Riot please don't nerf morgana...

Chase Kilgannon·Dec 17, 2014·56 votes·8,293 views

Thats going to far.

99 Comments

The Stoic HeroDec 17, 201438 votes

Yeah, that is a bit much, especially since she is suppose to be the antithesis of her sister, who is reserved.

They seem to be messing up a lot of concepts as of late. I am not saying all female characters should have the same large chest size, but when it fits their character, like Morgana, Ahri, and Miss Fortune, then it should not be an issue.

Riot seems to be pulling a bait and switch now. Promote characters with certain design to sell them, then change them later. There needs to be more consistency in their art philosophy. Look at the promotion art for the Snowdown, then look at Snowstorm Sivir, quite the noticeable difference.

If this is about body image, then why should Tryndamere and Varus be as muscular as they are? Is that not sending a bad message to boys? If this is about attracting different demographic of players, is it worth alienating your base? Riot should either do a sweeping update to their art standards, letting the players go who will not tolerate such simple-mindedness, and try to bring in new players, or stick with design that has made it so popular to begin with.

Aesthetics is not a crime, and you will never please everyone's sensibilities.

ModKnightsKemplarDec 17, 201412 votes

I don't think breast size has anything to do with their personality... It doesn't "fit" the characters to have large or small breasts. Morgana still has plenty of exposed skin, which shows her personality just fine.

Now, if they gave her a sweater, then I would raise an eyebrow. But bringing characters proportions to a reasonable level shouldn't be criticized. That's a good thing.

The Stoic HeroDec 17, 201418 votes

Then it should be applied universally, despite gender. How many guys do you see who look like Braum? Shouldn't he be brought into reasonable proportions? However, there are plenty of people who do look like Braum and Morgana, despite not being the average, and to force all champions into such narrow standards is ridiculous, and unnecessary censorship.

The concerning issue here is not about the proportions of these fantasy characters, its their consistency throughout the media. To sell a champion a certain way, then alter that champion's appearance in fashion that takes away from their iconic look is dishonest.

Grouchy PoroDec 17, 20148 votes

Dude. Muscles are not the same as sexualizing women. If Braum were sexualized he'd be way leaner, have better cheek bones, etc. Point is you're bitching over something you don't understand; I'm fine with this, and women don't need large breasts to be attractive.

KOSHER TACODec 17, 201423 votes

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If Braum were sexualized he'd be way leaner, have better cheek bones, etc.

Huh? No. Sorry this statement is not accurate.

"does not cater to my personal sexual preferences, therefor not sexualized"

jQueryDec 17, 20143 votes

Well u can sexualize everything on a human body. Even mustaches - if a culture sees that part of the body as sexually arousing : D .

And her breast size is not changed her bra coverage and her cleavage lightning is. She still has the same breast size.

The problem i have is that people get upset about what is sexually appropriate depending on people stereotypes for attractive. I mean Jinx has bare skin almost as Evelynn . But it seems that is more sexually inappropriate if the character has big breast.

And who knows maybe Morgana's and Kayle's people didn't saw breast as sexual objects but just as natural feeding apparatus - as many old earthly cultures. So that's why she does not care how much is shown, she just does not want them to hit her face when she summoner 6 away.

Grouchy PoroDec 17, 20142 votes

Yes, I agree with you. There is a difference between power fantasy and sexualization though; this is all I'm pointing out.

TheSaltyScourgeDec 17, 20148 votes

Youre an idiot.

The Stoic HeroDec 17, 201413 votes

Since when have large muscled men not been sexualized? The argument is basically the same:

Her breast are bigger than her head!

His biceps are bigger than his head!

Either both of these should be fine, or there should not be a double standard.

and women don't need large breasts to be attractive.

Did you even read what I wrote? "I am not saying all female characters should have the same large chest size". There are plenty of female characters with all sorts of chest sizes:

Tristana Poppy Lulu Annie Jinx Kalista Diana Soraka Karma Orianna Cassiopeia Kayle Quinn Fiora Lux Shyvana Vayne Irelia Evelynn Zyra Nami Riven Akali Katarina Sejuani Lissandra Leblanc Caitlyn Leona Elise Ashe Nidalee Ahri Syndra Sivir Morgana Janna Sona MissFortune

But, just as all do not need to be large, they all do not have to be the same size either.

Grouchy PoroDec 17, 20144 votes

Whatever buddy, keep rambling. I forgot intelligent conversation is hard to find on these boards.

SolumindraDec 17, 201415 votes

I thought you were leaving?

TamurDec 18, 20142 votes

You listed all the league's females but RekSai

They should leave Morgana's boobs alone

pinkyblossomDec 18, 20141 votes

U are right, but I don't see a breast size change, Just a bigger top and no shading on that more covered cleavage.

Like she does not have female breasts any more but just a ... big lump.

The Stoic HeroDec 18, 20142 votes

Her top is larger, and her cleavage line is lighten, moved down, and change to give the appearance of a smaller chest, resulting in the "big lump" as you described, as this is just a texture change and not an actual model update.

Its weird, as her model looks less anatomically correct than before.

ModKnightsKemplarDec 18, 20142 votes

Whoa, hold up. Think I'm being misrepresented here.

I never said it should be done. I said that I don't think breast size has to do with her personality traits. I would be just fine if they left them big. It's just fine if they make them small. Riot are the creators and get to decide. Morgana's personality hasn't really been altered in this case, imo. That's all I'm saying.

I completely agree that if the artists want a big breasted character, even cartoonishly so, that's fine. But I don't agree that this purely physical trait necessarily "fits" or "doesn't fit" the character. Women have little control over their breast size without surgery, unlike your example with men, since men can work out and get large muscles. In that sense, I think muscle size on men play a bigger role, in my opinion, in their character.

To re-word this idea, it tells me something about Braum's interests and activities that his arms are huge. It doesn't tell me ANYTHING about Morg if her breasts are huge. Except that she has big boobs. Purely physical.

The Stoic HeroDec 18, 20141 votes

I was never talking about Morgana's personality in respect to her body, I was referring to the dynamic between her and her sister's concepts. Just as Ahri is a seductress, it makes sense that she has a large chest. This has nothing to do with their personality, but everything to do with the idea they are representing.

Braum is over 6 feet tall and as broad as a barn. No matter how much muscle a guy can build, most will never be of that physique, as they can not effect their height nor breath. This was an argument of proportions, even if one can be effect more so then the other, to an extent their extremes are still determined by birth.

I am glad you do not think that the edit should be done, but you were misrepresenting me to begin with. I hope this clears it up though.

ModKnightsKemplarDec 18, 20141 votes

Hmm. Fair. I just don't know that I agree that they shouldn't be allowed to switch the character's image. I don't understand why it upsets people. There are plenty of places to go on the internet and look at large boobs if that's what you want to do.

As far as your argument about her contrasting with Kayle, I still don't agree that body type should have anything to do with it. To me, personality is what determines this, and while there are physical representations of that, I don't think size of body parts is needed. If they feel changing them updates the champion to better fit their game, I support it.

The Stoic HeroDec 18, 20142 votes

Her and her sister's design are thematic to their concepts. Kayle represents reservedness, consideration, and restraint, having a nearly androgynous appearance(which I opposed them giving her "boobplate"). Morgana represents recklessness, selfishness, and excess, having a slightly exaggerated female form. These are the underlying concepts that give these characters depth, and are expressed well in their respective designs.

They do have a right to change it, as it is their game, but they should be forward with it. They are trying not to hemorrhage players though, while trying to please both parties, and are just going to upset everyone. However, they do take player input, that is what these forums are for. This discussion is about disagreeing with their design direction in this instance. If you agree with them, fine, that is your prerogative, but we do not. I have tried to explain our side, if you still can not understand it, then I am sorry, but you have made your point.

MindspeakerDec 18, 20143 votes

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Yeah, that is a bit much, especially since she is suppose to be the antithesis of her sister, who is reserved.

They seem to be messing up a lot of concepts as of late. I am not saying all female characters should have the same large chest size, but when it fits their character, like Morgana, Ahri, and Miss Fortune, then it should not be an issue.

** Riot seems to be pulling a bait and switch now.** Promote characters with certain design to sell them, then change them later. There needs to be more consistency in their art philosophy. Look at the promotion art for the Snowdown, then look at Snowstorm Sivir, quite the noticeable difference.

If this is about body image, then why should Tryndamere and Varus be as muscular as they are? Is that not sending a bad message to boys? If this is about attracting different demographic of players, is it worth alienating your base? Riot should either do a sweeping update to their art standards, letting the players go who will not tolerate such simple-mindedness, and try to bring in new players, or stick with design that has made it so popular to begin with.

Aesthetics is not a crime, and you will never please everyone's sensibilities.

I agree regarding the bait and swtich .. as for all the ones that say omg you put her in a bikini "omg that's sexualization of females " i give them about as much time as the average troll if what we have seen with sona rework and ...jinx.... as well they are definitely siding with the trolls.

PastramkaDec 17, 201417 votes

Finally I can counter Morgana! Her Secret passive "Dark Cleavage" was way to OP.

Neo CyrusDec 17, 201415 votes

I was about to make a thread about what a joke Morgana's new textures are. All they did was change the colours slightly, make everything darker and remove her breasts. The last part isn't even a texture change is it, they went out of their way to remove it from the model.

Riot you're not even trying to hide it anymore.

101100111000Dec 17, 201412 votes

Rito once again proving they don't know what to nerf.

pinkyblossomDec 18, 201412 votes

Ok boys shtap!

It does not mater to me if it sexualizinfg... women or whatever, stop with those extreme feministic expressions that just further more generalize women like a special group.... U know what Im not gonna do this.

Boobs are great, Cleavage is great and the new... more comfortable top on Morgana is just fine as long as Rito did not did this thing for reasons like "Well its sexuallizng.... bla bla". If they thought "well that top is just a silly peace of garment needs to be reworked" - gj Rito.

When i saw Morgana 's splash the first time i did not thought "OMG! she is showing so much! Im offended as a woman!" - I was amassed of how good she was drawn and it looked dangerous and very sexy at the same time in a very dynamic posture! Its one of my favorite splashes. And i love her in game tent, don't know why but its amusing :) .

And here is what I don't like about the rework:

1 . What is with the mono-boob? Dont do this, artist had sculpt and painted boobs for millenniums don't act like noobs. Bigger top is fine but way removing the shading from the cleavage completely, same is done on the default skin also.

2 . The hair looks to light.

3 . The golden ornaments on her Exiled dress are very bad, don't look like gold at all.

Raise DongrsDec 18, 20142 votes

You know, I'm a dude and I still think unnecessary sexualization is wrong. For obvious reasons and that it basically limits the creative reach that creators can attain by forcing this mindset of a perfect and very revealed body. Can it be done? Sure, for a few people where it fits their character design and personality (I.E. Ahri). However I feel that the fact that fans are making an uproar about Riot shrinking her bust is only further stating how narrow minded a lot of people come when it comes to appreciating character design

pinkyblossomDec 19, 20142 votes

Again: they are not smaller - in the shortest way possible: They have a very bad shading for their size and form.

I don't mind the size or the bigger garment, I'm even ok if they make her to wear a turtle-neck. But I don't think that breast size or cleavage should be a concern for Rito that will result in ignoring female body parts as if they don't exist. Breast are not something that is shameful , big or small. So stop talking about who might be offended or portrayed in bad manner if boobs are shown on computer monitors, deleting Morgana's wont help much.

Try to answer this question with the shortest possible and appropriate answer that u can, might help in understanding my dissatisfaction with the new TU: Is Morgana's shading on her chest done badly in comparison to the old one? And also what about that radiant hair and the non-reflective gold, u think they are an improvement?

Ok u don't think that her breast should be concern for summoners. What about the other stuff.

Raise DongrsDec 19, 20141 votes

Personally, I like the shading that they've done. More-so on the metal and whatnot, but still. It's a reoccurring pattern in reskins for champions that Riot has been implementing and I feel it gives the game a darker atmosphere. More of a realistic glimmer instead of this bright and cartoonish fake shine.

pinkyblossomDec 19, 20142 votes

More of a realistic glimmer instead of this bright and cartoonish fake shine.

Aha, that's why her hair is way more shinier then the gold on her dress on the Exiled.

Raise DongrsDec 19, 20141 votes

Well yeah, the gold is meant to be dull, stained, and worn down. It's not meant to be bright and royal; it's meant to be worn, used, like it has **seen battle ** and doesn't get polished to a crisp shine every hour

pinkyblossomDec 19, 20142 votes

Aaaa..... Read more about physical properties of gold.

TheHobbitsDec 17, 20148 votes

Im not sure what you are trying to say here...

Williwaw87Dec 17, 201417 votes

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Im not sure what you are trying to say here...

It's prob the boobs

TheHobbitsDec 17, 201410 votes

whoosh Straight over my head. It wasn't even a thing I remotely pick up on.

If its one thing LoL its known for boobs. League of Boobies.

Neo AragornDec 17, 20145 votes

More like "was". They're deleting them all, one champion at a time.

Pika310Dec 17, 20146 votes

"Welcome to the League of Lolis."

Annie

SukishooDec 18, 20142 votes

Can't have that yet, first they need to add more little girls XD

Pika310Dec 18, 20143 votes

Pshah, they don't need to go to that kind of extreme just yet. First they're just gonna lolify the female champions that already exist.

http://www.gameguyz.de/sites/default/files/pictures_images/05.09.2013/1378363038_7.jpg

SukishooDec 18, 20142 votes

So, Loli skins that make all of them look younger? Lol.

Pika310Dec 18, 20142 votes

Lol Shirley, you jest. They will be lolifying all of their existing skins, just as they've been doing all of these downgrades to every champions' existing skins and just as they're nerfing all of Morgana's existing skins.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/4XpE9-P0q1k/hqdefault.jpg

SukishooDec 18, 20142 votes

Well I guess they could just do that XD

Though I personally LOVE the look they gave to the base skin http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-AuUwSxFpG68/VJDPKytBkZI/AAAAAAAAgJA/EEogSt9ftJA/s1600/ComparisonMorg.jpg cause seriously the one we have now is like "WHAT... THAT ISN'T THE SAME PERSON AS THE SPLASH ART" and now it's just a perfect match overall.

PikmintsDec 17, 20145 votes

Not only boobs though. Remember when Urgot had nipples?

jQueryDec 17, 20148 votes

Ok, I'm using mods from now on.

QuephaDec 17, 20147 votes

they really shouldn't change the shape of her bra. her sexiness was a part of her character and fit how she was a fallen, sinning angel. changing this would go against what ironstylus recently said about sexual characteristics of characters, something along the lines of "a character should look sexy if it's appropriate for their character but it shouldn't really be added if it doesn't fit" it does fit in this instance so changing it would mean riot is doing it only because they want to be prudes.

catravenDec 17, 20145 votes

that is just obnoxious. i'm getting a refund.

19 19 19Dec 18, 20143 votes

and so it begins

Neo CyrusDec 23, 20143 votes

Bump.

Neo AragornJan 19, 20153 votes

They did it, they actually did it. Instead of working on things worthwhile they devote resources to deleting breasts, because you know, they don't exist in reality and are so offensive. Right, right?

Have some shame Riot.