(Champion Concept) Sanoger, the Mask of Spite

ModEchoing··15 votes·1,564 views

Special thanks to someone very obvious.

Appearance: SPY.

Lore: Icathia was not always a desolate wreck. Long before the Void destroyed it, Icathia was a booming center of civil discourse, government, and innovation. As a daily ritual, the population would gather in large congregations to hear the ideas and creations of others, expressing their thoughts and showing evidence of their work.

The approach was unfortunately flawed. After their presentation, the presenter's work would then be open to criticism from the rest of the congregation. The results varied wildly - some were lauded as grand masterpieces, others were condemned as unviable trash, and still others received mixed praise. But one man took this far more deeply than anyone thought possible.

Tired of presenting idea after idea only for it to be torn apart ruthlessly, he began to disregard any help refining his idea. In his mind, it was the same group of people influencing everyone else. How dare they mock his perfection? For a time, he withdrew from the public eye. No one was aware of his whereabouts. They were aware, however, of the scathing remarks several other people made concerning otherwise popular ideas.

The few citizens that were able to piece together the connection named those people Sanoger - meaning "spiteful". In a futile attempt, they tried to warn other citizens to disregard those remarks, but it was too late. Sanoger had successfully woven their way into the public opinion. Soon every presentation was met with nothing more than bitterness and disdain. Icathia's long-standing tradition crumbled. When the Void destroyed Icathia, only did a few of its citizens realized that one man's work could have saved them.

Yet Sanoger remained. Nothing more than hollow people underneath the control of the scorned man, he took the name of Sanoger for himself - the only good idea they ever came up with, in his eyes. Sanoger left the ruins of Icathia, his means of survival and the source of his newfound powers shrouded in mystery. The rumor around Shurima is to be wary of unpleasable people - Sanoger could be anywhere. What he truly means to do - find and ingratiate himself to Azir - could spell doom for Shurima just as it did to Icathia.

Stats:

Health: 561 (+85) Health Regen: 8.1 (+0.65) Mana: 300 (+45) Mana Regen: 8.1 (+0.75) Attack Damage: 58.4 (+3.1) Attack Speed: 0.694 (+3.1%) Armor: 20 (+4) Magic Resistance: 32.1 (+1.25) Range: 125

Abilities:

Passive: Masked Guise - When out of sight, can select an enemy champion. You appear on the enemy's minimap and screen as that champion, mirroring their current health and mana and any buffs they may have acquired. You are NOT immune to enemy attacks. Pink wards and turrets detect you and overlay your real form on top of your disguise. The disguise is broken when attacking an enemy champion, turret, or large monster, dealing 150% (+1% per 2% crit chance) damage.

Q: Gouge the Eyes - The next autoattack does bonus damage and removes all vision from the target, gradually decaying over the duration. Against monsters and minions, disables their ability to attack for 2 seconds.

Total Physical Damage: 20/55/90/125/160 (+1.2 total AD) Nearsight Duration: 1.25/1.4/1.65/1.8/1.95 seconds Mana Cost: 40 mana Cooldown: 9/8.5/8/7.5/7 seconds

W: Alternate Identity - Stealth yourself while an exact clone of yourself attack-moves in a target direction. The clone deals full damage and has all of your passive effects and buffs, but dies after three hits from a champion or when you break stealth, fading into smoke.

Stealth Duration: 3/3.5/4/4.5/5 seconds Mana Cost: 80/85/90/95/100 mana Cooldown: 18/17/16/15/14 seconds

E: Public Shame - Hurls a knife that strikes the first target it hits, dealing damage and slowing. If it hits from behind, stuns instead. Does not break disguise.

Physical Damage: 50/90/140/190/240 (+0.9 bonus AD) Slow: 30%/35%/40%/45%/50% Slow/Stun Duration: 1.5 seconds Range: 800 Mana Cost: 50/55/60/65/70 mana Cooldown: 11/10.5/10/9.5/9 seconds

R: Sanoger's Vexation - Marks a large area. Sanoger, if within 400 units of this area, can autoattack anyone in this area, instantly teleporting behind them and dealing bonus damage.

Bonus Physical Damage: 25/40/65 (+0.1 bonus AD) Cooldown Between Teleportbackstabs: 1 second Area Duration: 5/6.5/8 seconds Area Radius: 350 Range: 800 Mana Cost: 150 mana Cooldown: 100/90/80 seconds


Q&A:

Q: What? A: Sanoger is an assassin that fills the spy niche that LeBlanc fails to do so. He revolves around clever use of manipulating what an enemy sees to maximize his damage output and minimize the damage he takes.

Q: I don't get who you're thanking? A: Then play more video games until you start reading things backwards on instinct.

Q: Wouldn't disguises be bad in high-level play? No one uses the Spy's disguise in professional TF2 play. A: That's why breaking the disguise does bonus damage. Even if you can't trick your opponents, you can still get bonus damage.

Q: Isn't he totally broken as a jungler? A: Haven't you learned to use pink wards, especially when there's a stealth champion in the game? His gap closer relies on him not being seen - if you see him at all, he's totally worthless without ulting, and you'd still have enough time to clear the area even after he ults.

Q: Isn't his disguise too perfect? A: He's not generating vision for the enemy, so no.

Q: How do I stop him? A: Pink wards and health+armor. He's very upfront about his burst, so once you survive that, you're in the clear as long as you don't show your back to him. If he gets tossed out of the fight without his ult, it'll take him awhile to come back, so that helps too. If he does ult, either clear the area or ult that area instead with your best teamfight ult - Amumu and Zyra are really good at making him suffer for it.

Q: That W clone seems really powerful? A: If you attack slowly, yeah, but even if you're not Jayce or a pro ADC, mindless autoattacking should make you think something's up. Also, pink wards.

Q: No, I meant its damage? Like, it's better than Shaco's clone? A: Necessary to maintain the disguise. Since the stealth lasts for a fairly short amount of time and kills the clone, your damage output never exceeds what you could do when unstealthed.

Q: You didn't answer my question? A: Ask below! I'm open to everything.

35 Comments

Lonely Flame2 votes

Honestly, I actually kind of like this idea quite a bit. I've had very similar ideas for a concept of my own (mine was a Freljord mage based off an Ijiraq) but I feel the ult is a bit lacking, especially considering the inspiration.

How about instead something like: For the next X seconds, all allies within X range take on the appearance of Sanoger to the enemy team. Each ally on your team will have an enemy marked for them. Dealing damage to this enemy will break the disguise, but do increased damage.

ModEchoing2 votes

Glad you like it.

That's entirely possible, and probably fits the thematic better while also providing an interesting level of support for an assassin. However, without his ult, good warding pretty much shuts Sanoger down, and there's a lot of power shoved into the basics, so I can't really fit in a gap-closer there without having to compromise on something. It also doesn't really have a lot of potential on Sanoger's end for cool plays - you're totally reliant on your team, and also you're grouping with your team instead of playing mind games and stalking isolated enemies, as compared to well-timed backstabs dodging everything. Cool idea though, just that it would probably fit better on a support-type.

Lonely Flame1 votes

Hmm fair point. What about if there were no allies around it created several clones? The mind games of "Which do I run from? Which do I attack?" Or perhaps it just filled in the blanks. Like if 2 allies are around, they both get changed and 2 clones are made, but if no allies are around you get 4 clones?

Also, consider changing the display pic? It is after all only showing up because of the link. Edit your comment and change the link. Maybe that can see some improvements. For the record you're currently have 6 upvotes but 11 downvotes.

ModEchoing1 votes

Removed the pic. Let's see what happens then. EDIT: It's no use, it's too late for this thread.

Still runs into the issue of properly thematic, yet not exactly the best fit for gameplay. Also, provides even less of a chance for counterplay - unless you can drop a pink ward right then and there, it's a guaranteed escape and/or a guaranteed kill, since you could drop your W and add your fifth copy to the mix, meaning there's five Sanogers and none of them are the right choice, and he's already killed your ADC. It also obscures your team to the enemy, which really isn't that fun when you thought you were pulling Jhin, but instead grabbed Amumu. That iteration relies far less on your individual skill as a player, and more on your enemies forgetting or being bad, and while the kit's already set up for pubstomping, the way it's currently set up still allows expression of high skill independent of the enemy's own skill.

Again, really neat idea thematically speaking, but it's the gameplay implications that make it dangerous to use. The guy can remove vision and create a perfect copy of himself while stealthing while also masquerading as your jungler. He doesn't need to be even more frustrating.

Lonely Flame1 votes

Oh right. Gotta be honest I completely forgot about the W haha.

But the whole purpose of it is to obscure your team from the enemy. Vision of enemy champions is an incredibly powerful thing. To engage in a team fights and suddenly not know who is the ADC can create massive windows for plays.

But I do see where you're coming from. In retrospect it doesn't seem to fit in as well on your character as it did on mine. Still, good discussion.

Vorazun2 votes

Subtlety, thy name is not Echoing.

ModEchoing1 votes

Hey now, at least I take the time to give my "joke" champions a competent lore and unique gameplay. That's better than what most people would do.

ModEchoing1 votes

That is an impressive number of downvotes.

I think my only failure there is the picture, since now I can't tell the angry downvotes from the downvotes from people who don't want to see TF2.

Crazymage1231 votes

I think the reason the down-votes are on here is because the spy picture and the stealth mechanic. Stealth as a mechanic isn't really the best because the only real thing you can do to counter it is buy a pink ward or use red trinket and riot is also not fond of the stealth mechanic as they have said they don't openly and the last stealth champion they released was Kha'zix which came out in 2012. Its a cool idea though.

ModEchoing1 votes

Might be the picture. Doubt it's the stealth though. Riot doesn't hate tactical stealth such as Kha'zix, Twitch, Shaco, etc., they don't like strategic stealth like old Twitch and Evelynn where you could hide for up to 50 seconds and basically run around and reveal whatever.

Thank you though.

regonas1 votes

Oh, the sweet sweet number.

Lonely Flame2 votes

Why should he care about your alt accounts downvotes?

regonas1 votes

Too bad i can only generate 1 upvote/downvote. I wish i could make 10 of them, just like you.

Lonely Flame4 votes

Nah I'm pretty sure you're the one with 10. Cause lets be real here, if I did have 10 (and I don't but lets say I do) do you think this thread would be at -5? Or any of my threads would be negative? This thread has 6 upvotes and 11 downvotes. Seems pretty clear you're the one with the alts here.

regonas1 votes

Oh, i have just a perfect comment waiting here:

[{quoted}](name=Lonely Flame,realm=OCE,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=dnHYi0dB,comment-id=0019000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-06-04T14:39:21.815+0000)

They really do. You were being antagonistic. People don't tolerate it. They downvoted you.

This is why my every comment is downvotes, while your is upvoted. Your self-upvotes, when used on your threads, don't amount to much, because people don't tolerate haters, so they downvote your posts. However, not like haters, people don't track every comment, so here you can freely show how many upvotes you can generate on yourself and downvotes on me. Pretty pathetic on your part, when you complain about scores of threads, when even with upvoting yourself +10 times, you still cry about getting negative score.

And about this thread, why you don't give your mate more upvotes. I am pretty sure you are mates or one the same person. Why only 5 upvotes, when you can give him at least 5 more? Don't be stingy.

Lonely Flame4 votes

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Oh, i have just a perfect comment waiting here:

This is why my every comment is downvotes, while your is upvoted. Your self-upvotes, when used on your threads, don't amount to much, because people don't tolerate haters, so they downvote your posts. However, not like haters, people don't track every comment, so here you can freely show how many upvotes you can generate on yourself and downvotes on me. Pretty pathetic on your part, when you complain about scores of threads, when even with upvoting yourself +10 times, you still cry about getting negative score.

And about this thread, why you don't give your mate more upvotes. I am pretty sure you are mates or one the same person. Why only 5 upvotes, when you can give him at least 5 more? Don't be stingy.

So you admit you have 10 alts. He was being antagonistic towards you and you downvoted him. Doesn't it feel better to get that off your chest?

But you are a hater. You're the biggest hater on this forum. You upvote all of your own comments and downvote anyone who disagrees with you. If I have 10 alt accounts and my score on these comments show 1 point, then logically you must have downvoted me with your 10 alt accounts.

And the reason is because I only have one account unlike you. I've told you this thread has 6 upvotes and 11 downvotes. Want to see for yourself?. So when you go to my thread like this one and you see that any comment I make and any that support my idea all have -6 and only +2 (one from my posting it and 1 from the other person no doubt), then I can only conclude that you used your alt account of "Zemaxs" to downvote my 1 account.

Truth is finally coming out. It's ok. You're still entertaining as hell haha.

regonas1 votes

Oh just look how much i hate, according to you, myself and downvote myself, while i also upvote everyone else. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/Z3y6AE0Z-ccos-may-entries-here-also-some-important-news?comment=0020 http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/dnHYi0dB-champion-concept-zone-the-opportunist-work-in-progress?comment=001900000000000000000000

Yes, i see now. I actually downvote myself and upvote everything you comment. That is the only logical explanation. But is it? Maybe, just maybe, you downvote me, while upvote yourself :O Shocking, isn't it?

Didn't even saw you posted a champion, but i am glad to return you a favor. Here, fixed your score a bit. This is as much as i can do. Oh i believe you, having +10 alts in your hands must be entertaining as hell.

Lonely Flame1 votes

And look how much I love myself with my 10 alt accounts right? I mean, it's not like in the first thread you were making a pointless insult, and then as the conversation kept going other people got less and less interested. You're right it was my 10 ult accounts and I only voted your first comment and not the rest. I can see how that makes sense to you. And the second thread is literally you trying to cause an argument again and people understanding that.

Yes, I see now. You actually do have 10 alt accounts of your own and everytime I downvote you you use one of yours to upvote yourself :O Shocking, isn't it?

No worries man! The comment I made in the thread at the time pretty much speaks for itself on that matter

[{quoted}](name=Lonely Flame,realm=OCE,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=67BbZKyA,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2016-04-23T13:48:59.118+0000) Anyway, while I can't stop you from doing it I would appreciate it if you didn't downvote other peoples comments. Given that all of my comments and others suddenly have 2 downvotes. You can downvote the champion I don't care. I just don't see the need to be mean to the other people in the thread. Cheers!

No, just you. Seriously, the stuff you say and the conspiracies you have are hysterical. But anyway I feel bad for derailing this thread so I'm gonna stop now. This has been fun. Can't wait until your next meltdown.

regonas1 votes

Here, i will fix it for you.

[{quoted}](name=Lonely Flame,realm=OCE,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=ppmmy4oj,comment-id=00030000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-06-08T07:40:37.164+0000)

And look how much I love myself with my 10 alt accounts. I mean, it's not like in the first thread you were pointing out a downvoter, who started downvoting after mentioning him (that is me, because that is my alt, but you are not supposed to know that), and then as the conversation kept going, my alts were so offended, so i downvoted some more. You're right, it was my 10 ult accounts and I only downvoted you. I can see how that makes sense. And the second thread, i am stalking you, i know when and where you comment, so i could downvote your comments immediately.

No worries man! Some random comment I made in some random thread at random time pretty much speaks for itself on that matter, when i don't have enough alts to downvote soemone

No, just you. Seriously, the stuff you say and the truth are hysterical, because you can't do anything about my downvote waves. But anyway, I feel bad for derailing this thread, so I'm gonna stop now. This has been fun, because downvoting is the only pleasure in life i enjoy. Can't wait until your next thread, which i will be downvoting religiously.

Here, now it looks like the actually behavior of yours. And with more commas.

Lonely Flame1 votes

Bahahahaha. Top stuff. Keep hating and keep chasing those upvotes.

regonas1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lonely Flame,realm=OCE,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=ppmmy4oj,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-06-08T08:53:25.406+0000)

Keep hating

But that is your job.

Lonely Flame1 votes

Sweet comeback. A true wordsmith you are.

regonas1 votes

Keep doing your job.

ModEchoing1 votes

I'm glad you liked my concept so much, you wanted to have an argument in my thread and bump it up so much. I'm honored.

regonas2 votes

To be fair, your champion isn't bad. Your behavior, on the other hand, is much worse than your champion concept.

ModEchoing1 votes

Huh, thanks for the praise. You'll have to elaborate on the behavior thing though.

ModEchoing1 votes

Nitpicking here, but I'm pretty sure Zemaxs is unrelated to regonas. Just going off his champion concept from when he entered in the CCOS, the quality there was far worse than regonas' usual efforts.

You're also totally letting him get to you. Relax a bit.

Lonely Flame1 votes

(That's the joke. Just like you and me are supposedly the same people, Rego and Zemax are the "same" person. And he really hasn't gotten to me in the slightest. My mates and I refer to him as the guy who "sh*ts gold" because the stuff he says and does is entertaining as hell)

ModEchoing1 votes

Actually, it went up from -6.

zlumpy1 votes

No more assassins pls

ModEchoing1 votes

That would leave out a large variety of good thematics and gameplay hooks. They might be frustrating at times, but they ARE fun to play if you're good at them, and they do excel at killing that stupid ADC your bot lane fed.

Vorazun1 votes

Assassins are inherently flawed. You either get binary click delete people like Alkali and Talon or you get them overloaded with wtf many features like Zed or pre 4.3 Kha. 100-0 is never a healthy gameplay feature.

ModEchoing1 votes

We'll agree to disagree. I don't think Riot's figured out how to make healthy assassins or rework their current assassins into healthier kits, but I still think there's a place for them in the game.

King Maruilla1 votes

Well, it's quite the strange mix I'll tell you that.

Everything works fine here...but there's a problem. Regarding me being a good Spy player, but even his disguises aren't perfect. If Sanoger can't produce sight for his enemies, they'll wise up stupidly fast. Perhaps maybe we could do this?

Passive: An Eternal Reward (When you kill an enemy champion from behind, you will gain a Guise of the killed Champion.)

  • Guise When Guised as a enemy champion, you produce field sight for both ally and enemy champions and enemy minions will not attack you. However, your true form will overlay when around pink wards and turret range. The Guise will break once Sanoger either gets attacked 5 times or attack an unit. Should the Guise be broken by being attacked, Sanoger will take 25% more damage from all sources for 3 seconds. Meanwhile, breaking the Guise via attacking will inflict 25% extra damage, and will auto-crit when attacking from behind.

What do you think?

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