Whats up on a Honor All button??

madcoffee94·Feb 8, 2016·13 votes·1,187 views

Okay soo, to be honest. most games that i play have little to no negative people in them. I love the honor system because it makes people feel good to know that someone appreciated what they brought to the table in game. When i first started playing LOL i knew i was bad lmao, and my team mates did too but it made me feel good at the end of the game when i would receive honors. They were kind of like a pat on the back to me when i was new and even still. It makes ya feel good. SOOO as a person who tries to honor frequently it would be sooo awesome to have a honor all button. I mean there would have to be a way for the system to take out people who were AFK. But i still think its an iight idea

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EPICIIIFeb 8, 20162 votes

There's just a few things bad about doing that.

Honour abuse, and giving out free honours to people that were unhelpful, had negative attitudes, or worse.
It's really not that hard. It's at most 9x the number of clicks. If the people really deserve the honour, take the time to click their thing.
Different people treat honour very differently. People like you and me would give out honours to anybody who talked with the team, worked together and were nice. Other people only give honours to very exceptional players, and rarely ever give them out. I personally honour all my friends each game, but other people value it differently. It's because of the ridiculously wide range of values and visions that make that sort of thing not work. Though it's a nice idea, it's not really necessary at all. Good thought though. Appreciate it.

madcoffee94Feb 16, 20161 votes

i understand that "its really not that hard" but i have a buddy that i lived with and he would not give out honors just because of the amount of clicks it takes to do so. And talking to people on my friends list about it some of them feel the same way. I know it is ridiculous that 9 clicks is enough to deter people but it totally is. And not to mention the society we live in we shouldnt be surprised that people dont want to go out of their way for things.

AeszarckFeb 9, 20162 votes

You do realize that by honoring everyone, you are decreasing the quality of your honor? Your honor is worth less the higher your "given honor/game played" ratio is. This is to prevent abuse. With your idea in place, people would be encouraged to honor everyone, and that is not what the honor system is about. The honor system is about the most respectable and distinguished players, and grouping these players along with the decent players is not the way to go.

Honor the people who really really deserve it. If that's literally everyone in your present game, fine, click eighteen times to honor everyone. (Nine people, nine honors.) This shouldn't be happening on a regular basis though, and in the rare event that it does happen, it shouldn't be too much of a hassle to click those icons.

FigoLuxFeb 12, 20161 votes

This is not economics. This is a way to say GJ to your team and recognize them. If you win as a team why not honor all?

The only reason I can think this would be flawed is that there are three reasons to honor- Helpful, Friendly, & Teamwork.

AeszarckFeb 12, 20161 votes

Honor has a hidden value associated with it that allows you to obtain crests. It's not worth its actual number. Say a guy honors one other person every five games. His honor would be worth a high value (say his honor is full valued at 1). Another guy honors approximately one person per game. His first honor is worth full, then it declines a bit, then it declines a bit more, then it declines a bit more, and by the fifth game, his honor isn't that important to the system anymore (say it's valued at 0.6 instead of 1) because he honored too many people. So though you might have 62 Teamwork honors, your actual Teamwork score will probably not be that because it's likely that not all of the honor you received was full valued honor. (I don't know the exact scorings of the honor system though; I'm just making up numbers here. I do know that honors from friends/teammates from premades and honor from people who honor a lot are worth less than honor from strangers who honor rarely.) You get crests if you are able to get a high enough received honor score/game ratio and then maintain that for a decent amount of games.

FigoLuxFeb 13, 20161 votes

I'm not sure how this is true when there's a limit on the amount of honor you can give out in a certain period of time. And if it is true... how would an honor all button disrupt this variable worth system?

AeszarckFeb 13, 20161 votes

There is a limit, but it's only for extremely high amounts of honoring, and it doesn't change the fact that every honor point has a hidden value associated with it that will decrease in value for every honor given out in a short time. It doesn't actually matter for people who do not care about crests, but if you are going for crests, you'd want as much full-value honor as possible. And as always, set the example that you want others to follow. If you would like full-valued honor, give out full-valued honor. Honor-all would encourage honoring all. Though players already have that option, the addition of a button like that would encourage many more players to honor everyone instead of honoring the most honorable in the game. This would decrease the value of honor given to the really honorable people and give more honor to those who do not deserve it as much. Basically, an honor-all button would serve as somewhat of an equalizer between the better and not as honorable portions of the honorable players when an equalizer is not necessary.

FigoLuxFeb 13, 20163 votes

Alright so I've done some homework for the both of us. There is a limit and it's based on how many games you've played, not, "extremely high amounts of honoring."

For the Honor FAQ "Can I run out of Honor to distribute?"

Yes. While you’re stocked with a generous quantity of Honor to hand out, the number is limited based on the number of games you play. If you’re truly using Honor to responsibly reward players who went out of their way to make your experience better, it’s highly unlikely that you’ll ever run out. Trading or spamming Honor, however, is likely to make the well run dry, and you may need to play more matches to accrue new Honor to give out.

Crests are not based on a back end point economics where each point you award within a given time becomes worth less and less, at least not with released information.

Taken from WookieCookie's post:

How does the system work? Why do I have more honor points then someone else, yet they have the ribbon and I don't?

We are not sharing the exact details of the Honor system to prevent abuse. But the amount of honor it takes to unlock a ribbon will be different for everyone and depends on a number of factors.

There is a value assessment system. Taken directly from Lyte's post:

Honor values: As mentioned above, Honor assesses the value of your exchanges. Receiving Honor from a stranger you’ve never played with before is valued more than Honor from a player who has played with you 100 times and Honored you multiple times. Design decisions like this were made to encourage players to be positive across a large number of games with a large variety of people—in fact, for the min-maxers, this is the optimal way to earn Honor.

The best information I've found for acquiring crests is another of Lyte's posts here.

Crests aren't based on Honor counts in your profile. Honor assesses the value of all your exchanges to determine how Honorable you are compared to the rest of the population.

I take the information I've read from official sources to mean that if I were to have multiple consecutive positive matches I felt my entire team deserved honor and I've never seen or played with any of the teammates prior I could give out full value honor to all people. If I played with someone on my friends list on a regular basis and gave them honor every time we played my honor would not be worth as much due to the system in place to prevent honor trading. If I played with someone on my friends list who was reported on a regular basis and honored them every time we played together this could result in trouble for both of our accounts due to an honor trading red flag, detected by the backend system.

After reading through all the information an "Honor All" button seems like it would go against the reasoning behind the honor system- unless the honor all button had it's own category similar to the current Teamwork/Honorable Opponent/Helpful/Friendly.

AeszarckFeb 13, 20162 votes

Great research! Thanks for linking and quoting all those sources for easy access!

I got most of my information about the mechanics of honor from a video from ristiuMMask. He doesn't present his sources for the video, but I assume he read the same sources that you did. When he talks about honor value diminishing over time, I believe that is him inferring that because Riot states that friends' honor devalues over consecutive use, it is likely that everyone's honor devalues. I realize now that he isn't a Riot source and that not all of his information is completely credible, but when I first watched his video, he seemed like he knew what he was talking about. I definitely should have checked for his sources before spreading the information though (unless he did in-game research himself). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIAeisuevwc

madcoffee94Feb 16, 20162 votes

i love you so much for doing all the research behind this. I agree with you that honor system to me personally is there to say WAY TO GO! to your fellow summoners and with this game being based not only upon team interaction but positive attitudes as well. Im sorry i was not trying to stir such a commotion i just figured it would be a great idea to have the option to honor all on the enemy team as well as individually.

Only Play DariusFeb 9, 20162 votes

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Okay soo, to be honest. most games that i play have little to no negative people in them.

LOL

madcoffee94Feb 10, 20161 votes

sorry about your luck. but i rarely come across people who are that salty on league.

YCitizenSnipsYFeb 13, 20161 votes

No one honors any more, I get teamworks randomly once in a blue moon, and honorable opponent I only usually get when some one on the enemy teams stomps us.

madcoffee94Feb 16, 20161 votes

yeah, and i hate that no one honors frequently. Like i have said in my previous posts there is no better feeling than at the end of the game even if your KDA is average that someone on your team appreciated something you brought to the table. I strive on being positive in games and bringing my team up in moral so a final good job through the honor system is my way to let people know someone out there in the league world views them as a person and not just a champion.