'Ah Mar the beastmaster

Beedrill·Dec 22, 2019·3 votes·3,289 views

The two primary motivations for this champion are that league has most of archetypes covered. One that is sorely missing, especially since the malzahaar changes, are the beastmaster. Also, there are no true support void champions (we all know velkoz is a midlaner). And so this is a void support.

Personality: unlike most void that are hunters that just want to kill or consume and destroy 'Ah Mar is a leader of the strong and foolish. In lore they take advantage of others strengths with her cunning to accomplish said destruction. She is manipulative, witty, and alpha. This champion is not beta like janna, supporting draven to win lane. They use draven to destroy the enemy botlane. Which is again, a type of champion we have yet to see. The closest thing to a support that is in charge would be braum who frankly is just a bodyguard. And pyke who is essentially not in charge of the lane, or in a position of subordination, hes just an assassin.

Appearance: doesnt matter. Whoever can find a way to make cthulu look like a cute league void girl DM me. If not, INSERT baron nashors nephew or my mom. Its irrelevent

Passive-enemy auto attacked by a beast loses 10-50 armor and MR for 2 seconds. The same champion cannot be effected for 15 seconds by this passive. Q- passive1 Enemies within 300-800 units of summoned void beast lose 20% movement speed AA speed and tenacity Passive2 Allies within 300-800 units of summoned void beast gain 10% AD or AP adaptive. Active Toggles between passives, only one active at a time. CD 5 seconds

W- summon void beast one (think Skag from borderlands type of void dog beast). A mobile creature that is controllable and specializes in positioning. has a melee AA. Leveling this ability increases summons duration, base stats, matures beast from adolescent to mature form

E- summon void beast two. Must be within 300 units of summoner and is uncontrollable. flys above using long range auto attacks. (Void pterodactyl boi) Leveling this ability increases summon duration/base stats, beast goes from adolescent to mature when leveling.

R- void beastmaster converts all nearby non ultimate minions including malzahaar minions, lane minions, jungle camps into void melee or ranged minions depending on what it was prior.

Literally made it up as I went. This champion would use mana and have lots of cooldowns I dont want to think about that or base stats tho. I imagine in order to balance this they would be on the squishier side, lack mobility, and potentially no hard cc, just slows.

22 Comments

ProbablyAnnieDec 23, 20192 votes

I like this a lot. 'Ah Mar malz bot lane incoming?

BeedrillDec 23, 20191 votes

'Ah mar is Arabic for Red. I chose arabic be cause void names remind me of arabic. And red is a nod to the pokemon master.

Mr VoidlingDec 23, 20191 votes

Flashback Zed Leblanc Ahri Ekko Fizz Katarina Akali Kassadin ... Yeeaahhh I'ma stay support with my poor little immobile squishy Vel'Koz. People also flame you for not roaming when you lane against a Talon or TwistedFate , even though they should know you can't keep up with them and will lose farm. Right now mid lane is a nightmare for Vel.

BeedrillDec 23, 20191 votes

Even so, I think he was designed to be a midlane burst mage, there still is a void in the roster where there could be another support.

Exodus247Dec 23, 20191 votes

Even if this DID get balanced, it wont be added in, THE SOLE REASON being riot doesnt like these kinds of champions or mechanics because riot hates fun. They hate DoT champions, summoners, and drain tanks and are actively (for most) trying to get rid of them. Sole exceptions being swain, yorick, cassio, and brand. I mean look what they did to malz minions, i know they weren't supposed to do most of his dmg, but they gutted them and left them to rot, and took away anything that could make an ad malz build or anything fun. Honestly its a waste of a spell slot imo.

BeedrillDec 23, 20191 votes

First off, I think this could be balanced. Second, it's not a dot kit at all, the summon has an auto attack for dmg, that's it. Also basically everything I've stated is already a mechanic in the game on balanced champions. Yorick turns enemy minions into yorick minions, there are items and champions with aoe debuffs and buffs. Counterplay- squishy with no hard cc. Can only have w or e out at once, fighting not near minions cripples the ult, conversely slowpushing a huge wave could b a death sentence. The summons are probly going to comparable damage-wise to malz minions. You can have them do decent damage by making them scale with lvl for dmg but only ratios on them being tank ratios. Or something.

Exodus247Dec 24, 20191 votes

I didnt say he was a DoT champ, what i said was he is in the champ design category LIKE DoT champions, you gotta read a bit more into it my dude. What i said was riot fucking HATES champs like this, maybe not deisgn wise, but kit wise, with tons of minions, AMONG OTHERS LIKE DoTS OR DRAIN TANKS Thats why you only really see a few, and the best minion one i can even think of is again, yorick. They dont like these playstyles because riot hates fun and anything that isnt 100% to 0% dead meta, why do you think a lot of the champs nowadays had no real 'unique playstyle' besides a few?

BeedrillDec 24, 20191 votes

I agree riot hates fun and "DOT champs", but almost all new champs are very unique in playstyle, you really have to go back to neeko and before that zayah to find them not innovating playstyles with each new champion.

Exodus247Dec 24, 20191 votes

I wouldent say unique playstyle, id say more 'unique gimmick' since they all mostly do the same thing, besides like, yummi and MAYBE senna. Lots of dmg, kill you with no real effort, that sorta thing

BeedrillDec 24, 20191 votes

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I wouldent say unique playstyle, id say more 'unique gimmick' since they all mostly do the same thing, besides like, yummi and MAYBE senna. Lots of dmg, kill you with no real effort, that sorta thing

Rakan is a highly mobile engage playmaker support unlike every other playmaker support that is a tank pull bot. kayne has an evolve gimick thing and got a new mechanic in his wall run which is neat and changes how he can path through the jungle and he has a ton of aoe which makes his clears path a little different. qiyana- an assassin with gimicks. ill give u that Kaisa- provides a different look to adcs with her ult that lets her do some unique things for the position ivern-ivern pyke- hes an assassin support. that adds a new option to team comps completely. an assassin with great cc. atleast every other champion adds different flavor to a team you cant get from champs already in the game.

Exodus247Dec 25, 20191 votes

different looks doesnt constitute uniqueness, in the kaisa example shes just slutty chick with skintight suit. Where have i seen slutty chick before? Ahri Akali Evelynn Leblanc Or even better, slutty adc chick Kaisa MissFortune Xayah . I will admit i forgot about pyke and rakan, and even ivern. Those i will say are the unique that passes for me, for the reasons you said. However, a lot of them recently havent been that, besides the ones i mentioned. Im not counting the past 2 reworks since pantheon is a more modern version of his old kit, and morde is, well, morde.

BeedrillDec 25, 20191 votes

kaisa does not play like mf or xayah though.... If thats your argument than literally every female adc is the exact same champion.

Exodus247Dec 26, 20191 votes

again i didnt say playstyle. I keep saying its a unique gimmick and then roughly the same champ design wise with the whole 'slutty chick' If you dont read my posts then why would i bother arguing with you anymore.

BeedrillDec 28, 20191 votes

I feel that the problem is that to low elo players they just see slutty adcs when in actuality in lore and gameplay they differ greatly, this isnt an argument I'm simply trying to explain to you why your opinion is not valid. But sure, no more girl champions should be allowed in league. It's a 3 legged void beast. Since there are no 3 legged characters in league this should satisfy you.

Exodus247Dec 29, 20191 votes

Are you kidding? What in the world does me saying the game doesnt need anymore generic designs correlate to 'NO MORE WAHMEN CHARACTERS"? Is that to boost your ego or to try to make up 'an actual reason' for my points? I didnt say no more girl champs, you are ignorant if you immediately just flock to that conclusion after all you've read, especially since ive made it VERY CLEAR it was about design, and not gender.

BeedrillDec 31, 20191 votes

Honestly I am just clowning you because you dont seem to have valid or relevent opinions.

Exodus247Jan 1, 20201 votes

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Honestly I am just clowning you because you dont seem to have valid or relevent opinions.

The fact you are saying this instead of trying to explain your reasoning just shows me that you have no more argument. You are right about one thing though, you are indeed a clown.

BeedrillJan 2, 20201 votes

You have not presented anything wrong with the character for me to argue. Honestly I don't know what you want besides jokes at this point. My champion is not a slutty girl character and that seems to be your issue.

Chubby PlatypusDec 24, 20191 votes

Hello! Chubby here with some insight on your character! First and foremost I want to thank you for noticing that we have yet to see an official Void champion fill the support role. My hats off to you. With that being said, there are a few issues we must tackle before we can consider 'Ah Mar as a viable champion for Riot's champion roster. We should probably start with the champion appearance- which should be monster-like in all sense of what the Void is suppose to portray. There are no void champions that are humanaoid, except for Kaisa but she was human to begin with, so I find it hard to digest that this champion would look remotely human without some explanation. That can easily be changed with good lore and background. Perhaps the champion is actually a parasite that took over the body of a charming woman? (Might I say that this would open up ** A LOT** of options for skills since this champion could easily take over a new body to match the skin concept). But let's move onto the actual kit!

Before we begin I would like to address 'Ah Mar's lack of true support potential. I don't mean to bash on the creation, this is not my intention, I would simply like to point out that she doesn't have a clear defining aspect that points her into the support role. Her debuff/buff on her Q is the only redeeming quality if she were to go bot lane as a support. Otherwise, I would think she belongs in the top lane or jungle- just given the nature of her current kit. None the less, let's dive right in!

Passive: A classic armor/MR reduction ability. Not too bad but a little under powered if you ask me. Perhaps we could add a stacking mechanic that will allow for the ability to stack over time. This, in turn, would allow more counter play and would make it hard for your opponents to ignore your pets. Making sure that they can contribute to the fight will also give them clarity and will help in portaying 'Ah Mar's command over the lane. We could also beef it up to a total of 40 stat reduction over the course of 5 stacks, with each stack reducing stats by 8.
Q: I address this ability a while ago, but I have some suggestions to spice up the interaction of this ability. For starters, the potential perma-slow on this ability is BROKEN lol. If you manage to get your pet to stick on to an enemy champion they will be debuffed until they get the pet off them, which I'm sure is what 'Ah Mar would like since that would mean they focus the pet instead of her and she can whittle them down while they try to run away. The second portion of this ability is also kinda underwhelming. I know a lot of people have commented that this champion would be broken... but with this design she honestly needs buffs lol. 10% increase stats is 1/5 of what Yummi contributes with her W... and Yummi's W is already regarded as a borderline useless ability. What I propose is simple: remove the second portion of the ability (buffing) and make this an active ability! It would work similar to how Voli's roar works. Everyone around your pet would be debuffed for X amount of seconds. This way, you remove the perma-slow potential that I KNOW for a fact players would try to abuse, and you allow more counter play. Just a suggestion.
W & E: I'll talk about both of these abilities at the same time since they are basically the same. Essentially, you summon a pet lol. I love the concept and I don't think much needs to change in regards to the imagery of a "beast master" but I would like to suggest a mechanical change. Make these two abilities the same ability. Let me explain! There is no reason to have these two abilities be separate when they share the same goal in mind and function in a similar fashion (which is to summon a pet). You can make this a toggled ability (think Twisted Fate's Pick a Card) that allows you to choose which pet you would like to summon. This would clean up 'Ah Mar's kit a bit AND, this is the big one ALLOW HER TO HAVE A NEW ABILITY!! :D :D :D :D :D

So you know how I mentioned that this champion had little support capabilities? Well if you take the above suggestion it totally frees up a new spell slot!! One that could be used to highlight more support capabilities! Maybe an AoE shield that originates from her pet, or perhaps a heal that she can use that requires her to sacrifice her pet! This would allow for her ruthless leader persona to shine through in-game play by showing that she is willing to do what ever it takes to win, even if it means sacrificing her pets. Something to think about, but by no means should it overshadow your character concept. Just a suggestion!

R: I have mixed feelings about this one. On one hand, there aren't a lot of non-ultimate pets that would actually benefit from this long enough to make a difference (Zyra, Malz, Heim, Yorick, Gangplank?) but on the flip-side I can't help but think that it is WAY TOO niche for Riot to ever consider. I'm against complete ability overhauls (creating a brand new ability) since I feel like that insults the creator. While, thematicly, it fit's 'Ah Mar's persona very well, it does little for the actual game state :/ I might suggest a complete overhaul on this ability, but if you wish to make it work you're going to have a nightmare trying to balance it. You'll have to make it useful to 'Ah Mar when she doesn't have the above mentioned allies on her team, and at the same time make sure that it's in line if those champions were to be on your team.

Overall great concept! I feel like you need to polish her identity a little bit more. As I mentioned, she doesn't quite feel like a support champion YET! With enough work I'm sure your vision could become reality! I would love to talk more about your champion design if you'd lend me your time! We could work together to fully flesh out this design if you'd like :D

Chubby

BeedrillDec 24, 20191 votes

"Before we begin I would like to address 'Ah Mar's lack of true support potential." I feel like most other game genres its very standard to have an auramancer type character in a supportive role, I made the other abilities be a conduit of the aura, perhaps exchanging one summon for a "support ability" would be best for variety and support gameplay but I feel it would also sacrifice the beastmaster motif if the character only had one beast...

Passive: I love your suggestion, I assume the size of the stacks scale with level like at 6,11,16 or something?

W&E: I like the idea of a toggle type mechanic, it prevents the losing of the beast master motif like I previously stated.. I think I like the idea of a mechanic similar to pokemon trainer from smash bros where u summon one, then the next one you summon is next in line, and it cycles. Just as another option to a standard toggle which would work fine.

"Maybe an AoE shield that originates from her pet, or perhaps a heal that she can use that requires her to sacrifice her pet!" I was literally thinking of a pet sacrifice when I started this paragraph, you have made it so obvious that this would be a great idea. I really love it, would sacrificing one for mana and the other for health be viable? Instead of it just imploding where it stands it could go blow up onto the adc showering them with precious life giving blood. Or 'Ah Mar physically has to shank it and the life essence just flows to the target. That would be neat.

R: I see what your saying about new mechanics and difficulty balancing. I like fizz's shark, you have a puddle on the ground and a shark pops out! I would like an ult that would be similar in size to zyras ult, cast directly under 'Ah Mar. Instead of a puddle it is a translucent portal where you see an absolute behemoths mouth opening and blasting a void laser blast upward, like standing on a lux ult blasting you sky high. This would apply a .5 second knock up, and apply a scalding grievous wounds to all hit as well as do damage comparable to zyra's I think this new R still keeps to being a beast master, contains only mechanics in the game(knoc kup, grievous wounds) and adds support utility in the form of a mediocre cc and a potentially team wide grievous wounds(which is another form of de-buff).

I am very new to these forums but I can tell from my small scrolling around that you really know what your talking about, I would love to talk more about champions that could or should get into the game.

Chubby PlatypusDec 24, 20191 votes

Marry Christmas Eve! (yeah I'm rolling with that lol) Thank you so much for replying to my post! I'm glad to see you reaching out and trying to improve on your character concept! Woohoo! I firmly believe that 'Ah Mar can retain her identity as a beast master AND support while doing it, it's just going to take a lot of brain juice to figure out the kinks in the way lol. As per your question about imploding a pet to restore mana being viable... I have to think long and hard about the current state of the game at this point in time and there's a lot to look at (I'm currently visiting family for Christmas, which is today lol). When I have more data on this I'll be able to speak without throwing out random numbers/assumptions so... raincheck? lol.

A thousand times improvement on the ult there! Making an AoE hard cc ultimate is very on par with the likes of Janna, Zyra, Bard, Leona, and to some extent Lulu, Morgana, Rakan, Braum, Yummi, Nami (and others I may have missed), so I really do like this suggestion. Although it may sound a lot like Zyra's ultimate we can make it even more interactive by making it originate not just from 'Ah Mar but also her pet? Perhaps after she uses her heal/shield, for a brief time, her pet's essence clings on to her target and if she ults it will originate from them as well? Possibilities are endless! This is a brand new concept and I'm sure we're not the only ones trying to make it work lol, but I can guarantee we will be the first to fully flesh it out. If you've read any of my previous posts you'll know about my mission, but if you haven't then let me share it with you.

I want to bring the creation community together! I want to work on all of these crazy ideas ya'll are putting out and I want to flesh it out as a champion that Riot might consider looking at for inspiration. This includes:

Lore
Abilities
Interactions
Art

If you'd like to be a part of my movement I'll be streaming this type of content as soon as the winter break is over! I still haven't worked out the time slots or anything like that (since only 1 person has officially said yes as of right now), but once I have more information I'll be able to move forward with scheduling a time slot with each person to work on their champion with them :D If you'd be down that be great, and if not then I at least tried lol. Let me know what you think!

Chubby

BeedrillDec 25, 20191 votes

To give it an identity aside from generic aoe like zyra the targeting could be kinda like irelia E. But a triangle, it creates the summon death void portal between where u point and click your ult to summon a beast, you, and the other summon you have out. If your standard summon is not out then the ult will be a thin rectangle between the summoner and where u point and click the R summon to appear. A 1 second channel before ult takes effect. I would enjoy doing your stream thing and I will go stalk some of your other comments on other peoples champs. I saw one before, you were very thorough over there as well.