Udyr mini-rework idea

krazanas··3 votes·2,329 views

So, considering the fact Udyr is one of the desperate candidates for a rework, I'm coming with a band-aid solution which could temporarly fix his main issue: he doesn't have an ability which scales with stats/level/etc instead of points. They are usually maxed last and leveling them up has benefits, but they do just fine with one point in it. I like to refer to such abilities as "one point wonder" (picture garen's W, Akali's shroud, Darius' and Mordekaiser's pull etc). Majority of juggernauts have such ability - Udyr doesn't. In fact, he has to choose leveling up either bear or turtle second, making the other option nearly useless for the whole game. My solution to that is - make either turtle or bear a "one point wonder" - This could be done by giving udyr more movement speed early with less scaling on bear and setting the duration of ms buff to a static value of 3 for example. Or by adding some sort of hp scaling to turtle's shield. Bear's main issue is it needs levels in it to actually do something. Lvl 1 is just a bonus on hit, the ms buff is non-existent because the leveling it up increases both duration and strength of the buff, so simply setting the duration of the buff to a static 3 would be fine if you were looking for something minor to give him.

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Zlera3 votes

I think Udyr is absolutely fine. I love him being an auto-only champion like he is, it makes the game more fun. You can have your opinion I suppose, but hes absolutely fine

Pumpedhero1 votes

Desperate... Udyr is fine..... Alot of the people like udyr and nobody really thinks hes in dire need of a rework at all. Don't know at all who thinks udyr should be this way, but he is 100% fine rn.

krazanas3 votes

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Desperate... Udyr is fine..... Alot of the people like udyr and nobody really thinks hes in dire need of a rework at all. Don't know at all who thinks udyr should be this way, but he is 100% fine rn.

Udyr is not fine. And people thinking he needs changes are people which actually invested their time in playing him, especially in ranks higher than silver. He is a noob stomper because people have no idea about vision in lower ranks. And vision is a hard counter to him. You can literally make him completely useless for the whole game by warding. And the fact you have a special pocket for wards which refills automatically makes it an incredibly easy task. Mid to late he is even more useless, because you don't have tools to close the gap between you and the enemy. And to wrap things up: https://clips.twitch.tv/SpeedyAgitatedDiamondTooSpicy If udyr is fine then why can't a pro player, a jungler for one of the best esport teams in the world, the MVP of summer LEC split 2019 utilize his kit? After all "Udyr is fine"...

Pumpedhero1 votes

Because he got outplayed and he also doesnt understand how udyr works at all. udyr isn't a chase champ till mid-late, hes not even a big fighter late, he specializes in pushing and distraction, while having tools to deal with other people if they come.. In this clip, He followed for like a whole 3 minutes, AT LEVEL 3. he got greedy with the flash, then was counter flashed, and kept on trying to greed, the biggest problem with udyr is not his mid, or his late, because those are both decently strong, its how slow it is to get him to actually scale into the game because hes not an ability only jungler that has damage he can throw out, u have to be in people's face to proc ur AA's with tiger up.. this guy u CAN SAY AND OPINIONISE him as the mvp and as a good player, but even if u look at faker and u put him on somebody he doesn't know how to play that well, hes gonna look like an idiot.. not as much as an idiot like other people look, but since hes a pro player, in this example faker, hes gonna look like he knows what hes doing but not exactly because he doesnt have the experience on the champ to back it up. This guy could've walked and flashed through the krug wall to secure lucian but no, he tunneled soraka at full hp and went all the way around, wasted his flash, got KITED which is a weakness for udyr, SPECIALLY EARLY AT LEVEL 3.., and then proceeded. You can watch somebody that actually knows the champ, I dont know who else even plays udyr on a competitive level besides Trick, but if you watch trick play him, he pulls off all the stops and shows why he can abuse udyr and what makes udyr better than most other champs in the game.

krazanas2 votes

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Because he got outplayed and he also doesnt understand how udyr works at all. udyr isn't a chase champ till mid-late, hes not even a big fighter late, he specializes in pushing and distraction, while having tools to deal with other people if they come.. In this clip, He followed for like a whole 3 minutes, AT LEVEL 3. he got greedy with the flash, then was counter flashed, and kept on trying to greed

Outplayed? He tried cutting out the enemy escape like any jungler would do, flash over a wall for lucian wouldn't change anything (let's ignore the fact you didn't noticed lucian flashed over there too). Literally any other champion had a double kill over there. And he wasn't even greedy. He was in his own jungle (that you most certainly didn't noticed too).

the biggest problem with udyr is not his mid, or his late, because those are both decently strong, its how slow it is to get him to actually scale into the game because hes not an ability only jungler that has damage he can throw out, u have to be in people's face to proc ur AA's with tiger up..

Scale? Udyr stops scaling at the moment he puts his 5th point in tiger/phoenix, that is lvl 9. He can't afford building damage because he can't survive long enough to get to enemies. He doesn't scale at all.

this guy u CAN SAY AND OPINIONISE him as the mvp and as a good player

This is not my opinion. He literally got an award for being the MVP at LEC.

but even if u look at faker and u put him on somebody he doesn't know how to play that well, hes gonna look like an idiot.. not as much as an idiot like other people look, but since hes a pro player, in this example faker, hes gonna look like he knows what hes doing but not exactly because he doesnt have the experience on the champ to back it up.

It doesn't matter if you are faker, him, or even a game dev. Udyr doesn't provide tools to do anything. He capitalizes on mistakes, and the higher you climb the less mistakes enemies do. Experience on such a basic champ has nothing to do here. It all is game knowledge.

This guy could've walked and flashed through the krug wall to secure lucian but no, he tunneled soraka at full hp and went all the way around, wasted his flash, got KITED which is a weakness for udyr, SPECIALLY EARLY AT LEVEL 3.., and then proceeded.

Again, lucian had Flash

You can watch somebody that actually knows the champ, I dont know who else even plays udyr on a competitive level besides Trick

I actually did my research and can name multiple Udyr OTP's playing in high elo. One of them got pissed off at the game and went to WoW classic.

but if you watch trick play him, he pulls off all the stops and shows why he can abuse udyr

That's all game knowledge and years of experience. And still half of the time his disrespects end with him dying. Trick is NOT a good source of knowledge if you want to play Udyr and the fact people always bring him up pisses me off

and what makes udyr better than most other champs in the game.

It took me that long to write this because I was laughing so hard I couldn't type. If Udyr is better than most champs in the game then why pro players consider him useless? Why he has no play rate on pro scene whatsoever? Why he has such low presence in high elo? And why high elo Udyr mains consider the champion trash?

Pumpedhero1 votes

Okay so, the break down here, yes he did get outplayed, he made a really bad call with the cut off, and even if lucian had flashif he flashed infront of lucian with bear on even if lucian flashed, he would've stunned. Greed doesn't even pertain to location or even just kills, it pertains to the CALL you make.. at which he was greedy and didnt just go with what he could secure because he doesnt know udyr. Udyr absolutely has more potential than his points show, as you only see him as a bruiser bc the champ obv isn't for you ive already seen your records u have a 50% almost neg kd, in the grey. Playing udyr like hes this bruiser that just 1v1s 1v2s is just wrong because thats not his job, you're literally so mistaken its laughable. He provides tools for almost EVERY situation u can be in. OTPs ultimately are bad, if u OTP a champ u should literally just leave the game.. theres not really many OTPs in the game SPECIALLY in high comp, which trick isn't even a OTP he still plays other champs. Trick is definitely a decent source of knowledge because hes one of, if not, the most experienced udyr in the game. His disrespects are for streaming purposes 99% of the time its for the audience, just because hes a famous figure for udyr doesnt mean hes not a good source and frankly the internet doesnt care about your opinion since facts > opinion. It took me long to write this since I actually have things to do besides circle jerk people on the forums. pros find him useless because pros go for flashy broke champs, because thats what wins the games when they can abuse them. u say he has low presence but his WR is highest in high elo, if they consider the champ trash, guess what, its probably not their champ bc they wouldnt be saying that otherwise.

krazanas1 votes

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Okay so, the break down here, yes he did get outplayed, he made a really bad call with the cut off, and even if lucian had flashif he flashed infront of lucian with bear on even if lucian flashed, he would've stunned. Greed doesn't even pertain to location or even just kills, it pertains to the CALL you make.. at which he was greedy and didnt just go with what he could secure because he doesnt know udyr. Udyr absolutely has more potential than his points show, as you only see him as a bruiser bc the champ obv isn't for you ive already seen your records u have a 50% almost neg kd, in the grey. Playing udyr like hes this bruiser that just 1v1s 1v2s is just wrong because thats not his job, you're literally so mistaken its laughable. He provides tools for almost EVERY situation u can be in. OTPs ultimately are bad, if u OTP a champ u should literally just leave the game.. theres not really many OTPs in the game SPECIALLY in high comp, which trick isn't even a OTP he still plays other champs. Trick is definitely a decent source of knowledge because hes one of, if not, the most experienced udyr in the game. His disrespects are for streaming purposes 99% of the time its for the audience, just because hes a famous figure for udyr doesnt mean hes not a good source and frankly the internet doesnt care about your opinion since facts > opinion. It took me long to write this since I actually have things to do besides circle jerk people on the forums. pros find him useless because pros go for flashy broke champs, because thats what wins the games when they can abuse them. u say he has low presence but his WR is highest in high elo, if they consider the champ trash, guess what, its probably not their champ bc they wouldnt be saying that otherwise.

That's it. You just proved that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and went from discussing about the situation and the champion straight to insulting me. There is no point in prolonging this discussion...

Pumpedhero1 votes

Insulting you? I haven't insulted you at all in any point besides saying the circlejerk part, which that belongs to the ENTIRE boards community. you insulted me earlier and literally did nothing but harassment. and its okay, the argumentative part was over before when u shown you didn't have the proof or evidence to back up the statistics.

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