I post some Eve's VU idea from dA. For sure she needs longer hairstyle that doesn't float - we have enough floating hairstyles in game, her hair should move like she is really fast (wind efect). I added skin concept. ^^
RiotIronStylus20 votesNeat.
Question:
Would people like to see clothing on Evelyn or more integrated biology that mimics clothing ala Elise or Zyra?
ploki12223 votesPersonally, I like the idea of clothing. Her sexy/barely dressed look gives her a "just outside of your reach" feel which is also conveyed by her stealth.
EDIT : By looking at other comments, I should've said vestments instead of clothing. I don't see anything wrong with her having metallic boob protectors, as long as they're dark and revealing.
Flintfall11 votesDefinitely clothing, just human enough to remind us how unsettling and dangerous she really is.
Thryale4 votesYeah, my vote goes to clothing as well. Eve is supposed to be only part vampire, not some twisted conglomerate of darkness. (even if her soul is)
EDIT: oops, meant to reply to ironstylus with this, XD I'll repost it as a reply to him.
Mirage Night3 votesYeah this is where I would like to lead her
MyAccountYouGuys9 votesDefinitely clothing. Zyra is a plant and Elise a spider, neither of which are known for wearing clothes. Eve is, in so far as we know(seriously where's the lore at?), a person of some clothes-wearing species.
HigeR2 votesyes I'd be inclined to more integrated biology since it leaves space for more rampaging blatant nudist sexiness xD (nami....) as someone said already, a-la mystique on the x-men movies who happens to be lizard-y and coincidentally blue ._.
Lord Graves III2 votesTo be honest, I don't like that look on Elise, and it only works for Zyra because her character and attitude are distinctly inhuman, whereas Elise is supposed to be a wolf in sheeps clothing.
I like clothes on Evelyn unless there is a strong thematic reason to avoid it. I feel like clothing could add to the "on the outskirts of society" aspect of Eve. Shes this frightening thing that could be anyway. It could be that person at the busstop, she could be following you home after you leave work. She can strike at any moment.
But so much of what makes Evelyn is unknown. I feel you guys could realistically go either direction as long as there were sufficient thematic behind it to make it work.
Had you told me Karthus was going to become a pope instead of an archmage I'd have been angry. But I for one welcome the glorious deathpope that is Karthus.
Seriously, his update was awesome and the voice actor just killed it. :D
Linna Excel6 votesClothing. I think something like that could be interesting for a new character, but I think Eve should keep her clothing. I just think that there's more you can do for Evelynn with cloth. Tango Evelynn or Masquerade Evelynn wouldn't be as doable or look right if you go integrated biology.
Now if we are talking a separate skin for purchase, integrated biology be cool. However I wouldn't like to see that on the base skin.
Gixia15 votesWhile normally I wouldn't mind an integrated biology idea, I have to go with clothing for 2 reasons.
2, and this is the big one, Riot's previous attempts at 'integrated biology' simply don't instill much faith in me. Especially if you're listing Elise as an example, because until just now when you said that, I genuinely believed she was supposed to just be a woman wearing a costume. Even with you saying that, I STILL can't see anything but a fancy costume when I look at her. And Zyra isn't much better to be honest. If it wasn't for her ears, which look more animal than plant, she'd look like she was just wearing an outfit too. And if it's just gonna end up looking like clothing in the end anyways, you might as well just go all the way and give Eve a proper outfit.
smashington92 votesI feel like 
is a great example. Although hes not wearing a top I love how his lower half crosses and fades into himself.
GrawNA8 votesKeep Evelyn as sexy Shadow Isle hooker. Even Shadow Isles needs some fun time.
Adalore3 votesI would much prefer her in clothing. Practical but stabby death in attitude. Being a psudo undead whatever doesn't mean she "Grows" clothing. Maybe drop the heels despite the joke there about moving in them. I don't find them necessary for her identity and just seem awkward for anyone who fights in melee.
My general rule about high heels is "Only mages get them if at all...ever." and most definitely NEVER for melee range units. (leona go get your boots swapped out!)
PhailRaptor2 votesTbh though "heels" is kind of a vague term. It can be anything from sturdy boots to Stilettos. There is a right kind of heel for basically every female archetype out there, but if you choose the wrong one you earn facepalms everwhere.
For example, SC2's Kerrigan. Being part of the Zerg Swarm, you'd expect her heels to be claws, right? After all, the Zerg are evolved killing machines. Vanity is, at most, a means of camouflage. So why then is Kerrigan standing on a pair of super long coffee straws? They should be a pair of serrated talons able to change their angle so as to provide grip and sure footing on any surface, and of course the obvious, yet another weapon at her disposal. Filling a similar archetype, Zyra's heels are intended to be thorns, seeing as she's a plant. Imo they fall short, but I can at least tell that's what the intent was.
As for Leona... I think her heeled boots are close. Something about their shape bugs me, but not the fact that they are heels.
cshakes5 votesAs someone who's used heels, I think that none of the League's champions should be wearing them. You can't run in them, your balance is precarious, your legs will hurt and good luck doing anything athlethic. (I'm speaking of 2-3 inch ones, not stilettos.)
Leona's heels are just flat out ridiculous. If she were walking with the posture she has and the sword and shield she has, she'd fall flat on her face. Vayne would break her ankles tumbling. Elise wouldn't be able to walk. (She walks on long spikes attached to the balls of her feet.)
Sure, sometimes you can do impossible things because it'd be cool, but it shouldn't be overused. Ubiquitous heels just break willing suspension of disbelief.
Evelynn's shtick is seducing, so heels on her would be okay. Heels on non-mage/mobility characters just look bad.
CH1MERA2 votesActually, if you're "skilled" you can run in very high heels without problems. It's about balance. But I agree, mostly they don't fit. Eve could have awesome heels made of bones like on second art and that would be cool. Floating mage can wear heels or has no boots, because it doesn't affect her. But tank on heels? It's harder to stay tough on heels, much harder. No way. But I think they should stay with short heels because it would make a lot of ppl happy. ;)
A Superb Villain2 votesI think a mixture would be nice.
Clothing is a must for Evelynn, as it would be too drastic a change from her initial design. However, since she is affiliated with the Shadow Isles, giving her clothing an ethereal feel, like it could be a part of her biology would be an enjoyable concept. Thresh is a nice example; his coat seems as though it is an actual part of him, yet at the same time it is easy to believe he could take it off.
Hellioning4 votesClothing. I want to at least believe this is a conscious decision that Eve made to get dressed like that, as opposed to a Zyra/Nami-esque 'I naturally show off cleavage' thing.
moogle8902 votesMaybe sort of both? I could see her wearing clothes that are like made of shadows, mist, or something like that. It'd give her that mysterious feel i'd think.
DemiluniS2 votesIntegrated biology is cool, but not that mimics clothing, zyra and elise just look like they wearing a costume, if you'd go to the direction of mystique from Xmen it would fit eve much more
Thryale2 votesYeah, my vote goes to clothing as well. Eve is supposed to be only part vampire, not some twisted conglomerate of darkness. (even if her soul is)
ArcticSirius2 votesI'd like to maybe see an integration of the two? Some parts clearly clothing, but other more biological. Take the VU represented above. Has clothing, while the heels take the word "literal" very seriously.
Neo Cyrus6 votes[deleted]
CryoJazz3 votesI think the whole feminist argument holds some weight when it pertains to league of legends. In a way.
Kinda,
Hear me out. And it's only prevalent in Riot's older champions before they smartened up.
Like, Janna per say, what about Janna's lore and character makes you think, oh. "She sounds like the kind of gal that gives implied blowjobs and wears lacking clothing!"
Clothing really isn't a big deal. Until it directly clashes with the character's lore. Like Pre-VU Sejuani. Battle hardened warrior that rides a mighty boar wearing that kind of "armor"? Naah mang. I can definitely see where you're coming from but it all seems like a blind distaste and you're arguing against nobody really. Evelynn, though. Skimpy clothing seems to fit the bill just fine. But it becomes an issue when majority of female champs are depicted that way. One instance where I feel either a retcon to lore, or a VU is needed most is Caitlyn.
What part of Piltover law enforcer makes you think Big hat, short skirt, or whatever the hell she is wearing. Look at all the other Piltover champs, okay. Now back to her. What? It's just an offset, y'know. I'll say it again.
It's okay if the lore makes sense in what the character chooses to wear and act.
It's peachy if the lore doesn't directly act against in what the character chooses to wear and act.
But it is not OK if within the lore it make no sense at all why the character chooses to act the way they do in game. In what they wear and what they say.
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And I think that's what the feminists are trying to say.
JayceSeeMeRolin2 votesI like the idea of clothing as well, if she were to not have clothing it would give a strong mystique feel to it which isnt bad but to me feels like she's nude ( hey maybe a skin idea)
Mirage Night1 voteshttp://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4262449
More or less what I was thinking.
The Ruined King2 votesI think something like what Elise or Zyra has would be cool, sure, but I also like the whole evil scantily clad seductress thing she's currently got going on right now. If I had to have one over the other I'd say clothing, but I can't say I wouldn't mind the latter. I love Aatrox's infused 'body armor' thing that he has going for him.
John Berserk6 votesI would have to go with clothing for Eve.
However, if she's not going to be human (or entirely human), then I dont think she should be wearing human clothing. What I mean by that is her clothing should give hints and nods to whatever kind of "culture" she derives from (if any). For example, if she does remain from the Shadow Isles, and she was someone who was alive back in its heyday, then perhaps she should wear clothing that people back then would have worn, just maybe more "modernized" (by Runeterra standards), and intentionally made to look seductive (assuming that's a trait she ends up keeping, which I'm personally hoping for).
You know how back when...I believe it was when the Trundle VU came out, during his Q&A, it was either you or someone else on the art team had said something about designing Champion's weapons to almost be identifiable characters themselves. For example, Trundle's big True Ice club, or Draven's spinning axes, or Riven's giant runic blade, etc. Well, what if for Eve, that was her clothing? I don't mean to use it as her weapon (but maybe you could if you can find an interesting way to do it??), but rather as her main or secondary indentifier, her recognizable visual trait that almost has as much character as Eve herself.
Honestly if you look at her skins, the clothing on each of them are pretty unique to her, and they have been pretty influential in terms of her public image and character to the playerbase, so maybe there's some room to change her outfits a tad more to make each one for each skin something special?
Thunder Dreamss5 votesI'm pretty sure you could work her trailing ribbons into Hate Spike somehow, animation wise. A flick of the wrist sends the razor sharp silk ribbon to slice her foes? Along the same line her e and (crit?) aa's could involve wiping the razor-silk-ribons to slice enemies.
Jingerbeardman2 voteshmmm... a bit of both actually... lower half integrated upper half more clothing... or perhaps i should say lower half more skin tight upper half more garment oriented.
Jesus is Savior2 votesI want clothing because "biology that mimics clothing" is usually made very revealing (eg: Zyra), and Eve already has enough super revealing models (I actually have the tango skin because it's the least revealing, covers a lot of her skin, and actually looks good without making her look like a stripper)
Thunder Dreamss3 votesAt risk of being down voted into oblivion, is it too much to ask that female champions get real clothing? I love her kit but I really really hate hate her art.
Every bit of her art from the fetish/underwear splash art to her absolutely horrid animation just offends me. I get that she's supposed to be a sexy succubus but something like this would be much better, both in terms of garb and pose.
Her animation is even worse than her splash art because I have to watch it all game and I've played allot of Eve. 65 Ranked games this season alone. She's supposed to be deadly, right? I can forgive the heels, succubus and all, but the way she holds her weight so awkwardly and pinches her toes inwards, she'd just asking to get thrown off balance and killed.
She's supposed to be deadly and seductive at the same time, right? In the first minute or so (before the interview starts) of this video we can see how a real fighter keeps her weight under control at all times, never throwing it out or going off balance. Granted Eve isn't a grappler but this should be her physicality. I'm confident it would be plenty sexy to meet the succubus half of her concept with something a little more form fitting than a gi.
3mptylord3 votesThe idea of a body the mimics clothing is cool up until the point that it's mimicking a bikini.
3mptylord3 votesThe idea of a biology that mimics clothing is cool up until the point that it's mimicking skin-tight, relatively featureless clothing (unless you count leaving a boob-window/having a bra a feature). I mean, Zyra's design is cool, but you can hardly call leggings and a bra "clothing" (especially when Blackthorn Morgana has a dress made of vines). That said, I think Evelynn would look better in clothes.
Engrailed2 votesI think it really depends on the direction her theme/character goes in. For instance, how is Evelynn related to the Shadow Isles after her rework/VU?
If she's the only surviving member of the once-royal house that previously ruled the Shadow Isles before it imploded due to some as yet unknown catastrophic event, then give her some decaying and decadent raiment to illustrate her former station and currently low status.
Was she ever human? If not, then maybe altered biology is the way to go instead. What element defines her? Is it shadow? If so, does she have a defined shape 100% of the time or no? Maybe she could borrow design accents from some of the Twilight Realm creatures from Twilight Princess for reference (just as one example).
Or maybe her backstory is a mixture of these two. Maybe she wasn't ever human but is still some kind of royalty or high station within the Shadow Isles. She could have a crown or a cloak of shadows (if Shadow ends up being her defining element).
Overall, I really think knowing the direction her story will take ends up being the most important thing governing her overall look and theme. Any ideas about that at the moment? Is it even feasible to ask this question or is it something the team won't share 'until it's ready?' She definitely occupies some interesting creative space.
BTW, thanks for the fist bump at Pax East. :-)
Talith PA2 votesBoth! Make her like Bayonetta! Fully dressed and stylish sadist with weaponized hair that doubles as clothing.
CH1MERA1 votesI think she should have Mystic from X-Men style corset and tight, black leather trousers + heels made of claws/bones (like on second art). She needs a lot of details like long ears with piercing, maybe 3rd eye from second art, long nails. Give her some jewelery to make her feel sophisticated. Maybe few parts of leather armor? She needs that assassin and dark elf taste in her look. Also make sure her movement will be seductive (I think she won't be bondage fan after all so that will be nice for old players). She could stay sexy in the way she moves and talk when she isn't vulgar by her look.
ModWulf Helhammer1 votesmaybe 3rd eye from second art
I did not realize that was a third eye 0_0 I thought that was a gem or some kind of jewelry lol
67chrome3 votesAs cool as integrated biology cloths would be on Evelynn - I really like the fact she kicks people to death with her over-the-top boots. Gives her a fairly unique combat style animation-wise and a pretty interesting and unique set of weapons. She also makes a fair deal of references to her boots/heals, so it's something I associate with her.
Especially compared to biological weapons - I'm pretty sure more champions have firsts/claws as their weapon than any other weapon type. More mages tend to have glowing magic hands than wands or staves as well, and at a certain point I want to see champions like Draven, Thresh, and Sejuani that have very unique/unusual weapons.
That said - an integrated biology thing like what X-Men's Mystique or Starcraft's Kerragan have going for them seems fitting for Evelynn, but I just don't see how she'd keep her crazy boots with that. And I'd really like to see her boots play a bigger roll in her fighting style.
MAZZ1M01 votesClothing I think is a better idea. Going with an ethereal -otherworldly elegant look would suit her very nicely, I think. Right now, she reminds me of a stripper. :\ (Not necessarily a bad thing, but probably not what was intended.) The "just out of your reach" essence is better captured in elegance and as an otherworldly creature of the night -it would better suit her.
AthenasVendetta1 votesin all honesty, each champion should be unique... I wouldn't want a similar skin or style to Elise or Zyra.
She is after all an assassin as such I think she should have more functional clothing especially considering she is highly mobile and more tanky than some.
We could just draw ideas from the movie Trilogy "Blade"
After all its scary enough to have a Evelynn suddenly appear in lane.
Aazor Ahai 1 votesI think that she should have more intergrated biology that mimics clothing because shes so weak with the stuff she ahs on now she looks help less
ModWulf Helhammer3 votesI love that VU idea! I don't play Evelynn, but that just looks beautiful!
Linna Excel3 votesI really love her dominatrix look. However a catsuit with a long ponytail would be pretty good as well.
vfd423 votesWhat I really want is clothing that doesnt make her look like some dominatrix/stripper. I get it if shes supposed to be revealing but just make it look functional is all and not entirely devoted to fanservice. The second image in the OP is really something along the lines of what Id want to see. Something like Jack from the Mass effect series. Revealing but not degrading.
Morvrannis3 votesThat second redesign...wooo...like that.
cHAncEman12922 votesI'm surprised I haven't seen the more obvious question. But if integrated biology was a possible avenue -** what biology are we talking about?** Zyra is a plant. Elise a spider. But as it stands Evelyn's current costume doesn't have any cues to suggest anything that one would see in nature (other than perhaps troll babies or smurfs).
Could folks elaborate on possible "biology" cues Evelyn could be pushed toward? The only think I could gather is perhaps some sort of demon or maybe even a succubus. Even then I'm curious where the integration would apply.
PhailRaptor2 votesIt would kind of depend on where Riot wants to go with her character. If she's a demon of some sort, she will most likely have claws and talons. Leathery "armor" as part of her body would not be out of the question.
IAintDarius2 votesimo that spike on her heel looks real stupid and impractical.
