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Mystery Skin Re-Rolls

Shatatouille··3 votes·1,946 views

Hi. Here are my thoughts on this idea I have been brainstorming lately.

The Mystery Skin Re-Roll would simply be a re-roll on self purchased mystery skins. It is only for self purchased mystery skins and nothing else. I feel like there could be a limit of 3, as there is a limit of 3 for refunds.

This would be better than refunds, but wouldn't be broken. I think this would work well for Riot and the person who buys the skin. People would feel more confident in getting themselves a self mystery skin, and when they show up they would buy them, and might even buy RP just knowing they have the chance to re-roll if they get a skin they don't like. This, in turn, makes Riot even more money than they already got with such mystery skins.

I thought of this idea because I got three Poppy skin from mystery skins. I hardly even play Poppy, and this makes me upset. I want a way where I can be able to re-roll them, and be able to have another chance of getting better skins. Sure, this is my problem, but I know other people have the same problem. We want to be able to spend less RP, and then we get skins we consider crap and have the burden for weeks on wasting money.

How this would work: The re-roll button is the same as the Aram button. This button appears once after each self mystery skin, next to the picture of it, and only works once. It also works on three past self mystery skins, even before this is implemented. When the button is clicked, the skin you just received is refunded, or taken from your profile, and a new one is placed. For example; let's say you get Primal Udyr from a mystery skin, and you want a different skin. You click the re-roll button, and the same picture format shows up, but with a different skin. If this is a bit inbalanced, Riot can decrease the chance of getting rare/expensive skins slightly on the re-roll skin.

As for how many you get, I would say three forever, but another cool thing is if you bought the five self mystery skins in a day, you get an extra re-roll.

Thanks for reading, and I hope Riot implements this feature.

For those of you voting no in the poll or downvoting my thread, please comment why so I can edit my idea. Thanks.

13 Comments

Going Dark2 votes

Your idea is interesting, but it would need tweaking. For instance, as it is now there would be a really strong temptation to re-roll any cheap skin to try for a legendary one. But I don't think it ought to be too hard for Riot to implement a simple fix: the re-roll is guaranteed to be a skin with the same RP cost as the one you got. This would also be nice for people who managed to snag a legendary skin, but for a champ they hate, or a champ for whom they already have another skin they love.

I'd like to see Riot implement a same-RP reroll option on mystery gifts that refreshes once per month. I think a lot of people who currently don't buy mystery skins because they don't like the odds of getting a skin they care about would like the fact that they can basically double their chances and increase their mystery skin purchases.

Ritopls

Shatatouille1 votes

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Your idea is interesting, but it would need tweaking. For instance, as it is now there would be a really strong temptation to re-roll any cheap skin to try for a legendary one. But I don't think it ought to be too hard for Riot to implement a simple fix: the re-roll is guaranteed to be a skin with the same RP cost as the one you got. This would also be nice for people who managed to snag a legendary skin, but for a champ they hate, or a champ for whom they already have another skin they love.

I'd like to see Riot implement a same-RP reroll option on mystery gifts that refreshes once per month. I think a lot of people who currently don't buy mystery skins because they don't like the odds of getting a skin they care about would like the fact that they can basically double their chances and increase their mystery skin purchases.

Ritopls

That's a good idea and thanks for the feedback. I was thinking that maybe the chances of getting Legendary/rare skins would be lower, so it would be hard but still possible to get them. Re-rolling still gives you the chance to get a better skin, but also a worse skin than you already got. Also, what if you got a 520 skin from the mystery skin and already had every other 520 skin? What would happen? Would you not be able to re-roll?

Edit: How about if you get a Legendary or Ultimate skin you can only re-roll for a Legendary or Ultimate skin? This could also be bad, though, as it would remove the risk of re-rolling, making mystery skins a lot less risky and pointless.

Going Dark1 votes

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That's a good idea and thanks for the feedback. I was thinking that maybe the chances of getting Legendary/rare skins would be lower, so it would be hard but still possible to get them. Re-rolling still gives you the chance to get a better skin, but also a worse skin than you already got. Also, what if you got a 520 skin from the mystery skin and already had every other 520 skin? What would happen? Would you not be able to re-roll?

Edit: How about if you get a Legendary or Ultimate skin you can only re-roll for a Legendary or Ultimate skin? This could also be bad, though, as it would remove the risk of re-rolling, making mystery skins a lot less risky and pointless.

I still think it's not good for people to be encouraged to re-roll just because they have a chance for a "better" (higher cost) skin, or be afraid to re-roll because they have a chance for a "worse" (lower cost) skin. The entire point behind the re-roll idea is, or ought to be IMO, that you don't like the actual skin or the champ it's for, and you want to get a different skin or a skin for a different champ. So I think it improves the concept to be assured that you will get a skin of the same tier that you already randomly got, just a different one from the one you didn't like.

If you have every single other skin of that price tier, ideally the fact that no other same-cost skin exists would override the same-cost requirement and you'd get a totally random skin. But if that would be hard to code for, well, I think that's a rare enough occurrence that I would forgive Riot for just letting you be stuck with it.

Shatatouille1 votes

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I still think it's not good for people to be encouraged to re-roll just because they have a chance for a "better" (higher cost) skin, or be afraid to re-roll because they have a chance for a "worse" (lower cost) skin. The entire point behind the re-roll idea is, or ought to be IMO, that you don't like the actual skin or the champ it's for, and you want to get a different skin or a skin for a different champ. So I think it improves the concept to be assured that you will get a skin of the same tier that you already randomly got, just a different one from the one you didn't like.

If you have every single other skin of that price tier, ideally the fact that no other same-cost skin exists would override the same-cost requirement and you'd get a totally random skin. But if that would be hard to code for, well, I think that's a rare enough occurrence that I would forgive Riot for just letting you be stuck with it.

So I have been thinking about your post, and instead of trying to counter-argue, I have another idea to discuss. How about when you go to re-roll, it gives you the option to either go for another skin that is the same price, or a different and random skin? This fixes that earlier coding problem, and gives the player more options. This would be great if you got a 520 skin and disliked all 520 skins, or if you got an Ultimate skin that you didn't like and you wanted a different one. What do you think?

Going Dark1 votes

That would be the best of both proposed systems, but the problem is still that people would probably treat it like "second chance for a Legendary skin" instead of "ability to get skin I care about rather than this thing that I hate or is for a champ I will never play". Riot will never go for a full re-roll option because it would literally give people a two-for-one shot at cheap Legendary/Ultimate skins. I don't understand why you aren't acknowledging this problem.

Shatatouille1 votes

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That would be the best of both proposed systems, but the problem is still that people would probably treat it like "second chance for a Legendary skin" instead of "ability to get skin I care about rather than this thing that I hate or is for a champ I will never play". Riot will never go for a full re-roll option because it would literally give people a two-for-one shot at cheap Legendary/Ultimate skins. I don't understand why you aren't acknowledging this problem.

Who said I didn't acknowledge this "problem"? The whole entire point of a re-roll or a mystery skin in general is to try and get a cheap skin that you want! The point of a re-roll is if you dislike the skin you got, you have the option to try and get a better one. Realize that mystery skins are literally a risky gamble to try and get a skin you really like without having to pay full price. It's a risk. So is re-rolling. You would only have three re-rolls and that's it. I understand that it would be a two-for-one shot; this is why I recommended making the chance of getting a better skin harder when you re-roll. I mean, wouldn't you want people to treat it that way so they would re-roll? So they would be more comfortable in buying those mystery skins for themselves, resulting in them buying rp whenever a self mystery skin came out? They still have a higher chance of getting another skin they wouldn't like, though, and I do see where you are coming from.

When I made this thread I was throwing something out there. I knew of the bad things that could happen with it. I knew I'd get tons of downvotes. I just explained all the solutions to problems in my head and decided to make a thread about it.

Going Dark1 votes

OK, well, I was just trying to make your idea realistic. You might as well make a thread saying "Hey Riot, here's an idea: lower the cost of Mystery Skins by 50%" (or 40% or 30% or whatever the equivalent of the lower odds of legendary on re-roll were in your idea.) It's not going to happen.

Shatatouille1 votes

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OK, well, I was just trying to make your idea realistic. You might as well make a thread saying "Hey Riot, here's an idea: lower the cost of Mystery Skins by 50%" (or 40% or 30% or whatever the equivalent of the lower odds of legendary on re-roll were in your idea.) It's not going to happen.

If you want to make it realistic, then why don't you suggest a solution? Anyway, I believe that people buy mystery skins to try and get skins they liked for less RP. That being said, a re-roll would be something limited for someone who gets a skin they hate, no matter the price, or just a skin they dislike, and they can try and get something they like. Also, I'm sure Riot wouldn't use this exact idea. I'm sure they would play Devil's advocate and try and find every exact problem and fix it if they liked the base idea.

I understand that players will re-roll simply to try and get and ultimate or legendary skin and I thought of a solution to this. Let's say you get a mystery skin for yourself and it is a 975 skin you dislike. How about you can't get a Legendary or Ultimate skin from a total re-roll, or you can chose to try and get another 975 skin? Would this be more realistic?

Going Dark2 votes

Why don't I? That is literally what I did. You just don't seem to like the suggestion. Although it's obviously true that Riot can take proposals and alter them greatly before implementation, if an idea is too far away from something they would like to do then they're more likely to simply blow it off than another idea that has already been tweaked to be something they'll pay attention to.

As for your new proposal, the short answer is, yes, it's more realistic. However, I personally wouldn't like that option as much due to the possibility of getting a 520 RP skin or whatever. The way I see it is, the original random choice gave me a certain price tier skin, and although I may want a do-over on the particular skin it is it would be nice to stay the same as what I originally got as far as price tier goes. And let's say that you get a mystery skin and it's the lowest possible RP tier that you can get from a mystery skin. Should you be able to do a re-roll that could get you a more expensive skin? If so, do you think a lot of people would just blindly take it in hopes of an upgrade? If that happened, do you think Riot would remove the option because people were using the option in a fashion contrary to its intended use?

Shatatouille1 votes

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Why don't I? That is literally what I did. You just don't seem to like the suggestion. Although it's obviously true that Riot can take proposals and alter them greatly before implementation, if an idea is too far away from something they would like to do then they're more likely to simply blow it off than another idea that has already been tweaked to be something they'll pay attention to.

As for your new proposal, the short answer is, yes, it's more realistic. However, I personally wouldn't like that option as much due to the possibility of getting a 520 RP skin or whatever. The way I see it is, the original random choice gave me a certain price tier skin, and although I may want a do-over on the particular skin it is it would be nice to stay the same as what I originally got as far as price tier goes. And let's say that you get a mystery skin and it's the lowest possible RP tier that you can get from a mystery skin. Should you be able to do a re-roll that could get you a more expensive skin? If so, do you think a lot of people would just blindly take it in hopes of an upgrade? If that happened, do you think Riot would remove the option because people were using the option in a fashion contrary to its intended use?

I never said I didn't like your solution and I've probably made some retarded posts. Yes, I do agree with you. The only way Riot would implement this would be if someone couldn't get an ultimate skin much easier. Actually, I agreed with you in the first place, I just wanted to try other ideas but in the process I made stupid posts that probably made me look dumb. What if re-rolls costed extra RP? What if the more mystery skins you bought the more re-rolls you got? Like, you bought several mystery gifts in one day and you were given an extra re-roll? I do see a problem with this, though. Let's say someone bought 5 mystery skins and got a free re-roll and still had three of their own re-rolls. They could just re-roll the skins they got and never buy mystery skins again. Maybe a solution to this problem would be to limit one mystery skin re-roll to one day?

honey im home2 votes

Sorry to piss on your parade but Mystery skins were created all for the gamble, i understand where you are coming from but if there was a re-roll option it would just take the purpose away, its essentially paying 470 or whatever for 2 chances to get a decent skin that you could've just bought in the first place

Shatatouille1 votes

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Sorry to piss on your parade but Mystery skins were created all for the gamble, i understand where you are coming from but if there was a re-roll option it would just take the purpose away, its essentially paying 470 or whatever for 2 chances to get a decent skin that you could've just bought in the first place

I honestly agree. Would mystery skin re-rolls costing extra RP help or do you have something else in mind? (other than scratching this idea).

LXII1 votes

I think mystery skins are fine as is tbh. The whole point is that it's a mystery.. Don't like the surprise? Too bad, that's what a mystery is. If there's a skin you really want, just buy it. If you just like the idea of getting any random skin, that's where mystery comes into play.

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