DJ Sona: Answering some frequently asked questions.

Barbwired Mind·Feb 4, 2015·16 votes·71,710 views

EDIT: ~~DJ sona is currently 50% off in the store in PBE. 1900 rp.~~ They have also decided... That they have no idea if this will go on sale or not. Also unknown until release.

~~She will be released some time within the next patch.~~ They changed their minds, it'll be out in a few months and anywhere in between. the date will stay unknown, but until then it will be out on PBE early. I can see why. There's definitely a lot of bugs that would come with something as big and complicated as this skin.

There can only be 1 Sona on 1 team, so if you were to play blind picks, there's a chance the enemy team will have a Sona as well with the same skin. Therefore the songs will overlap, and this is why the song is not global to both teams and limited to only yours. This will also confirm that this is as unique as you can get for a skin, so she will be the only one in game to have music tracks of their own. If anybody else DOES end up getting a musical skin concept, they will not come with their own music unless it involves an ability.

Song can be muted manually by YOU, and only be changed by the person with the skin, so be sure to make a majority vote on what you'd like to listen to. If you don't get what you like, well.. Too bad. It's their skin.

Tracks/skin can be changed by using the command /Toggle and choose or CTRL +5

VO: When you listen to her voice, it has been remixed and been made to fit her track accordingly. The fact you can barely understand her is ON PURPOSE..! Check the vid above.

Hope this helps some people. If you have any more questions, post them down below and i may gladly look 'em up to answer it.

I said "FEW" Months on purpose. Make sure people don't keep making the same mistake to buy rp and shit so early. The early hype is sly and quick. You'd want it so bad the sec it was heard you'd wouldn't think logically about saving your rp if you got it way too damn early and had to wait a least a full month till release.

122 Comments

RiotRiot GalettaFeb 5, 201531 votes

Hey just to clarify DJ Sona will not be out in patch 5.3. She's going to be on PBE for an extended period of time in order for her to get the proper amount of quality testing! She's very very complicated. @u@

PurodyuusaaFeb 5, 201510 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Galetta,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=a7ExrdB9,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-02-05T00:57:31.153+0000)

Hey just to clarify DJ Sona will not be out in patch 5.3. She's going to be on PBE for an extended period of time in order for her to get the proper amount of quality testing! She's very very complicated. @u@

There are many of us that have problems with her voice over, or lack of one, not being consistent with the rest of her extremely high quality. Does Riot have any intentions to address our concerns or will we instead be left to argue amongst ourselves?

MasalarFeb 5, 201514 votes

They already have answered that question. They didn't want her voice to detract from the music, so it's designed to sound very distorted.

Derpy MikeFeb 5, 20157 votes

They didn't want her voice to detract from the music

If that were truly the case then the only logical course of action would be to remove the voice completely. There is no way to have any kind of voice that wont detract from, or interrupt, the music. Additionally, the fact that the voice isn't actual words leaves the player wondering to themselves "the fuck is she even saying" every time she talks, further disrupting the natural flow of the skin. People understand what Riot was trying to do with the voice, It just doesn't work in its current state and it needs to be removed, or re-thought.

Right now, it seems like the whole "don't want her voice to detract from the music" reason just seems like a massive cop-out for making a voice that isn't up to par with the rest of the skin, and it's such a shame too. This skin is fucking godlike in every sense of the word but the voice drags it down so hard right now.

PurodyuusaaFeb 5, 20154 votes

[{quoted}](name=Derpy Mike,realm=OCE,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=a7ExrdB9,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2015-02-05T01:58:40.791+0000)

If that were truly the case then the only logical course of action would be to remove the voice completely. There is no way to have any kind of voice that wont detract from, or interrupt, the music. Additionally, the fact that the voice isn't actual words leaves the player wondering to themselves "the fuck is she even saying" every time she talks, further disrupting the natural flow of the skin. People understand what Riot was trying to do with the voice, It just doesn't work in its current state and it needs to be removed, or re-thought.

Right now, it seems like the whole "don't want her voice to detract from the music" reason just seems like a massive cop-out for making a voice that isn't up to par with the rest of the skin, and it's such a shame too. This skin is fucking godlike in every sense of the word but the voice drags it down so hard right now.

It's very reminiscent of the Spirit Guard Udyr debacle isn't it? When Riot tried to tell us he didn't need a death animation because dying wasn't something you'd want to do with the skin, remember? People complained and lo and behold, a death animation was added and that fixed the inconsistency with the skin. It is now probably the most used Ultimate skin of the existing two.

We're complaining not because we're trying to be dicks, but because we see something that's so close to perfect not being allowed to be perfect. With such a heavy asking price, I think we're well within our rights to have this dialogue. The only question at the moment is whether or not Riot is willing to have it with us.

Derpy MikeFeb 5, 20153 votes

The only question at the moment is whether or not Riot is willing to have it with us.

Only time will tell really. I have faith riot will make the right choice. Hopefully.

BresnFeb 5, 20158 votes

Do you even fucking know that** the voice is like dubstep with the actual music? **It's on PURPOSE.

Derpy MikeFeb 5, 20156 votes

Yeah? Now go ahead and actually read what I typed. All of it. I am very much aware it's done on purpose I even said so in my post. You'd know that if you read it all the first time. Just because it's done on purpose doesn't mean it doesn't break the flow of the music and detract from the overall quality of the skin.

SinlaireFeb 5, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=Derpy Mike,realm=OCE,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=a7ExrdB9,comment-id=000100000000000000010000,timestamp=2015-02-05T02:24:40.213+0000)

Yeah? Now go ahead and actually read what I typed. All of it. I am very much aware it's done on purpose I even said so in my post. You'd know that if you read it all the first time. Just because it's done on purpose doesn't mean it doesn't break the flow of the music and detract from the overall quality of the skin.

well derpy. you say because it was done on purpose doesnt mean it doesnt break the flow. double negative means you're saying it does break the flow.

but Riot did it on purpose so it doesnt break the flow. which you say it breaks. now i'm struggling to figure which one of us is the derpy one here Derpy Mike because DOESNT BREAK THE FLOW, in my mind, means DOESNT BREAK THE FLOW. The VO was intended to mesh with the music and add and mix with the sound. once again, thereby not breaking flow.

it does exactly what it's intended to do. the only one who doesnt seem to get that is you.

MrDaemonFeb 5, 20152 votes

For me its distracting this way.

TTRlovesMittensFeb 5, 201511 votes

Once you play it, you'll know. Right now I'm testing it on the PBE and, honestly, it fits thematically. Even the mock-up mash video doesn't do it full justice. There is a video on SkinSpotlights that include the background tracks and the VO going at the same time, and the bug fixes today helped everyone have that experience. This is closest to the actual experience you get on PBE right now, and I personally love it.

I have a few counterpoints I want to bring up as a defense for this choice and why I support this VO:

The voice isn't FULLY unintelligible. In the case of the reverb and echo, Sona has had this built into her VO since day 1 really. Her normal VO has a ton of echo and reverb since it's supposed to be the mind-link she has with the summoner. Here's something I posted in another thread as a defense of what she "says:"

...it IS mashed up versions of her old quote system. For example, around 1:30, it sounds like she says "fanf-ends-a symph" which is really close to a recutting of "the fanfare ascends" and "a symphony of justice." At 1:37, it sounds like "uar-er-ime-uet" or "quarter time" and "a sublime duet." All of the quotes are like this, good job Riot!

Keep in mind these are the Kinetic VO portions. Concussive and Ethereal have their own banks with other quotes, and honestly the Concussive VO is so rad. I played back the video after the PBE patch today and I couldn't find the quotes that play in Concussive mode, though at this point it IS hard to pick out which is which, but that isn't a negative. I'll explain it in point 3.

It fits much better over the music than you think it does. Personally, I think the VO works best with Concussive right now. The echo and reverb make her one with the genre. The best way to experience it is to look at the SkinSpotlights video of the Concussive skill set. I personally don't think it breaks the flow of the skin at all. I personally think it adds to it. I'll probably make my own video to share with friends, I'm playing with the ingame sound mixer to get the best "DJ Sona" settings to prep for release. In the SkinSpotlights video, the music is too soft and the voices and SFX are too loud.
This is MAINLY a musical skin, and I personally see that reflected in the vocoding of the VO. If you've ever listened to "Different Trains" by Steve Reich (pulling out the BIG musical reference guns, lol), the entire purpose of that piece is to reflect the natural inflections of the voice. Inflections of the voice are pretty much the pitches you speak at, and this skin taps into this by vocoding them and using them conceptually as musical notes rather than actual words. This is how I noticed that the VO was remixed portions of the previous quote bank. Thus, they wanted her voice not to detract from the music, but to literally BE MUSIC itself. It's a fantastic concept!

Derpy MikeFeb 5, 201510 votes

"The voice isn't FULLY unintelligible" I really don't think that two or three words here and there count.

"It fits much better over the music than you think it does" I'm sorry I don't think you know what I think, friend.

"This is MAINLY a musical skin" No, this is ENTIRELY a musical skin. Disk Jockeys aren't well known for their voices.

Yes you raise very good points.

None of which I agree with.

And herein lies the issue with this entire discussion, It's almost entirely subjective. At the end of the day there's going to be people who love the skin's "voice". There are going to be people who are willing to tolerate the vocal imperfections because how good the rest of the skin is. And then there are people who aren't going to purchase the skin exclusively because of how strongly the feel about the low quality of the voice. And honest to god it saddens me to the fucking core that the 3rd category even exists. Unfortunately, I'm in it. The following is not my quote but I think it sums up how I, and many, many, others feel right now about the current state of the skin.

"I'm legitimately debating whether or not the skin is actually worth the asking price. It'd be like finding the perfect car but later being told it only has 3 wheels; the dealer is the only person that can sell you the 4th but they won't no matter how much you ask. Do I want a 3-wheeled near perfect car? Or is my money better spent elsewhere on less perfect products that actually work?"

NotBreazeFeb 5, 20157 votes

I really hope they continue to tune this and slightly adjust the Voice. I love Sona's harmonic voice, I love the idea that it has further developed effects per toggle. Hell, this has potential to be the coolest thing I have ever seen in League. But, to me, what it is in current form, sadly just feels wrong.

Its a really tough point for me because I want to enjoy league like I did in S3/4. I don't know what it is, but over the last few months it feels like so much is changing and I'm just getting left behind. I don't feel the drive and connection to league I once did. When I saw this Skin on top of Reddit this or yesterday morning, I was so excited. I love Sona and although the first weeks would be a rough flood of new Sona players, I was totally motivated to buy and play this. I'm still making my decision, but right now I'm fairly sure the Voice tilts me away from the Skin.

Here's hoping its tweaked...

MrDaemonFeb 5, 20155 votes

This is only thing I don't like about that skin. I heard it from PBE and it just doesn't feel right. Either do normal VO or get rid of it completely.

One of the favourite things about Sona is her voice talking to you. Atm I feel like "What did she say?".

HazozatFeb 5, 20156 votes

Honestly, I feel like the voice has been treated this way out of laziness or cheapness. They didn't hire a voice actress to record a new voice over, so they took the old one and remixed it and applied all these filters to disguise the fact that it's recycled. Ultimate skins are supposed to get a new VO. That's Riot's own rules listed in their skin tiers breakdown. Where's the new VO?

InxFeb 5, 20153 votes

They actually did record new VO. https://twitter.com/ErinFitzgerald/status/562689192153853954

HazozatFeb 5, 20153 votes

Well shit. I don't like that any better though. They record new lines and you can't even tell how awesome they are because they're jumbled up and remixed with the old ones.

I don't like not being able to understand Sona. I guess that's subjective, but I think Riot's reason for making her unintelligible (to help her meld with the music) is weak. A voice is musical by nature; being rendered gibberish doesn't make it any more or less musical, but it does make it sound strange with the music turned off. Me? I always watch movies and TV with closed captioning on because I'm annoyed when I don't know what people are saying. Mumbling, not being able to understand what I'm hearing irks me. So I'm biased.

Even so, I still don't feel it satisfies the "a new voice over" element of the ultimate skin tier. They're still re-using a lot of the old VO and hiding it behind a remix. I just don't like that. It seems like cut corners when she has 3 hours of sound effects. I hope the voice gets some attention before she's released.

InxFeb 6, 20152 votes

To each his own I guess. Between you and me I kinda like the VO. it feels like part of the music, and does feel fitting for the genre of music the skin has. Being unintelligible makes no real difference to me, outside of the fact that I might be a little sad if she doesn't have champion specific interactions.

moanaFeb 5, 20153 votes

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PurodyuusaaFeb 5, 20153 votes

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I don't mean to be rude but have you played it yet? Just listening to the VO or watching videos really doesn't do it justice for some reason. But! When you actually play her the voice flows really well and it's an experience. The music isn't super loud so having no voice makes the skin horribly lacking and you're left with a "where's the voice" void which is less appealing imo.

Also, I'm a musician and I've worked with some hella divas; a lot musicians get really antsy when focus is taken off their music! ;P The VO is respectful in that sense.

I don't mean to be rude either, but do you see my huge megapost a few screens up? I basically just verbalized the concerns those of us are having with her voice. It's certainly a neat idea and it's at its best in Concussive form, but not all neat ideas are good ideas. What Riot has done with her VO is not a good idea and entirely because it's incomprehensible.

What's funny is how well your closing argument actually describes the problem I and many others are having. A lot of musicians get antsy when the focus is taken off their music you say? Sona's voice does just that. It says "stop what you're doing for a moment and process the nonsense I just attempted to think at you."

TsundayFeb 5, 20152 votes

What Riot has done with her VO is not a good idea and entirely because it's incomprehensible.

That's like saying listening to K-Pop or Italian singers is a 'problem' because you don't understand the language and listening to the music without understanding what someone is saying somehow detracts from the song. Sometimes it does but I still enjoy some good Ana Tijoux Spanish Rapping or my Italian screamo bands. I know what they're saying only because I looked up the meaning behind my favorite songs a while back, but listening to the song and getting lost in the emotions I don't feel I need to stop and try to understand it.

That's a personal preference. Some people don't have to understand the words to enjoy a musician's piece. I'd rather not understand what Sona is saying, I'd rather just listen to her ab lib her song incomprehensibly while the beat hypes me up

MrDaemonFeb 5, 20153 votes

The problem is not actualy understanding what is she saying. I dont mind listening songs in other language. But this is something else. Its not language, its strange.

Derpy MikeFeb 5, 20154 votes

I don't mean to be rude but have you played it yet?

Mate, what do you think?

Just listening to the VO or watching videos really doesn't do it justice for some reason.

Maybe that's because it's a bad VO and it needs to be redone. I'm not about to down thirty dollary roos on the gamble that I might think that it sounds better after I've paid for it.

BiffoloFeb 5, 20155 votes

Simple fix. DONT buy the skin if you dont like it.

Derpy MikeFeb 5, 20152 votes

The simplest solution is almost never the best solution.

BiffoloFeb 6, 20152 votes

But, some people DO like the VO. You want to screw them because you are in the group of people that dont like it? what about the people who like it now, then they could end up unhappy. It is how it is, like it or leave it.

RiposteFeb 5, 20153 votes

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There are many of us that have problems with her voice over, or lack of one, not being consistent with the rest of her extremely high quality. Does Riot have any intentions to address our concerns or will we instead be left to argue amongst ourselves?

You realize that Sona is a mute and can't have an actual voice over, right? The noises are mixes in the music.

PurodyuusaaFeb 5, 20152 votes

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You realize that Sona is a mute and can't have an actual voice over, right? The noises are mixes in the music.

That'd be a great argument if her base skin didn't already talk in my head. The argument fell apart before you were able to type it out.

I'm not going to respond to all of you since you're basically saying the same thing. "If you don't like it, don't buy it." That's a terrible argument. Are you honestly suggesting I just accept what Riot presents to me regardless of whether or not I have issues with it and just be happy with it? At $30, the answer to that question will always be no. Riot is the one that wants community feedback. if they didn't, the pbe and these forums wouldn't exist at all. Red posts wouldn't happen and the client/customer relationship they're trying to build further wouldn't exist. I've given Riot my feedback and I've explained why her voice was subpar. I'm sorry that I don't bend over and just accept what's given to me by a company seeking to make profit on a product. It's my money and I would very much like to turn it over to Riot but one small detail is holding me back.
For the fellow that told me to turn off the voice sounds, are you suggesting I play at a disadvantage then? Voice sounds provide audio cues that let me know immediately that Diana threw out her Q, Lux is ulting, Shyvana jumped in somewhere, Rek'Sai is coming in, and Sion is on the war path. Do you realize just how bad what you're suggesting is? Maybe I should employ the strategy of boot-licking and perhaps I'd elicit a response from a Red over my legitimate concerns. The only thing that I, and the others from here and elsewhere, are asking for is a Rioter to actually quell our concerns which, as of yet, they have not even attempted to do. Or perhaps I should follow your advice and just willfully pass $30 to their bank accounts.

What you all seem to be incapable of understanding is that I have chosen to spend my time seeking to help Riot make that product the best it could possibly be, similar to how you're spending your time trying to convince everyone it already is. Both of us have similar goals and both of us want the same end game. The only difference is I, and many others, miraculously arrived at a different opinion than you did. Perish the thought. To clarify, I want the skin and I can more than afford it but in it's current form, I have doubts it's actually worth the asking price. Instead of stewing in my own disgust, I am opening up dialogues because I want to be convinced this is worth the price.

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You sound angry. The more you bold post, the more people will take you seriously. This was charming however.

"How selfish, egotistical and conceited are you to DEMAND things just like that? "

Yes, yes I will ask for a higher quality of a product, of any product, when such a large amount of luxury money is being asked for.

This was cute as well.

"and yet you have the NERVE to DEMAND changes on something that you don't even have a say in"

You're repeating yourself and that's never good. But yes, I am asking for changes that I feel are within my rights. Per Riot's own website, per Riot's own description, per Riot's own documentation...

"An ultimate skin is a complete reimagining of a champion that includes an evolved model and additional features and bonuses (e.g., summoner icons). Features: new model that evolves into different forms, new textures, new splash image, new animations, new visual, new voice over and sounds, additional/bonus content."

src: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752874-Guide-to-Skin-Price-Tiers

I put the important part in bold for your ease. I'm sorry that my opinions and my concerns differ so greatly from yours, but a remixed voice that was, from a customer's point of view lazily done, does not constitute itself as a "new voice over." It is exactly as it describes itself, a remixed voice over. If you had actually bothered to read my argument like a few of your fellows have, you'd see that this is the only point of concern I and many others have. It's not new and yet we're still expected to pay for it as if it is new. That is shady business and I know Riot is better than that.

"So next time before anyone goes to comment and start typing their ranting and complaints about something remember, that your comment represents YOUR thoughts and YOUR complaints. There might be people who share these with you but under no condition does it mean that it represents ALL of the players in the League community."

Don't you find it fascinating how well you're argument works against you? I mean, how dare I ask for something that comes about roughly once a year attached to a hefty asking price to be at a higher caliber than where it currently is? How dare I bother testing it, researching it, and giving Riot the feedback they themselves ask for? What could possibly be wrong with me? I have sung praise over how much their splash department has improved over the last year, how fantastic their music has become, how much their promotions have evolved, but I suppose unless I speak only the best of a company you've chosen to bed with, I'm only worthy of your ire.

KerverosFeb 5, 20152 votes

you know if a rioter hasn't answered you or confirmed your comment your opinion is just that air so trying to impress with fancy words and counter everyone with your own "logic" isn't gonna make riot listen to your rants or to what you have to say :) also short long story if RIOT doesn't want to make it even if you have the luxury of billions you can't get something that doesn't exist don't you think? so instead of being ungrateful and arrogant why don't you just take what you're offered and be glad you got at least that? considering the situation you're in no position to demand as i said previously because they don't need your money since the game is f2p. also customer concerns? ha yeah right keep dreaming if you think it's so bad why don't you do it yourself huh big shot? oh yeah cause you can't! simple done.

MaývisFeb 5, 20154 votes

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ZhlandirFeb 5, 20153 votes

I just wanted to point out that even 30$ for a skin is a shitton of money. You can get fully priced games for this. Sure, there's alot of work put into it - and I'm willing to pay that much for a mere skin - as ultimate as it may be - but I'm having a hard time justifying it. I honestly don't know how much time goes into making a skin as say, making a game or anything like that... yet again, it's hard to put a pricetag on virtual goods. ... I'm not here to argue so, just wanted to say that.

OrisiFeb 5, 20155 votes

To help put it into context a bit, your average music CD probably runs you to £10, so what, $12-15? for an album that's probably about an hour long.

The sound files for DJ Sona have been clocked at approximately 3 hours worth of effects/music etc. That's just the work that's gone into the SOUND. Then we have graphical effects, for the equivalent of 3x 1350-quality skins, which basically required a rebuild of Sona to include legs, fully animated DJ Decks, each of which being unique, as well as 3x unique AAs, 3x unique ultimates, 9x unique spell effects, and 9x unique passive effects for her AAs.

In short, lots of work. Lots and lots and lots of work. This was not a quick thing for them to knock out. And we haven't even talked about the EDM names they got on board to do it.

Chromatic EagleFeb 5, 20155 votes

Can you sticky this? At least until the skin comes out?

DarthPancakeFeb 5, 20152 votes

Aww,way to release a teaser then make us wait foreber D; but as long as she is fixed up

KerverosFeb 5, 20153 votes

ok regardless of the time release i don't understand one thing : why is her idle animations not the same as shown in the official preview website as seen here? http://promo.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/dj-sona/ Her kinetic theme skin is the same pretty much as shown on the promo page where she tunes her board up and down and spins the disk etc. Her concussive theme animations though aren't the same and the same can be said for the ethereal theme where normally she would sway left and right slowly to the tune while in game she just sits there.

Hopefully the promo preview is the end result of what riot hopes to achieve when finishing the skin and releasing it. Also i would like to suggest that her full face mask turns into a toggle as well IF possible but with her taunt/joke command kind of like vi's goggles or heimers walk animation, i believe the full mask would be a cool feature among the rest awesome features that exist so far.

OtishioFeb 5, 20152 votes

Quick question, with the skin being on sale for 50% off on the PBE at 1900 does this mean that the skill will be normally 3800 and when the skin hits live will it also be 1900 RP at first?

CerydwinFeb 5, 20159 votes

I feel the need to leave this here.

If you feel like the VO ruins the skin, don't buy the skin. Not every aspect of every skin is going to please every player. That's impossible. I've had several skins come out that I was extremely disappointed in that I was looking forward to. Did Riot change the skin because some people didn't like it? Uh, no. Is Riot going to change her VO because half of the players dislike it? Well, if they change it because half of the players dislike it, then the half that did will now be in those shoes. Someone is not going to be pleased. Someone has to be. Lucky for me, I adore the skin and believe the VO fits perfectly with the music. Unfortunately, some of you don't. I understand and respect the arguments that have been made. I respect everyone's opinion because you're entitled to your opinion. All I'm saying is some of the people who have posted act like their opinion is the only one that matters and act like Riot is going to go bankrupt without their $30 for this skin.

This is how I think of it: These skins aren't just made for players. Yes, it's content for a game that you play and have the option to purchase, but all of these skins are more than just something you, the player, can buy, they are art. This skin is someone's baby. They've been working on it for a long time. (Obviously, more than one person.) Just like the champions are someone's babies that they've spent countless hours on. It belongs to those people in the artful sense. I relate this to tattoos. Yeah, you get that tattoo on your body, but did you do the work? No. That is the tattoo artist's work. That is their art. You display it on your body because you love what they've done (if your experience went as planned anyway). When I got my first tattoo, something that surprised me (and demanded my absolute respect) was when the tattoo artist was explaining how to care for it and what products not to use. She said, "Don't use Neosporin or insert-other-thing-here. Don't put that sh!t on my tattoos." She called the art on my body hers. I feel like that would anger anyone else, but I respected her immensely for it. It is hers. She's the artist, the creator. She takes pride in her work.

I'm sure everyone at Riot takes pride in their work just like that. They fix these champions and skins up, work on them until they adore them and are proud of what they've done. Then they announce it, put it up for testing, and adjust it to make their vision truly come alive and function properly in the game. Their vision. Not yours. Because it isn't your artwork.

Then they get all this hate because some people don't like it.

It's theirs. It accomplishes what they want it to accomplish and will function in the way that they want it to function. They can charge as much as they want for it, and they shouldn't be expected to listen to the whims of those who dislike it. Well, guess what, you don't have to buy what you don't like. You wouldn't hang an ugly picture on your living room wall. Don't buy a skin that you're not satisfied with. Many of us are entirely satisfied with this skin and appreciate it in the way Riot wanted.

Also, I find it disrespectful to call it bad quality and to call Riot lazy. The VO fits with Riot's vision. They are pleased with their work and are proud of their work. I don't believe it to be low quality, and they're not going to be proud of something low quality. And lazy? Oh, excuse me. Why don't you keep this extremely complex game up and running while pumping out champions and skins that please everyone? You make the champion. You make the skin. You do the VO. You do the work. You fix all the bugs and balance the game. Oh, and have it done by next patch or you won't get paid. You can't. But they do their best to accomplish it. They are professionals who spend their days making League of Legends an absolutely amazing and completely free experience. You sit on your computer at home and play it because you enjoy it. Please don't get so hateful and offensive because one skin doesn't meet your expectations when you did nothing productive to make it become reality and have no right to demand changes to their work. You just enjoy it - or not.

And to clarify again, I'm not saying that you can't dislike it. It's perfectly fine to dislike it. It's perfectly fine to state why you dislike it. But please don't act like Riot is sh!t just because you're not happy with some of their work. State your opinion and why you feel that way so that Riot can produce a more variety of skins in the future that do suite your tastes, then leave it be. Don't ask Leonardo da Vinci to make Mona Lisa blonde because you don't like dark hair on women. Don't demand a new VO on DJ Sona because you can't get past her unintelligible lines (which as stated was completely intentional) to fully experience and appreciate the skin. I'm sorry if you're nitpicky and have to know what she's saying to be satisfied, but many of us are satisfied with how she is. Personally, I don't even actually listen to what they say after the initial release experience is over. Occasionally, Jinx will make me giggle when running back to lane, but I'm not lingering on her every word. I'm playing the game - or at least trying to... ;P

KerverosFeb 5, 20153 votes

this i wish i could upvote this more than i actually can. And to add to this persons post to clarify things. To all those who complain about the VO or this and that do you people think YOU could do any better in any of these sections? Do YOU think you could do a VO for a skin and/or Champion? Do YOU think you could just whip up some art to make the splash art the SFX/animations/Music for this game? And yet you DEMAND not even **ASK ** from a company that it's their JOB to make products like these, and they have no obligation whatsoever to fulfill every single one of your demands.

How selfish, egotistical and conceited are you to DEMAND things just like that? do you think it's a simple task to ask the voice actor to just take a stroll towards RIOT HQ and "drop some lines"? Do you think that the artists who create the art/music/sfx do this for charity? This is a Business all the people who collaborated and cooperated in the creation of this skin including the art, music, special effects, VO did not do it simply on a whim it is their JOB and i am pretty sure it took them a long damn time to get to the point to just present to all the people this content so far. And yet you have the NERVE to DEMAND changes on something that you don't even have a say in because even if you like it or not, this skin is not available yet and it is not for sale yet because it is still under development, and you have not contributed one damn thing to the people who created this to begin with.

There is a huge different in between SUGGESTING to these people what they could do and DEMANDING changes to happen as if it is a royal decree of some sort. Even though there are some people who would not like the skin because it is not of their taste or for various reason that does not give people the right to criticize something that they have NO freaking clue as to how hard it is and how much work it takes to create something of this level.

And before people start downvoting this because A B C reasons, i would like to say that i am stating facts here. This game might be made for the community of its players, but it doesn't mean it is also run by the community and its players. While we players just go log in to our accounts and decide to play a game pick our champ , rune pages, masteries, no one pauses to give it a thought that all this is a culmination of all the efforts and work that is done by a group of people just so WE the players of the league community can play a game and have fun and enjoy it while doing so. People may not realize it but it probably has taken an extreme amount of work and effort to make League Of Legends the game it is today, hell i remember when i joined the game in 2009 and compared to then the game has done leaps and bounds to the point it stands today. It is not PERFECT sure there are a lot of issues that are being addressed everyday, people work on these issues everyday from the silliest of things like bugs to the more serious subjects like toxic players and technical issues.

So next time before anyone goes to comment and start typing their ranting and complaints about something remember, that your comment represents YOUR thoughts and YOUR complaints. There might be people who share these with you but under no condition does it mean that it represents ALL of the players in the League community.

ZhlandirFeb 5, 20154 votes

I dunno, the argument 'Can YOU do that? No? Then shut the fuck up' usually isn't that ... great of an argument. The demand/ask thing is, but I mean - shit. I can't fly a plane yet I demand of people to take me to the location I need to be. Sure, League is technically free - but people spend money on it nonetheless. If they wouldn't have done it - well, we wouldn't be here talking right now. I don't know why so many people get upset though - some people here are just bad at voicing their opinions the proper way. Me too, probably. Yet it brews up a mighty shitstorm.

Don't get me wrong - I don't demand much from Riot despite being a loyal customer since 2009. I'm just trying to say some criticism should be allowed... even if voiced harshly/wrongly/whatever. I also stand neutral with this - I haven't experienced the skin yet (apart from listening to youtube videos) nor seen that much about it. I'm looking forward to it though. The only thing that puzzles me is that it might be taking months until it will come out - finetuning and tweaking is fine, but from what I've heard it's pretty complex. Did their programmers fuck up? It can't be that hard - though it might be, I don't know. I know programming well enough that there can always be some weird bugs coming up - so... I'm just confused about it, that's all.

roflSongFeb 5, 20151 votes

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I dunno, the argument 'Can YOU do that? No? Then shut the fuck up' usually isn't that ... great of an argument.

I'm not sure who was making this particular argument, or if something was misinterpreted, but I can try to address your points. :)

There is value in people doing tasks that we do not do ourselves. When I go to a restaurant, I pay someone to cook my food, and pay someone else to serve it to me, and I pay yet another person to clean up after me (not to mention paying the establishment for a place to eat.) I'm not paying someone for things I cannot do, but rather what I'm not doing, if that makes sense. It's the foundation of civilization (we don't all have to farm so you can do something different for us.)

The price of the game has nothing to do with the price of the cosmetic goods they sell to go with it. For example, World of Warcraft has to be purchased, and a subscription is paid per month of use, and they also sell cosmetic virtual goods in a storefront in the form of mounts and miniature pets. The fact that their players pay $180 a year for the privilege to play their game that also has a box price is completely separate from their vanity pricing, just like skins in League of Legends has pricing completely separate from the fact that Riot has chosen to make their game free to obtain and play.

The value of the vanity additions to the game are not easy to pinpoint, because it's a matter of personal taste and preference. I love Oriana, I do not like any skin she has more than her default skin. To me, any price paid for any of her skins is far too much. I can much more personal value in even a few dollars in a champion I rarely play. That's why instead of just describing the skins as virtual goods, some of us are calling them art. Like a painting, photograph, song, or tattoo, all of the skins in league will ultimately be loved, hated, and ignored all at once by different portions of the community.

And usually for someone to post on the boards they have strong opinions of the topic they're discussing, or have a strong desire to white-knight or mediate. That's fine, this should be a place to explore differences of opinion. Miscommunication can and will happen, especially when opinions are stated with passion and emotion. But for any discussion to be fruitful it must be directed at the problem, and the finger-pointing that crops up quickly eclipses strong and valid points that participants have.

KerverosFeb 6, 20152 votes

actually i was the one commenting about the specific person being incapable of doing such a feat as making a skin and the quote up top actually misinterprets my comment way off. what i actually said was: "So instead of being ungrateful and arrogant why don't you just take what you're offered and be glad you got at least that? considering the situation you're in no position to demand as i said previously because they don't need your money since the game is f2p. also customer concerns? ha yeah right keep dreaming if you think it's so bad why don't you do it yourself huh big shot? oh yeah cause you can't! simple done."

i never said anything along the lines of "shut the fuck up" what i was trying to say is that if the person believed that riots job was so bad in making the skin why didn't the person try the feat of "fixing" or creating the skin themselves? Bluntly put they cannot because the skin is a culmination of a group of people's effort of over a year now to make this skin.

so simply put what i was trying to accomplish here was to show the recipient of the comment of how much more bigger the picture is than they make it and to teach them a bit of humility but oh well! after talking it over with an ingame friend i met a few moments later i was told i shouldn't stress over it because people like that exist all over.

even though i might have gone strongly at it, it is difficult to reason with a person who they themselves are creating a problem that doesn't exist. But! to our luck the voice actor of Sona and Janna herself is doing all of the league community the honor to re do the voice over which i am very much excited about! :D considering Erin Fitzgerald she has done a lot of voice acting for many games including dynasty warriors 6-7-8 , tekken 6, Skullgirls (one of my favorites!) and many others.

I feel so honored she actually took the time to re do the whole voice over for sona considering her voice is just amazing! Just for that alone i am buying rp just to get the skin but of course it is not the only reason i will be insta buying the skin :P cheers!

P.S. i apologize if my comment makes no sense i just woke up and it's 7:18 am where i am at now a lot of things i want to say but don't come out right XD

roflSongFeb 5, 20153 votes

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they are art. This skin is someone's baby. They've been working on it for a long time. (Obviously, more than one person.) Just like the champions are someone's babies that they've spent countless hours on. It belongs to those people in the artful sense. I relate this to tattoos. Yeah, you get that tattoo on your body, but did you do the work? No. That is the tattoo artist's work. That is their art. You display it on your body because you love what they've done (if your experience went as planned anyway). When I got my first tattoo, something that surprised me (and demanded my absolute respect) was when the tattoo artist was explaining how to care for it and what products not to use. She said, "Don't use Neosporin or insert-other-thing-here. Don't put that sh!t on my tattoos." She called the art on my body hers. I feel like that would anger anyone else, but I respected her immensely for it. It is hers. She's the artist, the creator. She takes pride in her work.

I'm sure everyone at Riot takes pride in their work just like that. They fix these champions and skins up, work on them until they adore them and are proud of what they've done. Then they announce it, put it up for testing, and adjust it to make their vision truly come alive and function properly in the game. Their vision. Not yours. Because it isn't your artwork.

Then they get all this hate because some people don't like it.

It's theirs. It accomplishes what they want it to accomplish and will function in the way that they want it to function. They can charge as much as they want for it, and they shouldn't be expected to listen to the whims of those who dislike it. Well, guess what, you don't have to buy what you don't like. You wouldn't hang an ugly picture on your living room wall. Don't buy a skin that you're not satisfied with. Many of us are entirely satisfied with this skin and appreciate it in the way Riot wanted.

Thank you Cerydwin, you took the words from my mouth. To someone living in a West Coast, art-heavy community, this hits the nail on the head. I waited years to get my first tattoo until I found an artist that I clicked with. I didn't have my references on hand, I just stuck my head in his parlor to get an idea of his style. But when I described it and he drew spot on what I had in mind I was blown away, and all of my body art is from him because of it.

**Morale of the story, if you love it, then get it. **

**BUT **if you cannot live with a certain aspect of it, then don't get it and end up regreting the purchase. You can still play the game like you always have, and chances are you'll get teammates with the skin and you'll be able to hear the music without the VO. With things as purely aesthetic as art, the bottom line is the artists make the final call. I have passed up paintings because they weren't the size I wanted (too big!), and I have passed up league skins because I didn't like the particles (spells on Charred Mao clash to me). The artists at Riot can only be sure that *they *are happy with their work, and I'm okay with that. They are also human beings and do not deserve to be verbally abused under any circumstance. If you can't say something nice...

RiotmoonstonesFeb 5, 20157 votes

Hey Zamrayz,

Looks like this post as a bit of incorrect information, and I wanted to take a second to clear things up. :]

As Riot Galetta said, DJ Sona will not be coming out in Patch 5.3. We didn't change our minds on any of this information, and we never said it'd be out in a few months. We only stated it wouldn't be coming out in patch 5.3 We haven't officially given an official release date/patch for the skin.

DJ Sona isn't listed as 1900 RP in the PBE store. She is listed at full price, which is 3250 RP. We haven't officially stated if she'll be on sale, or what that price would be if she is. (I don't currently have that information.)

Neo CyrusFeb 11, 20152 votes

With the Lunar Revel stuff out it'd be a super dick move if we weren't told how much it's going to cost now. A lot of people want to ration out their RP.

Is there still no answer?

RiotmoonstonesFeb 11, 20151 votes

It still hasn't been announced, no.

Jesus is SaviorFeb 11, 20152 votes

Can you stick a post-it note on one of the e-commerce dude's desks?

Neo CyrusFeb 11, 20152 votes

Honestly we'd like an answer sometime before the bundles/event ends so I hope you can convince them to give us one. It's not going to force us into buying more. If anything we'll just buy less due to it.

GixiaFeb 5, 20156 votes

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DJ sona is currently 50% off in the store in PBE. 1900 rp.

Wait, Spirit Guard Udyr and Pulsefire Ezreal are only 3250. Is DJ Sona getting a less than 50% sale? Or did they raise the price point of ultimate skins just for her?