AP bruiser itemization (Bring back and Rework DFG)

Lord Zeta 1313·5/12/2019, 11:10:26 PM·4 votes·2,924 views

So considering that AP bruiser itemization is so trash right now, i think it would be wise to make a ~~new~~ Actual AP Bruiser item

So here is my idea

Deathfire grasp Cost: 3200 gold 100 AP 400 Health Melee only Unique Active: After channeling for 1.5 seconds empowers your next auto attack to deal 10% of the targets maximum health as Magic damage. Increases all magic damage dealt to the target by 20% over 4 seconds (starts at 10% and scales up). Lasts for as long as the caster is in combat with the target. Effects are halved if the caster takes damage during the channel. Canceled by hard CC.

So what do you guys think of this idea?

9 Comments

Trap or a Trick5/12/2019, 11:50:53 PM5 votes

3000 gold for 120 ap AND 400 AND 10% cdr

2610 gold for ap 1066 gold for hp 260 for cdr thats nearly 4k gold without taking the active into concideration

ADC Yuumi5/12/2019, 11:14:19 PM3 votes

Sylas #AYY LAMOOOOO

Bonipherus5/13/2019, 12:24:09 AM2 votes

ranged champs would use this. basically tanky leblanc or lux oneshotting you. absolutely must be made to be melee only. but then the historic problem children pop back up - fizz, kassadin, and ekko would all grab this and fuck everybody with it. it must absolutely not be allowed to make these champs bruisers or tanky assassins again.

riot has fundamental problems with their items, particularly ap items, because they work on so many champions who all use the same stat but perform extremely differently.

Relius D Ornez5/13/2019, 12:06:48 AM1 votes

Why not tone down the AP to like 60 and give it a passive that auto attacks hit around the target like hydra. The cleave does no damage but marks targets and applies spell effects, hitting a marked target with an ability chunks for let's say 20% AP and removes the mark. Make the active detonate any current marks and makes them vulnerable for let's say 15% more damage for about 5 sec. 60 sec CD that gets reduced for passive detonations. Now we have a hydra and a black cleaver. Also raise the price to like 3500.

Who Fed Ru5/12/2019, 11:34:49 PM1 votes

ty dfg

Hemulen Magi5/13/2019, 12:29:50 AM1 votes

The stats are too high in the original post, but it could be interesting in theory. I definitely want new AP brawler items to be added.

I personally think DFG should be brought back as an AP assassin item though. I think Lethality should be an adaptive/hybrid stat and should replace magic pen, and AP champions intended to build as assassins could be granted Lethality scaling like Pyke has. If this were the situation, then DFG could be brought back as an AP Lethality weapon and as long as it had relatively low AP then it wouldn't be frequently built by non-assassin AP champions. AP assassins with hybrid scaling, like Katarina, would also really like Lethality becoming an adaptive/hybrid stat. It would allow a better separation of AP mage items and AP assassin items.

LordGeovanni5/13/2019, 1:43:14 AM1 votes

ap bruisers need itemzation but dfg doesnt need to come back in any shape or form. ps that item you just put is adding item 3071 stats with half of item 3080 stats and its the same cost as black cleaver. Frankly ap bruisers cant work until riot nerfs the ratios mages have and take away most of the cooldown reduction from them then ap bruisers can get items were they 300 hp and 60 ap on the same item for 2600 or 300 hp 60 ap and 25-30% attack speed for 3000-3300

you cant get top damage items and have good defense its why mages and marksmen are already so broken item 3086 (movement speed is an offensive and defensive stat) item 3046 item 3080 item 3040 item 3113 item 3027 item 3157 slightly worse than top damage items but its active should force it to be way worse or at least more stacked into armor than ap item 3102

Lord Zeta 13135/13/2019, 2:13:02 AM1 votes

edited to balance it out

Th3KindredSpirit5/13/2019, 7:04:53 AM1 votes

Too op, would be too strong on some Champions.