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@Riot, Pool Your Resources, Take A Month, And Finally FIx Lore!

Impetual··38 votes·1,473 views

Lore has been left in a god-awful state that doesn't make sense for far too long!

You guys continually ignore constructive criticism and never actually work on fixing the problem with lore!

Lore fans have waited years... and most of us are still waiting! (except for the players that have reasonably decided that you were never going top actually deliver good lore again based on your track record.)

@Riot, give us some good, high quality lore! I'm trying to be constructive and somewhat professional, but it's seriously hard considering how badly you guys have destroyed and completely annihilated the lore of Ruenterra (which had charm, serious stuff, and political intrigue) with the garbage that is post retcon Runeterra!

I want to try to be constructive here, but there isn't really anything to be constructive about. This lore retcon only brought negatives, and it's pretty hard to find the benefits of it.

@Riot, It's time to fix lore. While I personally like the old lore, I will understand if decide to go with the new lore direction.

My point here is that you should pick a lore direction, and then actually follow through with it 100%!!!

Riot, the state of lore has been up in the air for months. Tell us how it is so that we can adjust, don't just leave it a mystery!

It's past time that lore made sense again! Seriously, this retcon still hasn't yielded any positive results!!

10 Comments

TheRainInSpain13 votes

I think it would be best if a group of players made their own "Official" lore, and refer every other player in League to that whenever they want to read lore. No more complaining, and Rito loses potential income from the player traffic going elsewhere. What are the Reds going to do? Ban people for doing something Rito didn't do in the first place? All that will do is draw MORE attention to the Real Lore.

Murphys Lawyer7 votes

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I think it would be best if a group of players made their own "Official" lore, and refer every other player in League to that whenever they want to read lore. No more complaining, and Rito loses potential income from the player traffic going elsewhere. What are the Reds going to do? Ban people for doing something Rito didn't do in the first place? All that will do is draw MORE attention to the Real Lore.

I like the way you think. I say we grab all that is good from the old and build it into the new, expand on all that Riot has tried to cut down upon, and SCREW the retcon at this point. Seriously, there's got to be more creative writers on this board alone (and you can count me in!) than in the whole of Riot at this point, and I'm tired of waiting on them. Hell, I say we start with some more Judgements, get back to the core of where the old lore shined brightest, and show people why these champions we so dearly love and enjoy playing have joined the great forum of combat that is the League of Legends; let's demonstrate what it means to be Summoners by actually taking control of the story we're supposed to be so intricately connected to in the first place!

NorthernDruid1 votes

I'd love some more judgements, really, really love it.

Narasimha10 votes

You do have Cupcaketrap and his Factions. Thats the closest I think we'll get. Still, it doesn't solve the major problem. Riot will never put money into Narrative until a large number of people become interested in it. And people just aren't interested in Lore. We're the minority by far. People's interest in lore extended only to what they really see in game, with skins and VOs. If a new video comes out, they watch, might be interested for a little while, and then they'll go on their way. We can't expect Riot to invest in something unless we first show its worth investing in.

Helmight3 votes

It has nothing to do with money and everything to do with the Narrative department figuring out what they want to do with the lore. The mere fact that we have a Narrative department means that Riot is actually paying people to write the lore, so that's not an issue. The problem is the Narrative department getting their rear in gear and actually delivering content. Jaredan said something to the tune of the department feverishly working on things behind the scenes, which to me sounds like a cop-out but it may be accurate. I'd hold off on judgment, especially since we HAVE been seeing lore-related content coming out with just about every champion release nowadays.

I will agree with you that lore junkies like us are the minority, but everyone gets invested in the lore at least a little bit. It creates a richer gameplay experience overall and is one of the things that keeps people playing the game. You don't become the most-played game in the world without creating characters that people get attached to.

Presumably Jaredan and Narrative will eventually figure out the entirety of Runeterra's story and start delivering stuff to us.

CupcakeTrap4 votes

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You do have Cupcaketrap and his Factions. Thats the closest I think we'll get.

Aw, thanks. I do really want to get a Factions Wiki going. For a long time, the League Wiki has been the main source of lore information, but a lot of stuff is being deleted or stuck in a corner because of the Great Retcon. As a strictly "canon" wiki, they're also sort of in a corner: all they have to rely on is old JoJ issues, and they can't really connect any of the dots themselves. In contrast, while Factions has always striven to remain true to League's fundamental lore, the whole idea is to build upon that foundation with new stories set in a cohesive universe. Similarly, a lot of the canon lore is really quite vague and open-ended; to tell further stories, we at Factions often have to look at three or four perfectly valid possible interpretations of an event, setting, or character, and make a call as to which one we're using. So, whereas the League Wiki adheres very strictly to what's been officially published in clear terms, often just copying and pasting from official sources, Factions lore involves filling in some gaps. For instance, who are the landwalkers who made the moonstones? It seems pretty clear this was a reference to the Lunari, but there's no official lore actually saying that. We included the Marai (and Nami's quest for a moonstone) as part of the Nyroth storyline, and that required us to make a call. (We went with confirming the general community assumption that the Lunari made the moonstones, and that their production stopped because the Lunari were wiped out.)

In short, while obviously the main purpose of the Factions Wiki will be to keep track of Factions lore, I think that our modus operandi (using official canon as the foundation, but building upon it with community lore and community analysis) will also make it well suited to becoming a sort of "shadow lore" continuity: a League of Legends lore that contains a League of Legends.

If and when we do get that wiki going, I would definitely want to start incorporating other elements of community lore. We wouldn't be aiming for total completeness: it's important for us to not define away any Schrodinger-esque ambiguities until we need to, in order to allow us to remain flexible and adapt to new Riot lore. (For instance, we didn't come out and say "the Lunari made the moonstones" until the storyline came to a point where we had to make that call. By refraining from unnecessarily resolving ambiguities, we provided more time for the community to talk about the issue, and retained some flexibility: if Narrative came in and rewrote Nami's lore to say that the moonstones were made by Noxians, we wouldn't end up having to retcon anything.) But even for areas that are still in that state of quantum indeterminacy, we could at least list the most popular community theories, and sponsor discussion of those options in preparation for when we do need to make a call.

By the way: if anyone in this thread wants to be part of the Factions lore initiative, you're welcome to throw your name in the hat. We're looking for more authors and lore experts to join the cause. There is plenty of work to be done!

Tesla Effect1 votes

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I think it would be best if a group of players made their own "Official" lore, and refer every other player in League to that whenever they want to read lore. No more complaining, and Rito loses potential income from the player traffic going elsewhere. What are the Reds going to do? Ban people for doing something Rito didn't do in the first place? All that will do is draw MORE attention to the Real Lore.

Hopefully it will follow Riots decision of no more League. Fans are way faster at fixing anything than the developers.

Silents4292 votes

I'm not big on the lore, I know basic stuff, but isn't it easier to just read the old lore for now?

Seriously they can retcon it all they want but that doesn't mean the old lore just doesn't exist anymore, it is still a good read for you fans, sure they are doing a pisspoor job right now, but you guys really should just calm down about it and enjoy the lore already setup.

EverTokki2 votes

But retconning it means everything they'd made in the past is nullified. OFC I read the old lores almost every day going around choosing random champions. And then I look at the current lore and facepalm.

Silents4292 votes

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But retconning it means everything they'd made in the past is nullified. OFC I read the old lores almost every day going around choosing random champions. And then I look at the current lore and facepalm.

Not reconning means they just **said ** it was nullified, the stories you all read and enjoyed still exist and won't go anywhere, so just enjoy and expand those while you wait, new lore might just have a rocky start, and if people don't like it fan lore exists for a reason.

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