

I’m pretty sure that part of the non cannon lore is still there, they might just add on to it, or add other twists to it.

Mandalorian 1171 votes

Talon isn't related, but the General did train him himself and Talon worked closely with him. He's not adopted (I don't think) but he's an important part of the General's life.

Blaiz Fenix1 votes

Here's what we know from the little lore we have on the champs.

  • Cassiopeia is the youngest and most beautiful of the daughters of General Du Couteau
  • Katarina is the eldest daughter of General Du Couteau
  • Talon was adopted by the notorious Du Couteau family, although he may not specifically be that close with the general or his children.
  • Katarina admits that Talon is among the deadliest assassins in Noxus along with her and her father.

From this, we can really only bet on two things even once the lore is updated; Talon was adopted by the Du Couteau family and that they are all assassins. After that the water gets murky and mainly because he they are all hunky-dory between the people in Noxus, Riot we have no stories to tell.

I would assume in future story updates, Talon with have turmoil within the aristocracy as he is technically not even Du Couteau. If Riot really stretches it, Talon may be a child of another nation like Demacia that would fuel their dislike of him even more. Cassiopeia, based on her stories, I feel would not like Talon simply because he is not a part of the family and that seems par for the course with her character. Katarina on the other hand, I feel would see Talon as goal to overcome as he is much better as being strictly as an assassin who follows orders to a tee.

In future updates for Katarina, we can expect her to be struggling to live up to her father's name and expect her scar to stay central to her character. She and Cassiopeia I would expect to be hostile toward each other, but mostly out of fear as though both have unknown potential.

That's what I think at least.

Mandalorian 1171 votes

That’s a really good assessment. However I disagree with Cassiopeia being the most beautiful (Katarina man, Katarina).

Blaiz Fenix1 votes

Sadly, official lore says she is the most beautiful. They hate on Kat.

Ebonmaw Dragon1 votes

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Sadly, official lore says she is the most beautiful. They hate on Kat.

Im sure that the lore is talking about her before being turned into a snake.

Mandalorian 1171 votes

Kinda funny since Kat is arguably the face of the game. She has so much official posters and cover art, yet her sister is considered the more beautiful one.

Blaiz Fenix1 votes

I mean Cassiopeia may be more beautiful looking, considering she's filling that gorgon archetype, but there's loads of factors to make someone appealing as character so that's probably why.

Mandalorian 1171 votes

I meant to comment on this, but I accidentally commented to ebonmaw dragon. If you want to know what I said, look under his comment.

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