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...but graves can't have a cigar

Criata··71 votes·29,283 views

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BeatzBoyFTW24 votes

http://assets.cdn.moviepilot.de/assets/store/limit/1000/1000/312d75edfdb7175ca87830931e4c7fe2ce232b3741e69a7676beac300098/League_of_Legends_Graves.jpg

Video showing Graves with a cigar and has more than 10 million views, but sure, Graves can't have a cigar in the splash art.

The Trent2 votes

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http://assets.cdn.moviepilot.de/assets/store/limit/1000/1000/312d75edfdb7175ca87830931e4c7fe2ce232b3741e69a7676beac300098/League_of_Legends_Graves.jpg

Video showing Graves with a cigar and has more than 10 million views, but sure, Graves can't have a cigar in the splash art.

riot said that Graves smokes just not all the time. Can you guys do your research before hand?

BeatzBoyFTW5 votes

Reason was "Graves doesn't smoke all the time"? Really?

Hey all,

I can give a bit of context on why the cigar was removed. Essentially, there was a significant risk of censorship or age rating problems in various regions based on the depiction of tobacco usage. This kind of thing is pretty strictly enforced in parts of the world, and in this case it became clear that we needed to remove the cigar in his splash. The relevant laws sometimes apply differently depending on content type, which is why something that might work in peripheral content like a cinematic may not work in content like splashes that are tied specifically to the core game.

I can also speak a bit as to why we wouldn't create multiple splashes in response to this kind of issue. One of our goals moving forward with splash art, compared to how things have been done in the past, is to create content for all regions. In the past we've created modified or entirely different splashes based on the needs or appeal of certain regions, but this is something we've been working to change moving forward. Where possible, we want to stay away from sharding the game unnecessarily for different regions. It may seem like a small thing in this case, but we believe that being consistent with this artistic approach best allows for a common community and common stories for players to experience and share with each other.

-Silver

Give out actual research references, not based on your own thoughts.

The Trent1 votes

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Reason was "Graves doesn't smoke all the time"? Really?

Give out actual research references, not based on your own thoughts.

he askd why he was smoking in the cinematic and not the splash and a rioter did say that it was because he smokes just not all the time. You're off track lol.

Vistha Kai5 votes

Provide a proof or be downvoted into oblivion.

BeatzBoyFTW3 votes

Riot's reason was, as I have commented it in case you're blind, **significant risk of censorship or age rating problems in various regions based on the depiction of tobacco usage. **

My point was what's the point of removing the cigar from his splash art when tons of 5 years old has already watched the latest cinematic trailer of Graves with his cigar on. "Because he doesn't smoke all the time" is not even a solid reason to let Graves remove the cigar from the trailer when kids wanted to watch it again.

The Trent1 votes

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Riot's reason was, as I have commented it in case you're blind, **significant risk of censorship or age rating problems in various regions based on the depiction of tobacco usage. **

My point was what's the point of removing the cigar from his splash art when tons of 5 years old has already watched the latest cinematic trailer of Graves with his cigar on. "Because he doesn't smoke all the time" is not even a solid reason to let Graves remove the cigar from the trailer when kids wanted to watch it again.

dude ur still on the wrong track we're talking about the cinematic here not the reason why its not in the splash art.

BeatzBoyFTW5 votes

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dude ur still on the wrong track we're talking about the cinematic here not the reason why its not in the splash art.

......my god you're hard to make sense.

http://www.static.riplive.it/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/fp5.jpg

The Trent1 votes

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......my god you're hard to make sense.

http://www.static.riplive.it/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/fp5.jpg

what does dragon ball Z have to do with this.

Slaaneshine4 votes

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BeatzBoyFTW5 votes

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what does dragon ball Z have to do with this.

.....

http://i.imgur.com/102jrMK.jpg

Zarxis17 votes

Is this hypocrisy, ignorance, lack of consistency, or a combination of all of the above? I'm not sure, but I do know that it's disgusting that Riot damages their game for all of us for the sake of some foreign censorship. One of the primary reasons for my partial shifting to Heroes of the Storm is that Riot refuses to add humanoid skeletons to their game (HotS is about to add the Skeleton King, Leoric, and there's already a skeleton-themed map); Graves' cigar is just another casualty of their current policies (while Gragas' alcohol abuse and cigarette remain as proof of hypocrisy/lack of consistency/etc.).

doom bot 82 2 votes

not to mention the river king can break all the bones of a woman's body but graves can't have a fucking cigar. i kinda moved from this game due to that reason and ALOT more.

Tolfor20 votes

And yet here you are, browsing the League discussion boards and staying current with newly-announced champions so that you can keep talking about it.

I Main Swain8 votes

must have a different definition of "moving on" where hes from

BladeSteel8 votes

And according to lolking he played a game yesterday...

Avios15 votes

Not to mention how nearly all female champions have busting boobs popping out about 3 feet in front of their bodies...

(not that I have much of a problem with it, but it gets old having all female skins and champions like that)

magic pole34 votes

Jinx Tristana Poppy RekSai Quinn Annie

ecneregilleb28 votes

Anivia Cassiopeia Diana Fiora Irelia Kalista Kayle Leona Lissandra Lulu Lux Nami Orianna

Kamiroo Wolf5 votes

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Anivia Cassiopeia Diana Fiora Irelia Kalista Kayle Leona Lissandra Lulu Lux Nami Orianna

Nami got some til ol' bitties tho ;3

Cassie is a solid 6 >:0

Kayla has......OTHER assets...under that armor... ;3 (Aether Wing)

^As does Fiora

DeusVult8 votes

And Irelia

Frostbutt

IYuck FasuoI1 votes

and Janna's quotes and all the tits in splash arts

I Main Swain13 votes

don't know that I would have included cass...

JazzPolice23 votes

RekSai is NAKED!! No clothes... you have to pay money to put clothes on RekSai once her Pool party thing comes out. It is like a reverse stripper, shows up nude and you have to pay for her to get dressed.

RemTheMaid1 votes

lmfao and Zyra only has leaves covering her body!!! WHY NOT PUT CLOTHES ON?!?!?!?!

Noam Braumsky3 votes

She's a plant?

I Main Swain6 votes

his joke ------------------------------>

your head

supes the lost2 votes
Noam Braumsky1 votes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law

Sorry, I'm bad at internetsing. summoner 6

RemTheMaid1 votes

dont seem like it to me its more like she wants plants to cover her body T-T Zyra she has to have a skin and have actual clothes...

NinjaToad996 votes

Well, they want to make all new splash arts the same, so in countries where cigars are VERY illegal, they wouldn't be allowed to have it there and still have LoL there. So they just removed it while it was still a WIP on the PBE. But older splashes already have alternate versions for those countries, so why change it?

I Main Swain1 votes

if I remember right, they don't do skeletons because in some regions that is extremely taboo with the culture.

Zarxis3 votes

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if I remember right, they don't do skeletons because in some regions that is extremely taboo with the culture.

Which is why other games (WoW and DotA2, for examples) create alternative (covered-up) versions of said skeletons. Riot's excuse is that such a practice would take time away from creating more content for all regions, but that's a pretty thin veil they've thrown up over whatever keeps them so bound to China's censorship laws. I don't want to believe that this policy is something Riot actively supports (that they actually think it's a good idea to neglect other countries because of specific attributes of one), but if it isn't, that would suggest that Tencent is forcing Riot's hand as their primary shareholder (or publisher, owner, whatever).

Salt Miner 49 Er7 votes

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if I remember right, they don't do skeletons because in some regions that is extremely taboo with the culture.

It's only taboo in China. Guess who owns Riot Games Inc? Tencent.

Guess where Tencent is from? You guessed it Billy, China. It's the same reason why Valve changed the Skeleton King in Dota into the Wraith King. Partly because of mounting copyright issues with Blizzard-Activision (They had to change Windrunner into Wind Ranger, change the Skeleton KIng into the Wraith King and all of the Spirits from Pandas into humanoid looking fellows), they were forced to turn Ostarion/Leoric into a spooky ghost.

I'm all for political correctness. But when you have an oppressive legion of "Feminists" (QUOTATIONS ARE FOR SARCASM, KIDS) and people who get "triggered" by skeletons due to their religion when on the other half of the world (i.e. Mexico), the Dead are actually CELEBRATED and REMEMBERED instead of treated like some kind of untouchable thing.

I mean shit, if Riot were really going to go full political correctness left wing appeasement (I mean, they ARE in the hive of scum and villainy California itself, no offense to the good people living out there), they'd change Alistar from being a Minotaur into something else because the Hindis consider Cows sacred. Hell, while we're at it let's just take every female character and put them all in full suits of clothes or armo-- Oh wait.

See the hyperbole?

Doctor Dyment4 votes

So.... you quit League because Riot decided to remove a cigar from a champion, and refuses to put a human skeletal structure in game? And... you are also qutting because they did it for foreign reasons? How do those red white and blue footie pajamas and sleeping in our flag instead of a blanket feel?

Zarxis2 votes

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So.... you quit League because Riot decided to remove a cigar from a champion, and refuses to put a human skeletal structure in game? And... you are also qutting because they did it for foreign reasons? How do those red white and blue footie pajamas and sleeping in our flag instead of a blanket feel?

I never said I quit League; I said I've been spending time on HotS (partially due to Riot's censorship). Can you not read? You must be too busy producing/"product testing" Chinese-made, cheap plastic sex toys in a sweatshop. How does sleeping under rags in the streets of Beijing instead of in a bed feel?

Doctor Dyment3 votes

Uh... okay. Really helping the American stereotype there with your ultra-nationalism and over the top patriotism. I bet Bush is your favorite president huh?

Zarxis1 votes

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Uh... okay. Really helping the American stereotype there with your ultra-nationalism and over the top patriotism. I bet Bush is your favorite president huh?

You're not helping present yourself as a rational, intelligent human being by not reading my comments correctly and proceeding to needlessly insult me instead of attempting to actually provide a counterargument. I'm making fun of the fact that you're insulting me because I have a problem with foreign laws degrading a game that is played in many regions that do not have those laws. You look like you're defending Chinese censorship laws. Have I said anything about 'Murka being particularly great by comparison? No. I mentioned that Heroes of the Storm and DotA2 have both dealt with this issue appropriately, and both of them have sizable playerbases in China (along with League)— LoL is the black sheep in that it forces Chinese censorship upon its worldwide playerbase (instead of providing Chinese assets/censors for the Chinese playerbase).

How's summer treating you, champ? It must be great now that school's out and you can spend time insulting people while failing to display moderate reading comprehension.

Enflame2 votes

I find it funny that you give him your "Chinese sex toy" crap and then proceed to tell him not to insult you based on his views.

Zarxis3 votes

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I find it funny that you give him your "Chinese sex toy" crap and then proceed to tell him not to insult you based on his views.

You do realize I did that to mock him, right? He hasn't actually shown that he has any views; he simply attacked me by suggesting that I'm some sort of crazy patriot just because I don't agree that the Chinese censorship laws should be applied to every League region/server.

I find it funny that you're wasting time pointing this out.

taran466441 votes

Is Karthus not a humanoid skeleton?Karthus

The Trent17 votes

Alright frienderinos all you guys have to do is go Here - http://imgur.com/a/9n0iG - < click on it and download all three images.

Name the large spash art "Graves_Splash_0.jpg", the loading screen art "Graves_0.jpg", and the small square "Graves_Square_0.png" and copy all of these into the air client asset files (Riot Games\League of Legends\RADS\projects\lol_air_client\releases\0.0.1.117\deploy\assets\images\champions), and be sure to replace the new art after they put it in.

Be aware that the file path may be different for you and the "0.0.1.117" may change when the client updates

For all you whiny hoes who want his cigar back

schlagsahne1 votes

May god bless you!

What Is Smite2 votes

Gragas is smoking a MonteCristo, Graves has a Cuban. Graves is more of a Badass than Gragas

Kamiroo Wolf14 votes

This is why we can't have nice things.

Tamur3 votes

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This is why we can't have nice things.

Aye

Enflame2 votes

What I don't get is why everyone is making such a big deal over this and hating on Riot. Sure, censorship isn't good. But I don't see why some people NEED cigars and skeletons in their mobas.

Zarxis6 votes

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What I don't get is why everyone is making such a big deal over this and hating on Riot. Sure, censorship isn't good. But I don't see why some people NEED cigars and skeletons in their mobas.

Does Gragas need to drink alcohol? Does Evelynn need to be dressed provocatively? The answers to both of those questions are technically no, but those tropes (booze and seductiveness) are part of the characters. Gragas could chug magic freezy-Freljord apple juice, but if Riot made Gragas do that, he'd lose part of his identity. The same would occur if Evelynn was changed to dress like a nun.

The tobacco/cigar removal marred part of Graves' identity (we know he smokes due to the cinematic and original splash art).

The skeleton censorship prevents Riot from ever using humanoid skeletons in their game at any point, which is an obnoxious artistic restriction. Humanoid skeletons are a popular fantasy trope; Riot's refusal to allow them in their game is a waste of potential (and, as previously stated, a senseless imposition of one country's laws on everyone who plays this game).

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