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[CCOS] September Results are Here!

ModEchoing··13 votes·2,112 views

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Congratulations to everyone! The September CCOS results are here!

...with a bit of a caveat.

I've been following this contest for about eight months now. When ArmaMalum was calling it quits, he sent out an email to prior judges asking if they were interested in being the new host. I tossed my hat in the ring, but the hosting position went to BigBenClockTower. This wouldn't really be a problem, but those of you who have kept up will have no doubt noticed the tardiness in the last two months and his total absence this month after posting the contest.

This is honestly unacceptable. As such, I'm the host now. I'm not going to let the contest die because someone can't be bothered to keep to their own timeline.

First, the judges. If you emailed BigBen to judge this month, sorry - his total lack of contact means I wouldn't even have the foggiest clue what's going on there. However, we still have two this month:

Echoing. Pretend to be surprised. Raxistaicho. Actually be surprised! When I was planning this, I got in touch with Raxi and asked him to drop out to help judge. This was super considerate of him and not at all required - give this guy a hand.

With that done, the winner of the September CCOS is...

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**Aldron, the Snow Wraith, by gemini333, with a total of 185/200 points! ** Congratulations! Maybe the bad future can be averted after all!

Coming in second place (and deep down we're just as wounded), Lenore, the Dreamweaver, by Vorazun, with a total of 184/200 points!

In third place, making a surprise hit from Vorazun's referral, Alto, the High Flyer, by Shigure, with a total of 175/200 points!

In fourth place, bouncing back from the horrors of literally being 10 champions at once, NOVA, the Stargazer, by Candurill, with a total of 154/200 points!

And in fifth place, still rocking to the beat of his own drum, Ludwig, the Bearer of the Strings, by iKratosKlayton, with a total of 142/200 points!

Since this is something of a coup, I don't quite have access to the CCOS archive. I'll try to get that worked out in the meantime, however - don't fret if you didn't make the top 5!

You can access my grading sheet here, and you can access Raxi's grading sheet here. When you're done recoiling in the horror that is me being beaten at my own game of harsh criticism and scoring (holy shit, Raxi), you can go ahead and ask questions - we'll both be watching this thread.

And now I begin the scary part of getting the October CCOS ready without having any resources or nice boilerplate posts or anything. Hoo boy. I'm all for having more help in judging - if you're interested, shoot me an email at "[email protected]" with your summoner name. If you're still good for another contest, great! Just make sure your concept is posted either in September or October, and you are good to go.

I'll open up the entry thread October 3rd. Keep an eye out, and keep creating. As a spoiler: I'm going back to the scoresheets ArmaMalum used while he was running the contests, consisting of Lore, Flow/Fun, Design Implementation, Novelty, Cohesiveness, and the return of the Good Neighbor Bonus. The scoresheets used for this contest are horrifically inflexible, too general, and don't even have a nice rubric.

I wish you the best of luck.

-Echoing

46 Comments

Skylarke1 votes

Echoing, your grading sheet doesn't work :|

ModEchoing1 votes

After what felt like an eternity, I fixed it with help from my friends.

Protip: The forums do not like repeated % signs.

Raxistaicho1 votes

Hey everyone, I'm here. Sorry for flaying some all of you :'D

Shigure1 votes

As expected my big downfall was the lore department. First time writing some so im pretty happy with how it went anyway :).

Raxistaicho1 votes

Writing's harder than most people think until they try XD Experience helps a lot with it :)

THE RlVER KlNG1 votes

Question, I'm new to this process, even though I've posted an indepth champion concept before. One has to submit an entry on the entry thread, or simply say that they want in on the competition and the judges will find your entry?

Raxistaicho1 votes

You make your own thread for your champion concept either the month of the contest or the month before, and you post a link to that thread on the entry thread :)

THE RlVER KlNG1 votes

Could I submit an older concept?

Raxistaicho1 votes

How old are we talking?

THE RlVER KlNG1 votes

Click the hyperlink.

Skylarke1 votes

Kinda tired of second place...all the technicalities x.x

Raxistaicho1 votes

Sorry ): Maybe next time?

Skylarke1 votes

Could you give me your thoughts on my newest one?

Sierra, the Skybreaker

Raxistaicho1 votes

Sure, I'll look it over sometime soon :)

gemini3331 votes

Whoa, didn't expect the top spot. Idk what to say 0_0

Raxistaicho2 votes

Congratulations :D

Shigure1 votes

So this is more a question for next months comp. I'm working on 2 concepts that relate and reference each other heavily (think Renekton/Nasus, Rengar/Kha'Zix etc) especially in their lore which is basically their individual roles in a certain event. I'll have to post both around the same time for them to make sense but is this sort of thing fine and would i be able to enter them in 2 seperate comps?

ModEchoing1 votes

Post them in October and you'd be set for October and November. Totally acceptable then.

Shigure1 votes

{quoted}

Post them in October and you'd be set for October and November. Totally acceptable then.

Sweet that makes things easy then

Ýones1 votes

5th place, I'm cool with that!

Ýones1 votes

Uhh, raxi I think you made a mistake. The concept indeed had numbers, they were just at the bottom of the post.

Raxistaicho1 votes

Oh dangit. Sorry about that. In the future please post the numbers closer to the rest of the kit, I wasn't expecting to see them wedged into the very bottom of the post ):

FloRaider421 votes

Welp, I was wondering why BigBen never replied to my mails. Does anyone know if something major happened to him or did he just forget ?

ModEchoing2 votes

I have no idea what happened to him either. He's had a laundry list of excuses before, first a camping trip, then his gmail accounts being hacked. I fired off an email as well, and even emailed ArmaMalum. No replies from either of them.

It could be possible he just forgot. I'm sure he'll show up in a later thread being all "wtf I was just out for a few days" and then I'll reply "the hell you were, you missed over two weeks and left the contest to rot" and never let go of the contest.

FloRaider421 votes

Didn't think he was the type to make excuses and just forget his responsibilities. Thank you very much for taking over, it's nice to see that someone cares enough about the CCOS to keep it going.

Candurill1 votes

Ah crap I'm getting a bad reputation now x.x "It's a Candurill champion, so I know to expect some crazy shit here." XD Seriously?

No but I agree with most of the points you and Rax mention. I'm actually rather surprised that NOVA came into the top 5 at all XD I already posted the concept im entering for next month. The thing with my concepts is that I want to try new things and test the limits of the game. The next concept wont be as crazy as NOVA though XD

On the matter of the contest ownership, I really respect you for jumping in the ring when bigben vanished (I do really hope nothing serious happened to him and this is just general tardiness....) I believe that we could have no better host then you, since you have been very consistent with you involvement the past 8 months. You give strikt feedback (I would like it if you'd stop beating my concepts to pulp with it, but then again, getting a good comment/grade from you would mean so much more then if someone was positive all the time).

Anyway, good luck with everything and may Sham'as light guide you ;D

ModEchoing2 votes

I do admire that you're crazy enough to try absolutely new stuff with no regard to what's considered proper. That's incidentally how they got CertainlyT - dude had no experience with video games, but got grabbed for champ design. And while I'm sure EVERYONE hates at least one of his champions (DARIUS), fact of the matter is that he got in stuff that wasn't even considered before (Thresh).

Just keep trying and learning from your prior champions. Best advice I can give - keep it simple. If you take more than two, maybe three sentences to describe what your ability does without fluff or numbers, you screwed up.

Also I'm not even the meanest judge now. Let THAT one sink in.

Raxistaicho1 votes

Also I'm not even the meanest judge now. Let THAT one sink in.

8D

Candurill1 votes

{quoted}

I do admire that you're crazy enough to try absolutely new stuff with no regard to what's considered proper. That's incidentally how they got CertainlyT - dude had no experience with video games, but got grabbed for champ design. And while I'm sure EVERYONE hates at least one of his champions (DARIUS), fact of the matter is that he got in stuff that wasn't even considered before (Thresh).

Just keep trying and learning from your prior champions. Best advice I can give - keep it simple. If you take more than two, maybe three sentences to describe what your ability does without fluff or numbers, you screwed up.

Also I'm not even the meanest judge now. Let THAT one sink in.

Hmmmm....I can do that...

Passive: Enemies and allies build stacks by attacking each other that influence Elena's abilities. Allies with stacks can be targeted and healed in an aa like manner. Q: Damages in a straight line. Does more damage and nearsights enemies with stacks. W: Buffs allies that have stacks with attack speed and movement speed/burn damage towards enemies with stacks. E: Reveals everyone in an area and deals damage to revealed enemies. Gives enemies stacks. R: Allows revival of allies with max stacks (Passive). Deals lots of damage in a big cone to enemies with stacks and possibly stuns them (Active).

Well that works...This simple enough? :)

And don't get me wrong, I really appreciate what you are doing. How are you not the "meanest" judge though?

Are you going to change anything in the contest? I'd like to see a theme contest maybe like once every few months....though thats really hard to do I guess....We shall see ^^

ModEchoing1 votes

That does indeed sound simple, so that's a good sign.

I'm changing the scoring back to Arma's old scoring. I'm not changing anything else though - I think the overall quantity and quality of submissions would drop if I tried a themed contest. It's not that it's hard, it's that it's restrictive in a contest that wasn't designed around being restrictive.

Skylarke1 votes

{quoted}

I do admire that you're crazy enough to try absolutely new stuff with no regard to what's considered proper. That's incidentally how they got CertainlyT - dude had no experience with video games, but got grabbed for champ design. And while I'm sure EVERYONE hates at least one of his champions (DARIUS), fact of the matter is that he got in stuff that wasn't even considered before (Thresh).

I was just curious, but what do you think about Vorazun's style of design?

ModEchoing1 votes

I don't know, Vorazun, what do you think about Vorazun's design?

You find cool themes and try to do them justice, which is cool. You're really good at putting together a kit that works with itself, and you have a decent understanding of what makes a champion tick. Your main flaw is that you shove way too many things into your kits and that your idea of a power budget seems to be pretty loose, so while your champions work, they work too well in their intended role while also being mechanically overcomplicated. Lenore was a pretty significant improvement in this trend in that she only had four abilities, none of which upgraded, but she still had signs of being overloaded (THE DAMN W, the attack speed steal on E). It's still a pleasure to read through each of your champions, and I'm always rooting for you and trying my damnedest to find an excuse to justify you winning.

FlameHalbrdOkido1 votes

um so this was cool, i guess it was a good learning experience

ModEchoing1 votes

My sympathies. Try the October contest - I intend to start advertising and getting in a much larger pool of people.

Best advice: keep your champions simple. You can't go wrong with simple. You should be able to describe what everything does in two, maybe three sentences. For instance, Thresh:

Passive: Dead enemies leave souls behind that increase AP and Armor. Q: Throws out a hook that stuns and pulls the first target hit. Can reactivate to pull self to target. W: Throws out a lantern that shields Thresh and one ally while sucking in souls. An ally can click the lantern to pull themselves to Thresh. E: Passively winds up autoattacks to deal bonus damage based on soul count and total AD. When activated, pushes a line in front and behind of Thresh toward the cast direction. R: Creates a box of damage fields around Thresh that damage and slow the first champion to touch a wall. Other walls have half slow and no damage afterwards.

Thresh has a bunch of stuff on his kit. I was able to describe it all in two sentences. Whether you like him or not, Thresh made support fun for a bunch of people, so his kit works.

I'll keep an eye out for you in October.

FlameHalbrdOkido1 votes

{quoted}

My sympathies. Try the October contest - I intend to start advertising and getting in a much larger pool of people.

Best advice: keep your champions simple. You can't go wrong with simple. You should be able to describe what everything does in two, maybe three sentences. For instance, Thresh:

Passive: Dead enemies leave souls behind that increase AP and Armor. Q: Throws out a hook that stuns and pulls the first target hit. Can reactivate to pull self to target. W: Throws out a lantern that shields Thresh and one ally while sucking in souls. An ally can click the lantern to pull themselves to Thresh. E: Passively winds up autoattacks to deal bonus damage based on soul count and total AD. When activated, pushes a line in front and behind of Thresh toward the cast direction. R: Creates a box of damage fields around Thresh that damage and slow the first champion to touch a wall. Other walls have half slow and no damage afterwards.

Thresh has a bunch of stuff on his kit. I was able to describe it all in two sentences. Whether you like him or not, Thresh made support fun for a bunch of people, so his kit works.

I'll keep an eye out for you in October.

u kno ur actuallu quite right about that simplicity thing, it makes a lot of since. Not being simple tends to be challenge for me, but every now and then i can do it.

Claymore Saint1 votes

I wana enter the next one.... this could be fun and my champ might get a chance to stay afloat.

ModEchoing1 votes

Great! Just have your entry ready now or in October and sign up when it hits.

And be open to others' critiques. That one's important - you won't believe how many people's concepts got torpedo'd for reasons that someone else pointed out first but went unaddressed.

Shadowkirby141 votes

How did I deserve a perfect 25 score on Effort and yet earned barely ANYTHING on the rest? I've really tried and worked really hard on it only to see it torn to shreds.

I swear, it makes the critiques on my first champion concept look more praised than this one.

Candurill1 votes

{quoted}

After reading the judges critiques, I've never felt so attacked. How did I deserve a perfect 25 score on Effort and yet earned barely ANYTHING on the rest? I've really tried and worked really hard on it only to see it torn to shreds.

I swear, it makes the critiques on my first champion concept look more praised than this one.

Thats how the feedback works with Echoing...Its harsh yes...but it also means that you really have to try your best to get up there :) I know how you feel, I apparently made a lasting impression on him with my concepts ( a bad impression i might add). But that does not stop me :) In fact it makes me want to try harder and make a concept thats true to my style AND gets his approval ^^

ModEchoing1 votes

Not a bad impression. You are nowhere near He Who Must Not Be Named, Creator of Pazuzu Anzu.

Also don't forget Raxistaicho, who hit even harder than me, geez.

Candurill1 votes

{quoted}

Ahw damn...that was my goal...to be just like him....

No that was a joke ofcourse XD

And did he really? I didn't actually look at the numbers...the text is what I find most interesting and useful :)

I do not agree with the effort category being bullshit...I see it more as a "put actual work in the post itself" kind of category...People can make very nice, coherent and balanced concepts but do an absolute shit job at making their post readable and aesthetically pleasing... Maybe change it to "Post Lay-out" or something of that ilk.

ModEchoing1 votes

Because effort, regrettably, doesn't equal quality.

No matter how much effort you put into your champion, an unoriginal/broken kit and a lore that takes other characters out of character is going to sink your score.

Also, the effort category is bullshit anyways, which is why I'm removing it next month.

In any case, best advice I can give for future champions:

-Don't take other champions out of character. They're more than just a person with a nationality. If your champion's put out of a home because of Jinx's explosions and seeks revenge on the Piltover police for not catching her, that's fine, as no one's acting out of character. If your champion is best buddies with Ryze, that's NOT fine - Ryze's lore makes a huge point of being separate from anyone else and putting this burden on his shoulders only, and his story even has him killing someone he knew when he came for the world rune. -Avoid copying another champion's mechanics in part or whole. Cecilia's entire kit was pieced together from Syndra, Amumu, Corki, and Riven. Either you obsolete them by doing it better, or end up inferior with a patchwork kit that doesn't really sync. -Don't take criticism as personal attacks. Worst thing you can do. I'm harsh partly because I can't restrain myself that well, partly because I have an earnest desire to see everyone improve, and I've seen people give out schmaltzy feel-good "critiques" that completely overlook a champion's glaring errors in favor of feels. I'm tearing into your champion so your next one comes out twice as good.

Forhonor3211 votes

So just wondering can we bring up older concepts to the contest? Like if we posted a concept a while back but made another post/reposted it in time for the contest, either improved or staying the same, can that still be entered? Also I can already suppose that only one concept can be entered per contest, like you can't enter the same concept twice in a row?

ModEchoing1 votes

If you've already entered the concept in the CCOS before, re-entering it shouldn't be permitted. I don't have an easy way to confirm repeat entries, but I am a persistent bastard that will stalk through your posted discussions to find your threads if I suspect it.

If you haven't entered the concept before, so long as its most recent revision is posted in September or October, it's good for October's contest.

Forhonor3211 votes

Ok. I haven't actual entered before I was just curious. Also while I have your attention do you think you could give me some critique on a concept of mine. I've been trying to get it to work for almost a year now I think. And from my previous versions it's definitely better but as of now I'm just doubting myself about it getting to work at all. So any thoughts on it just about the kit or even the background/personality would be a huge help, cause right now I really don't know if I'm heading in the right direction with this: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/hQ91YUGz-champion-concept-ulric-the-reaver

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