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Rek'Sai is the first speechless champion.

Vore Monster··6 votes·4,155 views

Thank you Riot, for finally creating a true monster. Something that doesn't need words and can bring true fear to enemies with chittering taunts. I can't wait to sit in a bush and press "T" (Taunt hotkey) when an enemy comes too close.

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RiotEambo12 votes

Technically Sona is also speechless :3

Sukishoo2 votes

speechless to the people around her yes, not to the one playing her ;)

RiotEambo3 votes

speechless to the people around her yes, not to the one playing her ;)

She doesn't "speak" to you though, it's telepathy :-P

Sukishoo2 votes

It's still a form of speech.

RiotEambo3 votes

It's still a form of speech.

Not to be entirely pedantic, but the definition of speech:

the expression of or the ability to express thoughts and feelings by articulate sounds.

Sona doesn't use articulate sounds to communicate, she puts the thoughts directly in your mind.

The lore even directly references this:

Her caretakers were sure she would find a home quickly, but it soon became apparent that what they mistook for uncommon geniality was actually an inability to speak or to produce any sound whatsoever.

Sukishoo1 votes

She's still speaking though, in one form or another. We can hear and understand it. Which also goes along the lines that Rek'sai does in fact speak just not in something that we understand or take as a language.

Cause if they weren't speaking at all, then like you said there'd be no sound at all. So they still technically use a form of speech, just not a standard form.

RiotEambo3 votes

She's still speaking though, in one form or another. We can hear and understand it. Which also goes along the lines that Rek'sai does in fact speak just not in something that we understand or take as a language.

Cause if they weren't speaking at all, then like you said there'd be no sound at all. So they still technically use a form of speech, just not a standard form.

Well if you have a thought to yourself, is that a sound? That's the same method Sona uses - she implants a thought into your mind. I personally definitely wouldn't define that as speech, speech is vocalisation, which is what Sona is incapable of doing.

Sukishoo1 votes

still hear it in our "minds"

Jamnon1 votes

No ears in our minds.

Sukishoo1 votes

Can still understand it, so there's some kind of hearing going on there or else you wouldn't be able to pick up what she's saying.

Cause she clearly says "Only you can HEAR me summoner" so, in order to hear, that again comes with sound.

Jamnon1 votes

Can't understand growling because growling isn't speaking.

A voice actor recorded spoken lines for Sona (IE outloud), which is what we hear when playing Sona.

Sukishoo1 votes

A voice actor recorded for Rek'sai...Growling is a form of speech. Dogs, Cat, Tigers, Wolves, ect do that, we may not understand them but it is a form of speech. It's just not a language we speak

Jamnon1 votes

Growling is not a form of speech.

Growling is communication.

Sukishoo1 votes

speech is communication; growling is speech, communication is growling. they are all the same just different words.

ciao

Jamnon1 votes

Not all communication is words. Not all communication is speech. growling uses no words and hence, no speech.

All this ignores the fact that void monsters arent real and thus cant be "communicating" anything with their noises.

Thus we come full circle.

Vore Monster2 votes

If a Sona falls in the jungle and nobody is around to hear it, does she make a sound?

Jigglypuff1 votes

If a Sona falls in the jungle and nobody is around to hear it, does she make a sound?

Gonna steal this one for later.

CalciferHowel7 votes

Rammus Okay.

RiotUtora3 votes

Yeah! I love using that taunt after a successful gank bot. Then ulting immediately to top lane to do it again. You're so welcome Yazkin! We really enjoyed making this "True Beast" and hope players will enjoy experiencing her. Having Rek'Sai now allows us to explore and rethink what a champion is and how they can express their personalities.

Tourian1 votes

Yeah! I love using that taunt after a successful gank bot. Then ulting immediately to top lane to do it again. You're so welcome Yazkin! We really enjoyed making this "True Beast" and hope players will enjoy experiencing her. Having Rek'Sai now allows us to explore and rethink what a champion is and how they can express their personalities.

My problem with this is that she's the first female Voidborn champ and there's no real defining female characteristics. Obviously there shouldnt be in the visual appearance but just calling it a her in the lore seems like you saw people wanted a female void champ and just said lets call the one we're making next a girl even though it was originally planned as a guy/genderless.

Hyrum Graff2 votes

My problem with this is Riot listened to the community and changed their plans.

What I see when I read that.

Tourian1 votes

My problem with this is Riot listened to the community and changed their plans.

What I see when I read that.

You've completely missed the point of what I was saying unfortunately because of your shortsighted attempt to assert some sort of aggressive little show of dominance. Listening is not slapping "she" on a male character. Listening would be taking that character and giving it some meaningful and defining female characteristics. Hell, Kog and Cho are both just as primitive and even they have VO lines that are distinct to gender. But I wouldn't expect someone who takes a measured, carefully thought out personal concern and turns it into a one-liner to know about listening.

Hyrum Graff1 votes

But I wouldn't expect someone who takes a measured, carefully thought out personal concern and turns it into a one-liner to know about listening.

I turned it into a one-liner, but that doesn't mean I didn't think my response through or that I'm wrong, ipso facto. I actually wrote out a more measured response at first, then deleted it in favor of this because I think it got my point across better. My intent wasn't to dismiss your thoughts, so I apologize if it came across like that.

Listening is not slapping "she" on a male character.

I think the important piece here is that Rek'Sai doesn't have those defining female characteristics. That, just because you don't look like a typical female, doesn't mean you aren't one.

On the other hand, if Rek'Sai is basically a gender-neutral character, is there any harm in making her female? If nothing else, it seems to have made the community happy.

Listening would be taking that character and giving it some meaningful and defining female characteristics. Hell, Kog and Cho are both just as primitive and even they have VO lines that are distinct to gender.

I think one of the core things about Rek'Sai is that her VO consists entirely of Bestial sounds. What kind of female characteristics would you like to see Rek'Sai have?

Tourian2 votes

But I wouldn't expect someone who takes a measured, carefully thought out personal concern and turns it into a one-liner to know about listening.

I turned it into a one-liner, but that doesn't mean I didn't think my response through or that I'm wrong, ipso facto. I actually wrote out a more measured response at first, then deleted it in favor of this because I think it got my point across better. My intent wasn't to dismiss your thoughts, so I apologize if it came across like that.

Listening is not slapping "she" on a male character.

I think the important piece here is that Rek'Sai doesn't have those defining female characteristics. That, just because you don't look like a typical female, doesn't mean you aren't one.

On the other hand, if Rek'Sai is basically a gender-neutral character, is there any harm in making her female? If nothing else, it seems to have made the community happy.

Listening would be taking that character and giving it some meaningful and defining female characteristics. Hell, Kog and Cho are both just as primitive and even they have VO lines that are distinct to gender.

I think one of the core things about Rek'Sai is that her VO consists entirely of Bestial sounds. What kind of female characteristics would you like to see Rek'Sai have?

I don't have a problem with her looking gender neutral, obviously I don't want a monster to have enormous cleavage. That's not what I'm saying. But female VO would have been very do able. Like I said, every other voidborn can speak to some degree that indicates gender, and the fact that the first female cant is very disappointing to me. I would have preferred they kept it male if they're just going to change he to she in the lore. Even like her guarding an eggsack for her recall or having tiny baby's skitter out of her burrow for her recall. SOMETHING. Even a larger abdomen which is typical of females in the insect kingdom. For me this might as well be taking Jinx and replacing she/her in her lore with he/him.

Kingsgrave1 votes

{quoted} My problem with this is that she's the first female Voidborn champ and there's no real defining female characteristics. Obviously there shouldnt be in the visual appearance but just calling it a her in the lore seems like you saw people wanted a female void champ and just said lets call the one we're making next a girl even though it was originally planned as a guy/genderless.

She is a female. Thats defining enough. Why does she need a particular voice or appearance to be seen as a female to you? Grow up.

Tourian1 votes

{quoted} She is a female. Thats defining enough. Why does she need a particular voice or appearance to be seen as a female to you? Grow up. Because there's literally nothing female about this champion. But I'm sure you believe everything everyone tells you because that makes it make sense.

Kingsgrave1 votes

{quoted} Because there's literally nothing female about this champion. But I'm sure you believe everything everyone tells you because that makes it make sense.

I didnt know you were an expert on Insect gender. Last time I checked bugs didnt have human female voices or boobs.

Tourian1 votes

{quoted} I didnt know you were an expert on Insect gender. Last time I checked bugs didnt have human female voices or boobs.

It's actually kinda funny you mention that as a smartass comment. I keep tarantulas so it actually in my best interest to know how to determine gender. And didn't I JUST mention that I obviously don't breasts on it? And didn't I just make the point that cho'gath, kog'maw, and kha'zix all have relatively human male voices for being insect related? That attention span though...Please keep going with you clever retorts of "no u".

Kingsgrave1 votes

{quoted} It's actually kinda funny you mention that as a smartass comment. I keep tarantulas so it actually in my best interest to know how to determine gender. And didn't I JUST mention that I obviously don't breasts on it? And didn't I just make the point that cho'gath, kog'maw, and kha'zix all have relatively human male voices for being insect related? That attention span though...Please keep going with you clever retorts of "no u".

Not every Void species has the ability to speak our language. How is that so hard to understand?

poopoo peepee1 votes

You could kinda count Gnar. He doesn't really speak English, or whatever language. It's ancient... Yordlish(?)

Vore Monster1 votes

But it's an attempt to speak with everyone around him. Rek'Sai doesn't seem to care about communicating fully to the people around her. The calls she does only seems to signal an attack or location of an enemy for an attack. Like a primal predator.

Ashwini71 votes

AWESOME!Ahri item 3083

killd0zer1 votes

People are mixing "speech" and "communication"

Most animals, even primal ones, are capable of communicating to each other.

But when we talk about speech, it's usually consistent words and phrases, instead of purely intonation, such as an aggressive grunt.

Gnar doesn't speak english, but does speak a dead language with words that have consistent meaning.

Tourian1 votes

You keep circling around the point that there's absolutely nothing female about this "female". A lot of people I've played with have even referred to her as a he and when I correct them they've even said "I'm still calling it a he, there's nothing female about it". And for this being the first female void born, it kind of matters. As for you, I dont know what your problem is you really just came out of no where in a combative manner bashing legitimate concerns of mine. I dont know if this is because you think I'm bashing the champ, I'm not. I love it, its unique, fun to play and looks cool as well as having pretty nifty voice over. However, its simply disappointing that something that was a big deal to some of us for quite a while was a simple gender change that only went as far as the word he/she. I've tried having a discussion here but it's clear that you're just one of those people who will blindly defend something because "thats the way it was made thats the way it should be". Anyway, I'm done trying to reason with a stump, my bad.

Vore Monster1 votes

I don't know if you are referring to me, because I haven't had a conversation with you, nor does my original post use the term "She" or "He."

Tourian1 votes

{quoted} I don't know if you are referring to me, because I haven't had a conversation with you, nor does my original post use the term "She" or "He."

No sir, I simply was stating personal concerns that related to your topic when two people decided to turn it into an argument they couldn't back up.

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