Quinn Rework

Kiyo Crescent·Nov 11, 2015·3 votes·1,815 views

Conceptually you messed up my favorite champion Riot. You made my 2300 games and 3 skins a waste. She is a reasonable champion now, however, she is not the champion that I came to know and love. Your only response was "too bad". Listen to your community about this, or you will lose at least one person that loves this game, and above all, loves Quinn. Do not comment on this thread unless you have a minimum of 100 games on her. Do not change her Riot, unless you have 100 games on her. The LEAD person changing her, does not have a SINGLE game on her on the live servers since may. No, that is nowhere near reasonable. Make a new champion. Make a different champion to fit your idea for a taxi driving around the person, but don't make Quinn and Valor into that taxi. Conceptually horrid.

21 Comments

frigginmurlocsNov 11, 20153 votes

As someone who spent time on the PBE boards, people were hostile to change at first, but even the most stalwart quinn mains accepted this change as buffs and a better defining her playstyle,it may not be the playstyle you personally enjoy, but it is a valid option

Kiyo CrescentNov 11, 20152 votes

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As someone who spent time on the PBE boards, people were hostile to change at first, but even the most stalwart quinn mains accepted this change as buffs and a better defining her playstyle,it may not be the playstyle you personally enjoy, but it is a valid option

It is a buff, and it does define a playstyle. The playstyle is the most opposite of Quinn's that is possible with her kit. Look up ANY of the alternate idea's for Quinn reworks on the boards, and I would probably go with it. The fact that the lead designer hasn't even played Quinn is my biggest annoyance. (other then the rework not being anywhere near Quinn.) Thank you for a reasonable response though. I appreciate it. I disagree; but you put forth a valid argument.

lightdragoon88Nov 11, 20153 votes

You still whining about this?

How about playing 100 games with new Quinn before doing things like this?

Kiyo CrescentNov 12, 20151 votes

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lightdragoon88Nov 12, 20152 votes

The design of new ult, both conceptual and viable, are better than the old ult.

Kiyo CrescentNov 12, 20151 votes

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The design of new ult, both conceptual and viable, are better than the old ult.

Once again I state, no games on the live server since May of last year at minimum, you have no knowledge of the subject.

lightdragoon88Nov 12, 20152 votes

Oh so I don't play rank games with Quinn so that means I nothing?

That a poor argument and you know it. We both start fresh with New Quinn.

Kiyo CrescentNov 12, 20151 votes

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Oh so I don't play rank games with Quinn so that means I nothing?

That a poor argument and you know it. We both start fresh with New Quinn.

Apparently you still don't understand the difference between conceptual and viable, or the entire point of this thread.

Yes you know nothing. You haven't played Quinn (at all btw, not just ranked) so you have no idea the difference of play-style, and the massive difference they made in her kit. It would be fine on a new champion, but not on the champion that Quinn was.

lightdragoon88Nov 13, 20152 votes

I have played 5 games with new Quinn since the patch came through.

But anyway looks like your Blind is back..kind of.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfB02o6rMAc

It blinds again, but they can still attack if they get within a certain radius. And it still marks enemies as Vulnerable which I am glad they kept.

RalanrNov 13, 20151 votes

That's cool.

Kiyo CrescentNov 14, 20151 votes

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I have played 5 games with new Quinn since the patch came through.

This is the exact reason that I'm saying you have no say as to whether or not they messed up. You have no previous knowledge of how the champion felt.

lightdragoon88Nov 14, 20151 votes

Dear god your reading skills is as bad as your argument.

You said I have never played Quinn. I said that I have played new Quinn a few times already.

I may not have 2000 Quinn games, but I have played both. My thoughts are just as important to Riot as you opinion is.

Kiyo CrescentNov 14, 20151 votes

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Dear god your reading skills is as bad as your argument.

You said I have never played Quinn. I said that I have played new Quinn a few times already.

I may not have 2000 Quinn games, but I have played both. My thoughts are just as important to Riot as you opinion is.

Your attempt to insult only gives more proof you have no actually points remaining. You have played Quinn, but not the old Quinn within the past 9 months. I am just saying that you have no idea what you are talking about and you have no grounds for an argument. Your entire argument consists of "I know I never actually gave a damn about her until the rework, but since she was reworked I know just as much about her (story, conceptually, gameplay) as the guy who played 2,000 games on her."

MAST4ERCHEFNov 11, 20153 votes

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Conceptually you messed up my favorite champion Riot. You made my 2300 games and 3 skins a waste. She is a reasonable champion now, however, she is not the champion that I came to know and love. Your only response was "too bad". Listen to your community about this, or you will lose at least one person that loves this game, and above all, loves Quinn. Do not comment on this thread unless you have a minimum of 100 games on her. Do not change her Riot, unless you have 100 games on her. The LEAD person changing her, does not have a SINGLE game on her on the live servers since may. No, that is nowhere near reasonable. Make a new champion. Make a different champion to fit your idea for a taxi driving around the person, but don't make Quinn and Valor into that taxi. Conceptually horrid.

I feel your feels man...

MAST4ERCHEFNov 11, 20153 votes

This change would have been acceptable if she was a champ that nobody played, however riot took away the defining elements of this champs abilities that people fell in love with. Its like taking vayne and going, well how about instead of bonus damage after tumble, vayne just does nothing...OR even better, how about after vayne ults, instead of going invisible after tumble, she just does nothing and her ult takes 1 second to cast. BRILLIANT. Now lets tailor the rest of her for being an effective mid. Perfect! Now lets brainwash an outspoken 15% of the league community into being excited about changes that make Quinn nonviable bot and mediocre elsewhere. QUICK PATCH. Phew, nobody noticed. Oh wait yes they did.

DragunnitumNov 11, 20151 votes

i really like the new quinn, but i agree she got nerfed a biiit to much, at least make her ult mana cost ult 80 or 90... 100 is too much and give her a biiit more damage in ut OR passive and she'll be good to go as for Ashe, i have no idea... i think we won't be seeing her for a while now xD

lightdragoon88Nov 11, 20152 votes

It 100 at rank 1, 50 at rank 2, and once you max her ult the mana cost is 0.

RalanrNov 12, 20151 votes

Um...Why are you posting here?

Kiyo CrescentNov 12, 20151 votes

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Um...Why are you posting here?

conceptual design; story.

RalanrNov 12, 20151 votes

You complain about conceptual design, but demand that only people who have played 100 games with her are allowed to post?

You sir are the only person I have ever wanted to downvote more than once. Please get the hell out of the story forum or get the gameplay attitude out of your post.

The story has been separate from the game in a long time. Save your alienating mindset for the Gameplay forum where it belongs.

Kiyo CrescentNov 14, 20151 votes

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You complain about conceptual design, but demand that only people who have played 100 games with her are allowed to post?

You sir are the only person I have ever wanted to downvote more than once. Please get the hell out of the story forum or get the gameplay attitude out of your post.

The story has been separate from the game in a long time. Save your alienating mindset for the Gameplay forum where it belongs.

If you haven't played at least 100 games on her, you have no idea how the champion felt. The entire Quinn mindset and story was based around her being the scout in enemy territory meant for small skirmishes with just herself and Valor. Now Quinn is a weak skirmisher, a weak scout. The "mount" time takes so long that she isn't a valuable scout and information gatherer.

"The Demacian army had never seen heroes like Quinn and Valor. Their deadly skills quickly set them apart from their rank-and-file peers, but many still had their doubts. How could a common-born girl, even with such a powerful creature at her side, forego years of military training? Quinn and Valor proved themselves on one critical mission, tracking down a Noxian assassin who had evaded an entire Demacian battalion. When they brought him to justice, they finally earned the admiration and respect of their nation. The two now serve as living, fighting icons of Demacian strength and perseverance. Together, Quinn and Valor will stand against any threat to their beloved home." (Quinn story)

Deadly skills. Now she is focused on roaming. Not taking on assassins such as Talon. Make it to where valor has some sort of grab ability on enemy champions for an ult, but not a taxi.