New Sion and Old Sion

Cheeks Brown·Nov 26, 2014·2 votes·2,231 views

I would like to know if it's at all a possibility to make the Old Sion kit available to play again, as like an option on the Sion champion, even if it's not allowed in ranked or some game types. The new rework has some fun mechanics to it, but that being said, I find myself missing the champion he once was. Whether you like the old version or new version more is not the point, but rather I would just like to be able to go down memory lane every now and then, even if it's not meta, and do the best I can with a completely outdated champion and kit, because to me that's what was fun in that character. Please let me know if it's at all possible to make Old Sion an option (maybe like a skin that looks like his old one on the mew model that has his old move set), and if not why. Debates are welcome as to why this is a bad or good idea.

14 Comments

DriftThruTheRiftNov 26, 20141 votes

no that's just a bad idea lol sorry to knock you're idea

Cheeks BrownNov 26, 20141 votes

I don't mind, I'd just like to know you reasoning.

KrizalidNov 26, 20141 votes

It won't be possible, but I admire your idea and I loved old Sion as well.

Cheeks BrownNov 26, 20141 votes

Thanks! Why wouldn't it be possible, if you don't mind me asking?

TheKingDodoNov 26, 20141 votes

Consistency. People go lane against sion expecting to see delayed q, slowing e, and super run sion, instead they get targeted stun, and super life steal w/o item sion. That's not fair for your opponents. also that's too much work. If they do it for sion, they do it for other champs too. and soon everyone will have the option to choose their champion's kit and that's too much confusion.

KrizalidNov 26, 20141 votes

I think that most of these files are already replaced and there won't be space for an old mechanics. Besides, I can hardly imagine a casual version (can we call him like that? I know it's not true as old Sion had more variants rather than brutely tank Sion we have right now) living as a skin, which could only affect the visuals, but not the mechanics. I'm not sure that game's engine and libraries would actually allow something like that. But I do hope that I'm wrong.

FlubbyDGNov 26, 20141 votes

The problem is, it's not just the Scion player that Riot was thinking about for the change, it was the people playing against him. Scion had practically no counter play at all. He just press shield, point-and-click-stun, press shield again to pop. Repeat. There is nowhere in there, with normal spells and laning strategies, to counter that via gameplay.

Cheeks BrownNov 26, 20141 votes

The counter play was anyone with good range, skill shot stuns which reach farther than his point and click to keep him at a distance, or anyone tanky with magic resist could just run in and not care about it. Siver for one could just ignore the stun all together, and Cleanse could get rid or it. There was a definite strategy for keeping his abilities out of range, just like with any character with point and click abilities ( Zilean Vladimir Veigar Teemo Nunu Fiddlesticks ), and I hope the point and click ability isn't a thing that's leaving LOL all together.

SukishooNov 26, 20141 votes

Pretty sure it's not possible to make the old kit playable with a different skin active. They can do skins that have different voices and effects but the kits work off of animations and settings that the models are built on.

soulchaosNov 27, 20141 votes

I agree but if they did not do it for karma they wont for sion

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/KRnbcQ53-urgot-update-ideas

LuciferosDec 23, 20141 votes

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I agree but if they did not do it for karma they wont for sion

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/KRnbcQ53-urgot-update-ideas

The difference is that new Karma is, well...good.

Cheeks BrownDec 31, 20141 votes

Agreed, but still if people wanted to play old Karma why not let them? Especially if Riot can make money off selling the old kit.

Cheeks BrownDec 10, 20141 votes

Mainly I just want to be able to play with the old kit for fun. It's not like Riot has completely lost the files for the old kit and old voice acting. I know I'm not in the majority here, but they could make quite a bit of money by selling the model and kit at like an ult skin price. It could be in the skin select for Sion, but in actuality it's a completely different character, but then Riot wouldn't have two Sion's on their champion roster. It seems like a triple win to me: Fans of the old kit get to play it once more; since the other kit is doing better as far as pick rate is concerned, new Sion will continued to be played, old Sion would be still be rarely seen except probably in normals, so Riot need not worry to even bother with tweaking him anymore; Riot could potentially make a lot of money on re-releasing a model, kit, and voice acting that they already have. (in fact they could do this with the other champs they've reworked completely, and make tons of profit for very little effort)

Reaper ReviewDec 10, 20141 votes

If they were ever to bring back something resembling Sion's old kit, it would be on a new champion.

"Minimal counterplay" was only one reason he was so heavily reworked. His mechanics were very archaic, his abilities were all point-and-click or just a wall of numbers, and building him as an AP nuke runs completely contrary to what Sion is supposed to be.

When you have a champion who's touted as being an "unstoppable juggernaut with a giant axe" and the most efficient way to build him is as a wizard, you know something needs to be looked at.