Petition to Revert the Retcon!

Impetual··10 votes·937 views

Simply put, I think that the old lore direction was better than what we have now.

There was much more interaction between factions and every champion seemed to fit within the same world.

I would be really excited to see Riot pick up the old lore again and continue to developing it.

There were so many questions left unanswered, and some cool political directions to explore!

16 Comments

GreenLore6 votes

The thing is that this wouldn't really solve that much.

I mean the slow pace of the lore releases isn't because riot has problems with filling the gap thats left behind by the IoW,its because they simply became much slower,which is partly because they put more thought into the lore(in the early days making the background of a champ a "mystery" without much thought about it was ok) and reboot certain individual champs.

Bringing back the IoW won't speed up the lore releases and will in fact probably slow it down even more(because then they'd have to rethink some stuff they prepared for). They would also have to create viable reasons for certain champs to join the league.I mean can you explain to me how RekSai could join the league of legends,without getting captured or summoned against her will?(Because those would pretty much ruin future stories for her,if she's captured,she can't interact with anyone and if she gets summoned against her will,that means the league can do it with anyone which is extremely op)

Not to mention that retcons are probably gonna happen even if they keep IoW(the freljord event retconned a lot even though the league was still a thing at that time)

Nybx4life2 votes

If I remember right, Brand's lore is that: Fight in the League or die. So it's not far off to say that Rek'sai couldn't be given the same treatment.

However, there's guys like Xerath and Cho'Gath who let it slide, although they can break those bonds very easily and wreak havok all over.
It's possible to make it work, and even have different champs enter under similar conditions (it's not like every superhero has a completely unique origin story when looked at from a generalized point of view). Just diversify them AFTER they join.

GreenLore3 votes

You completely ignored my point. Brand is a prisoner of the league. there is literally nothing he can do outside of it because of that.The league doesn't let him out and only allow(or rather force) him to fight in the league.There is a reason why the only lore we got about him(aside from his regular lore) was an interview with him.Because he can't do anything all day than sitting in his prison cell and do nothing. And that is pretty restricting in terms of writing.

Sure they could capture rek'sai,but that would completely ruin any possibility of rek'sai having any kind of role outside of the league ever again.She wouldn't be more important than the red buff monster or blue minion number 39.

Ok cho'gath actually toyed with the summoners,but if he ever broke free,then there'd be no point for him to be still in the game.

Not to mention that Rek'sai is an animal.She doesn't understand you if you talk with her.If the summoner tells her "fight in the league or die",she wouldn't understand him.It's like you are trying to make a lion join a circus by talking to him,it wouldn't work. Only if you captured and trained the lion for years,he would do what you want.

Nybx4life1 votes

^I get what you're saying. But I also believe that with the current lore, you can damn well make anybody and anything a champion and have it have no cohesion with the rest of the world, in any way shape or form. (And yes, I know I'm ignoring your post, but I am referring to what you posted earlier) That's why you can have champs like Rek'Sai and Bard pop up and have you question what the hell's their purpose in the lore. Their short blurbs and pretty animations do little to flesh them out, and unless there's updates specifically for lore development of champions, I doubt they'll get any better.

Could they have developed similar champions like Brand to have a greater personality outside of the League? Sure. But I feel that all their "care" currently has helped neither Brand nor Rek'sai.

Also, with other guys like Cho'Gath bent on destruction, what's holding them back now? Before it was the League of Legends, now it's...what?

GreenLore1 votes

Thats assuming that these champs are introduced and never mentioned again. The thing is though,that they usually do have some plans regarding these champs. Rek'sai for example is known to have existed already during the time when renekton(and most likely nasus too) was human,so these 2 are linked,which can be seen in her lore section,they'll most likely plan to give us more information about this in the future. Overall there are multiple stories that could involve rek'sai,I mean skarner being retconned into guarding something that lies underground in shurima pretty close to the release of a tunneling undergrouhnd monster that happens to live in surima too sounds like these 2 are going to clash at some point.Then there is Azir who is trying to unite shurima again,who is most likely seeing rek'sai as something that has to be eliminated.

The lore release is slow,but that doesn't mean that they don't plan stuff beforehand.

And while the league doesn't exist anymore,the city states and champs still exist. So if any of those formerly imprisoned champs is going on a rampage,he'll probably end up like brand did(but if he's unlucky they won't bother with imprisonment). Sure Cho'gath is powerful,but not unbeatable,he won't be able to bring down demacia or any other city state on his own.

Nybx4life2 votes

The best I can do, is take your word for it and hope something comes out that's respectable again. I feel it hasn't been there, and because of that, what's currently out feels hollow. It's got potential, but it's doing that potential justice right now.

So...should we hold off on this discussion until Riot updates the lore?

Sneak Dog2 votes

And while the league doesn't exist anymore,the city states and champs still exist.

I miss Trundle.

Tesla Effect1 votes

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I miss Trundle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee925OTFBCA

NorthernDruid4 votes

The old lore was everything I've been wanting from a video game story the last 4-5+ years.

The retconned lore has no direction and no coherent setting.

I'm really just waiting for when they're gonna do it.

If I keep believing enough a miracle will happen right?

And then I can stop being in so much mental agony over this entire ordeal.

Captain Jaguar3 votes

You can always get into Dark Souls Lore. That shit is deeper then a BP oil well.

Jeddy0172 votes

Um,from what I hear,it sounds like the lore wasn't thriving before the retcon.Very little content was being released & very little communication was happening.Apparently it has been that way since season 2.So retconing the retcon won't solve all the LOL lore problems.

Nybx4life2 votes

A personal mantra of mine regarding creative concepts is that regardless of what the concept is, if it's developed properly, it'll work.

The old lore would've worked, had Riot not given up on it. The new lore could work, if Riot makes it something worth talking about.

Because they're committed to this change, I'm fine with it being as it is. However, I'm not fine with how they're handling things now.

Tesla Effect2 votes

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Do you really think this petition, from you I need to add (one that insulted Rioters non stop for I dont know how long by now), is gonna do something? You have a better chance at getting in Challenger than convince riot to revert the lore to pre-retcon. Thats not how companies act, they wont just fall on their knees just cause you made a petition about something this unimportant. And yes, reverting the retcon is not the most important thing in the world, maybe you need to learn than and stop posting threads about it each week. For goodness sake man, do you have anything better to do with your life than to complain about some games lore?

KING OF MASKS1 votes

The problem isn't necessarily the fact that the Institute and the League and summoners are all gone, the problem is really with narrative itself. If tomorrow they suddenly announced that the retcon was a mistake and that everything would be returning to normal, do you seriously think everything would instantly and miraculously make a turn for the better?

No. Because we'd still be stuck with the same fucking hacks feeding us the same goddamn lines and stringing us along for months at a time, reminding us not to talk about specific story ideas because of copyright issues and saying with perfect seriousness that borrowing ideas from other sources is nauseating while ignoring the fact that the entire fucking game itself is based on borrowed ideas...

Ahem. Sorry, every time I head to Story & Art I get a little furious. But my point is that the retcon isn't the issue, and the only possible reason I would prefer the old lore is because it wasn't a void.

NorthernDruid2 votes

I prefer the old lore because it's all I've wanted from a video game story for the last 5-ish years.

And that it's half of what drew me into the game (the other half being character design).

And reverting the retcon would fix the setting lacking a strong unique and unifying element. Which they haven't been able to give us any detail on in the last 7 months.

Giving us back the stuff we were actually interested in, would give us a coherent setting back. Because currently Runeterra isn't a setting because it got blown up by the next runewar that happened when those Nexuses in Kalamanda were discovered.

"Technical difficulties" is no excuse for not giving us the low down on the base setting.

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