Rework Draven Passive

bobby6478·Jan 12, 2015·2 votes·1,325 views

I think it's pretty safe to say that Draven has the worst passive out of any champion. Though it can be argued, at the end of the day by the time you're at full build you'd be lucky to thank your passive for 1.5k of that gold. Then the passive is absolutely useless in every way shape and form unless you want to sell items or buy elixers, both of which you can do without the passive. I understand he is a very strong champion, but at the end of the day most adc's can solo him now because that passive just gives nothing. I was thinking that alongside the gold bonus, for every kill the passive could give maybe like 5 AD + 1 AD for every stack consumed. Or 1% crit damage + 1% crit damage for every 25 stacks consumed. If you consumed 24 stacks you get nothing, so there is a way to very powerfully limit him but also give him a slight edge that helps even a little. This can work with any stat but I feel like it should be considered because his passive is so bad right now

12 Comments

Aquaman711Jan 12, 20152 votes

But... Draven's passive right now is a picture of his face. Ergo, it's perfect. You can't change perfection.

HoffmiscJan 12, 20152 votes

In my personal opinion it was worst before, I like the gold passive over the useless bleed he had at release.

ModThe DjinnJan 12, 20151 votes

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In my personal opinion it was worst before, I like the gold passive over the useless bleed he had at release.

...this is sarcasm, right? The bleed made him the strongest early-game trading character in League. It was an effect +34 bonus damage at level 1 on every Spinning Axe hit or critical hit: so +64 bonus damage if you can start a trade with two spinning axes, and more if you catch any and keep going.

It scaled up to 102 bonus damage on every spinning axe or crit, and stacked per hit rather than simply adding duration: 2 hits would get you 204 damage. It was crazy good at pretty much all levels.

HoffmiscJan 12, 20151 votes

This is my opinion: while the damage is there I prefer the extra gold. A free BF sword just for catching Q's is perfectly fine for me.

As you clearly pointed out the passive did decent damage I just like the gold.

ModThe DjinnJan 12, 20151 votes

{quoted}As you clearly pointed out the passive did decent damage I just like the gold.

Oh, you can definitely like it better! I do: I feel it fits his "all about me" character in a more thematically appropriate way.

My point was more about your use of the term "useless bleed," when the bleed was actually incredibly powerful, and much stronger than his new passive even with the free BF sword you might be able to get.

BleedissJan 12, 20151 votes

Aatrox Amumu Ashe Ezreal would like to say something about a shitty passive.

And I don't think you get the point of his passive.

His passive is a snowballing passive, what it does is it makes it where once you catch axes for a while and get a kill, you WILL snowball ULTRA hard to where it's going to take a ton to stop you.

If you were to introduce your idea in he would be too strong because your statement of most ADCs can solo him is completely false in pretty much every way excluding few ADCs because Draven has extremely high damage output and most ADCs can't 1v1 him due to his axes alone.

Still, I don't like your idea, he would become even more snowbally and even worse just have way too much damage in him which would make him pretty much broken with someone like Leona.

bobby6478Jan 12, 20151 votes

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would like to say something about a shitty passive.

And I don't think you get the point of his passive.

His passive is a snowballing passive, what it does is it makes it where once you catch axes for a while and get a kill, you WILL snowball ULTRA hard to where it's going to take a ton to stop you.

If you were to introduce your idea in he would be too strong because your statement of most ADCs can solo him is completely false in pretty much every way excluding few ADCs because Draven has extremely high damage output and most ADCs can't 1v1 him due to his axes alone.

Still, I don't like your idea, he would become even more snowbally and even worse just have way too much damage in him which would make him pretty much broken with someone like Leona.

First of all, all of those champions have great passives. Second, as I said about 1.5k gold by full build isn't a crazy snowballing, and if you can't secure those kills his passive is 100% useless. Most adcs can solo him

ModThe DjinnJan 12, 20151 votes

{quoted}Most adcs can solo him

Being a Marksman isn't about your ability to 1v1 duel other Marksmen though. Draven is one of the highest-damage Marksmen in the game if you can catch his axes (I believe he's either #2 or #3). He doesn't necessarily HAVE to be able to win 1-1 fights: he's a mobile ADC with immense damage and built in CC to push foes away from him.

Is his passive a little weak if you don't get rolling with Draven? Sure. But that's just part and parcel of Draven -- we don't need his end-game being any stronger than it currently is.

BleedissJan 13, 20151 votes

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First of all, all of those champions have great passives. Second, as I said about 1.5k gold by full build isn't a crazy snowballing, and if you can't secure those kills his passive is 100% useless. Most adcs can solo him

"Great."

Aatrox's passive is shit because most of the time it doesn't help him at all as the way it's designed makes it where a person can auto-CC him and render him to be completely helpless and die regardless of having a second life and even if he does live all it will do is make it where he can Q away, it's literally just a set up so he can escape, even so, smart players will just stalk him and kill him after he Qs by predicting everything before-hand.

Amumu's passive becomes useless later on because most people will just kite him to where he can never get a basic attack off and even so the passive doesn't do much because Amumu isn't a champion that can consistently hit someone over and over and over again to refresh it.

Ashe's passive is decent early game, but when you're clearing waves and stuff you don't even have a passive, literally, all it does is secure one critical strike and that's it.

And Ezreal's passive, I'll give you that it's good for pushing turrets, but what about teamfights and laning in general? Ezreal is a caster ADC, so why does he need more attack speed? Like I just don't get how that passive helps him at all when he's not the autoattack reliant kind of ADC.

Now, yes it is 100% useless if he doesn't get kills, but so is Jinx's passive, does that mean Jinx needs her passive changed? No, because the player needs to know what they're doing with the champion to utilize the passive, and just because someone can't do well with Draven doesn't mean the passive is shit, it just means they weren't able to make the passive useful.

One last thing, back up your argument for how most ADCs can solo him with an argument for nearly every single one in one sentence of how they can solo him.

junglerboy16Jan 13, 20151 votes

Support Ashe is where it's at. Her passive is pretty much a support's dream. She can poke relentlessly and if she builds spell thief's into tear, she can poke forever and then scale into late game with Muramana making up for limited farming. Her passive is best in support, because unlike in ADC where you are constantly farming, and thus not stacking your passive, as support, you can rely on it for constant, hard hitting poke (600 range AAs help as well, since with frost shot on they can't get back within their range to trade back). Late game getting support items and a Muramana she basically never goes OOM, always has frost shot on, and deals considerable damage. She can also catch up farm quickly late game because of hawk shot's gold gain passive, which lets her become more of a secondary utility carry.

junglerboy16Jan 13, 20151 votes

You must never play Draven because his Passive is ridiculously good. You can get a TON of gold off of it, but it requires actually getting a kill, and it has counter play through setting him behind by losing stacks on death. This is the last thing I would ever change about Draven.

Draven's whole design is supposed to be that he gets ahead and then uses his passive to stay ahead. You shouldn't be equal level late game, and not having a damage passive or something that gives combat stats is completely non detrimental to a good Draven.

SukishooJan 13, 20151 votes

His previous bleed passive was far worse. At least with this passive, even if you can't get a kill early on you'll have something to look forward to when you DO get the kill.