@Riot Are older Legendary skins getting updates?

Awkbak BR··252 votes·37,947 views

I recently noticed that the new 975 skins coming out with recall animations and some special effects; I feel as the old skins started losing their spark. Don't get me wrong, I like the history behind these skins. But putting this into perspective, if Gentleman Cho'gath was released today, it would probably be sold either as a 975 or a 1350 skin.

I can honestly see on a marketing perspective as of why you wouldn't update these skins. But I feel as if the incoming new players would feel more attracted to these skins if given a bit more attention.

Gentlman Cho'gath is absolutely my favorite skin in league though. And I would find it amazing if he had a recall animation where he would sit down on a crimson early 1900's couch, taking a sip on his favorite Noxian Blend of tea while listening to the finest classical music.

Here are my questions to** Riot:**

Have you thought about or considered going back and working on the original legendary skins?

What impact does changing the old skins have on new players vs more experience players?

What does changing aspects of old skins mean to new sales rather than newer ones?

Would changing aspects of skins affect the perception of players in a negative way?

What do these older skins mean to you as person who works at Riot games?

If newer players asked you 'Why would I buy these skins?' what would you answer?

If you do take time to read and answer these questions,

Thank you!

138 Comments

AWeeLittleFox52 votes

Blood Lord Vladimir is so underwhelming compared to Soul Stealer. They should either update old legendaries or drop their prices and refund the difference to the people who bought them.

Narasimha3 votes

When I got it I was like ":D"

And now I'm like "T.T"

I mean, its basically a legendary skin ONLY because it has a VO. The particles are nothing special, and he doesn't have a unique recall. Hell, he doesn't even have special champion interactions. Is that too much to ask for?

Pikana20 votes

Blood Lord Vladimir

At least you have a custom voice over. I'm over here with my Magnificent TF and Alien Hiemer wishing I could go around hearing nothing but AK! all game.

Ecchi Shiyoze16 votes

refund the difference to the people who bought them.

does apple give u a refund for ur iphone 3 bc now they have iphone 6?

Darthjawafett8 votes

It's called a trade in bonus, typically from generation to generation.

The Storms Fury11 votes

No, but Microsoft is going to give a free upgrade to Win10 for 7 and 8 users.

Silted2 votes

I heard it's still going to cost money to upgrade but it's a reduced price

LeeDark2 votes

Actually, yes, they do. Many companies offer a rebate or discount if you trade in an older version of their product?

Do you feel stupid for making a bad analogy now?

Ecchi Shiyoze1 votes

no, thats just a trade in credit, u can give them a samsung and they will still give u a trade in credit(not sure about apple but ik bestbuy would def do it.) if thats the case just go get some subway gift cards and trade it in for riot points

Darthjawafett1 votes

You can do that actually.

OyddAWqJ5r8 votes

Refund? Nah, it was legenDarius at the time so they got what they payed for. Should it be reduced now since half the 975 skins are better than them? Hell yeah.

LeeDark1 votes

Screw you. They can either reduce the price and refund the difference, or update them and charge the same price. The backlash against charging less now but not refunding would be huge.

OyddAWqJ5r6 votes

Well, I'm all for free handouts, but from a Riot perspective everyone bought what was a legendary skin then. It's like buying an expensive laptop from a store and then 4 years later when the price drops cuz it's outdated and performs worse than current standard ones you then expect a full refund for the price drop. It just doesn't work that way :s

LeeDark1 votes

Nobody is asking for a full refund. Stop pretending you are good at analogies. If you bought the champions, you get the visual updates to them for free, so why should those who spent more on what was SUPPOSEDLY a better skin have to sit with inferior product? Updating the skins would allow them to release them again and get more people to buy them. Otherwise, Riot can just admit they aren't legendary quality anymore and refund us the difference for what they REALLY are: 975 and 1350 skins.

The point is that ALL the other skins got updates to keep them in line with current standards, but the most expensive two classes of skins are somehow exempt from this.

OyddAWqJ5r3 votes

Were they Legendary on release? Did you buy a full-priced Legendary skin at that time? Good, then you spent your money on what you wanted and got what you payed for.

Would it be nice if they updated them? Yeah. Should they refund you if they don't? NO! YOU GOT WHAT YOU PAYED FOR!

Laviosah26 votes

I think this is a good point, Older legendaries should probably either recieve an update or be lowered in price, because I was just thinking about this myself. I was lucky enough to get it as a player reward, and don't get me wrong its amazing, but Gentlemen Cho'Gath is, by comparison to other legendaries, simply not the same value in terms of rp.

Floating Frog5 votes

Teaching a wild thingy like Cho'Gath fine and proper manners should be rewarded with 1350 RP. But btt: Yes, I think older Legendaries should get updates to be at the same level like the newer ones. I dont like reducing their prices, the idea's behind these skins are still funny/suitable, only their implementation have become a little "dusty".

As for my part, I would be perfectly fine to see these updates with the VU/Rework-Programm every "older" champ gets (soon™).

Talith PA11 votes

At the very least the ultimate line of skins should be maintained. Pulsefire is looking kind of sad these days.

Thy Red10 votes

they did change firefighter tristana with the rework

Gbuss2 votes

That was a full rework however and the animations that she does, a lot of them aren't any different than the base skin. Some of the skins that would be under what OP is talking about, those champions won't receive an update/rework for a long while ( if the game would even last long enough for some of them to get to rework status) if you look at the champ as a whole.

Zarkkast1 votes

It's still not worth 1820 RP though, it should be lowered to 1350 or have another update.

Rhax7 votes

Gentleman Cho'gath is incredibly poor for a legendary. It's essentially an inferior re-color with a VO. I know this because I bought it on release when it first came out. It has no particle effects, and actually an inferior base texture (as in worse than the default texture). Check him out in-game, the skin color on his head doesn't even match the skin color of his model, LOL.

Bloodlord Vladimir and Brolaf are also just VOs at a premium price, which is BS.

CriticalSun5 votes

Yup lol that Ice Toboggan Corki lol

Paush5 votes

Gentleman Chogath is worth 390 rp

5512024 votes

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Gentleman Chogath is worth 390 rp

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Dio ßrando5 votes

During Gentleman Cho'Gath's recall, a big red chair (like Hired Gun Lucian's but bigger) and a table should pop up. With tea on a coaster on the small round table, Cho then sits on the chair smoking a pipe and reading.

Tentacle Love2 votes

{quoted}

During Gentleman Cho'Gath's recall, a big red chair (like Hired Gun Lucian's but bigger) and a table should pop up. With tea on a coaster on the small round table, Cho then sits on the chair smoking a pipe and reading.

No, it should be the same chair that Lucian uses, but cho'gath should eat him before resting in it.

TerraRising3 votes

I'm not going to go into too much hyperbole but while this should happen, it's not going to.

Basically speaking, boosting old skins, like "The Magnificent Twisted Fate" into what now qualifies as a Legendary skin would require the same effort as creating a new Legendary skin from scratch, but the only ones who would benefit would be those who bought MagTF back in the day.

So, there's no way Riot's going to approve and do all that work and get nothing for it.

5512023 votes

They must update the old legendary skins, they look like tier 950-1300 RP now, especially Nunu Chogath DrMundo skins... Can we compare Nunu ult skin with the Darius one same price? no! Riot should either reduce those 3 old legendary skins price to 950-1350 or finally update the champions and their skins... Nunu is on the "visual update" list since 2 years now, Chogath is on that list since 3 years . They need a visual update Sion -lvl.

Mjolnir8021 votes

No. They need Karthus/Twitch level updates. Sion had an old and disjointed kit to go along with his outdated visuals and VO. Nunu and Cho have understandable themes and their kits work. Sion became a whole new champion after his rework, and the only champs the need that kind of overhaul are Poppy and maybe Taric.

RyzeRework2 votes

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No. They need Karthus/Twitch level updates. Sion had an old and disjointed kit to go along with his outdated visuals and VO. Nunu and Cho have understandable themes and their kits work. Sion became a whole new champion after his rework, and the only champs the need that kind of overhaul are Poppy and maybe Taric.

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Nickaragua3 votes

PulsefireEzreal needs a little update he just feels very clunky to play with atm

Pikana3 votes

I say update the particle effects so they all have unique ones, and possibly add new voice overs to REALLY old Legendary Skins. Like all you kids whining over Blood Lord Vlad and Gentleman Cho and I'm sitting over here with my Magnificent TF and Alien Hiemer (who sadly doesn't talk only in ***AK!***s)

Mythàl3 votes

Given how Riot now has a set standard of how they fix prices, Gentleman Cho is not just outtdated visually but that fact that he has no new particles or animations on that skin makes it not worth its Legendary status, without an update. It's a 1350 tops, purely because of the VO.

I would love to see it get updated because the concept is so great, but honestly... they likely won't. It isn't profitable.

Guy Fox Teemo2 votes

It'd be dam well profitable if they just made gentleman cho sit in a big red chair sipping tea. when he recalled , hell it'd be the most popular skin!

Freljordan2 votes

I would buy it if they updated it 10/10 As a cho player I dont have a skin because I feel like the only one's I like aren't worth the rp (looking at gentleman and even battlecast). An update would absolutely bring profit in for riot

Guy Fox Teemo3 votes

A lot more skins then legendarys that need updating in pricing or updates to make them worth the price they are.

LvL 99 Blastoise3 votes

I think that they should update Pulsefire Ezreal even though that is not an "old legendary skin" but for a skin that cost over 3000 rp it looks like shit, at least in the early lvlsEzreal

TossACoinToUrSup2 votes

TF, Only twisted Fate, please, do it

Klarion2 votes

Give us a new Pulsefire Ezreal or give us death!

i rush base 2 votes

This deserves an upvote!

junglerboy162 votes

They should at least give the old ones price reductions.

I Gank Jungle2 votes

nunu is my main (first champ i played also) got his ulti skin from randoms and still sad that the snow ball or bloodboil is diffrent and its 1820

Calderweiss2 votes

Yes, they should. The quality bar has been raised.

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

Since we're on this topic, here are a list of prioritize champions who needs their legendary skin to be updated bad:

Chogath Galio DrMundo Tryndamere

The only champion who is in dire needed for an update more than those listed above:

Olaf

^seriously, Brolaf man. The only difference I see in this guy is just voice-over, all his moves are still the same as ever! At least Corporate Mundo gets to throw a file instead of cleaver..

Killstrado5 votes

Yeah but he's wearing two polo shirts with the collars flipped up, his daddy spent lots of money on that wardrobe

CrazedPorcupine2 votes

let's not forget Vladimir His legendary skin looks worse than his 1350 skin.

Blue Moon Wolf2 votes

I've been wondering the same about older champs and their taunts and dances. I know some of them that they're planning on giving a Rework are not likely since they are getting redone but ones that are old but are off the rework radar could use new stuff. I mean, TwistedFate got his dance changed almost as soon as gangnam style came out, why not just change up some of the older ones like that... and yes there is one in particular I'm thinking of... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3svTLXjiwA

Nyusis1 votes

Riot : what ,... money? no sorry , we can't.

JalupenoBuns1 votes

are you kidding, you are going to jump straight to chogath? gentleman cho to this day is my fav leg skin. he has dif voice and dif skin and to me the uniqueness is what makes something legendary, not the particles. if there is a cho skin who looks and sounds like the other ones but with minor particle differences idc, for me to buy something that is not legendary it has to have some truly bad ass shit going on with it. like a koolaid man jax ;)

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