We have a Thornmail but how come no Mirror Shield?

Sir Jungle·Jan 11, 2017·4 votes·842 views

Just wondering how come there aren't any Reflect AP-damage items?

23 Comments

Spicy RiceJan 11, 20176 votes

Probably because

A. Skills shots

B. It's less consistent

C. Mages don't really have a way to heal back from damage

SambersJan 11, 20171 votes

Vladimir , u wut m8, Swain he must be trípping tho...

Spicy RiceJan 11, 20171 votes

Congrats, you found the exceptions to my blanket statement, want me to change it to "mages other than vlad and swain don't really have a way to heal back from damage" ?

SambersJan 11, 20171 votes

I was making a meme..

Spicy RiceJan 11, 20171 votes

I apologize [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

fatyboomboomJan 12, 20171 votes

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Probably because

A. Skills shots

B. It's less consistent

C. Mages don't really have a way to heal back from damage

I've thought that before but spicy rice is right. Plus being able to buy an item that can reflect mage ults back at others ruins the idea of a champion with a flashy and powerful burst ult.

TheMinezJan 11, 20173 votes

Karthus Presses R and hits tab to see enemy builds Karthus : "And I just 1 shot myself"

Forhonor321Jan 12, 20171 votes

what if he already died before though?

Denims Wrath666Jan 11, 20172 votes

yeah NO. lemme explain why its a bad idea friend. see auto attacks, you can actually avoid doing. adcs understand that, and will try to poke you down with abilities if they have to. now here is my point. ready? Veigar . at some point in the game, he will have to decide if he wants to die to that ap thorn mail person. there would be no counter play to it unless you forced aps to go gunblade every game, making the item kinda useless in the end anyways. its just not a fair concept. especially if it was like, a mundo, with thorn and ap thorn mail... you couldnt kill him and he'd kill you by standing still.

tldr; bad idea.

RogueWillJan 11, 20171 votes

Veigar isn't supposed to kill DrMundo at any point of the game (assuming neither is overfed or underfed). If anything the item would be used on burisers/divers/assasins more than tanks, since tansk are meant to resit the burst of most mages

TerozuJan 11, 20171 votes

His ult deals true dmg, he can kill a low mundo dude XD.

TheMinezJan 12, 20171 votes

Magic damage, with the ap scaling and base damage going up depending on missing hp, like morg W.

TerozuJan 12, 20171 votes

That was before his rework, it's not an execute anymore.

TheMinezJan 12, 20171 votes

No. Before veigar's rework it scaled with the enemy's ap and his own, not taking into account their hp.

It has only ever deals true damage when Veigar has an Elixir of Sorcery, and that being the Sorcery buff it gives.

And which rework are you talking about? Are you talking about the one where they changed his Q from a point and click to a linear skillshot or are you talking about the Mage Update? For the mage update all they changed was that they made his ap stack whenever he hits an enemy champ with an ability and made his ult scale with percent missing health, eventually dealing double damage when the enemy is below 33% maximum health.

And before you try and say that I am wrong about this, look up his abilities and confirm that I am indeed correct.

Who is TaliyahJan 12, 20172 votes

Thornmail is easily countered by building lifesteal. A magic version of thornmail would have no counterplay as there are no items with spell vamp in the game anymore.

Pandemic PunchJan 12, 20171 votes

This

JunkοJan 11, 20171 votes

Yeah let's make tanks even more broken!

ImTheSideKickJan 11, 20171 votes

wasn't there one , well kinda.... on that map that no one remembers? hmm... what was it called...

CobaltTheMadMageJan 11, 20171 votes

There are more items that grant lifesteal for melee attacks than spell vamp for AP spells, as others have mentioned, so countering this would be nearly impossible. Plus it's a bit more important to have an item to counter unavoidable melee AA's than it is dodgeable ranged skillshots and the like, the latter being a niche to fill with champion abilities.

LooknookJan 11, 20171 votes

This is a neat idea. One issue with it is that thornmail is generally bought to try and counter auto-attack based Champions that life steal a lot. I do think it would be nice if tanks could buy an item to help against cosistant damage AP champs like Cassio in the vein of Randuins or Frozen Heart though. Something that made it so they could spam ablilties so hard like the other make ADC's auto less.

Pentium2Jan 12, 20171 votes

Because then Victor would kill himself with 1 spell rotation...

Well technically he would still kill your entire team with that rotation.

This Is Your DadJan 12, 20171 votes

Thornmail needs a buff. Master yi can solo a rammus with one lifesteal item. Or maybe I equipped the armor wrong? Actually, it seems anything except maybe the adc has been able to solo my rammus with thornmail without taking damage. Adcs get melted tho, except for graves....

Meep ManJan 12, 20171 votes

It would hard counter all DoT and AoE champions. Have at least 3 people on your team buy it and the fight becomes a 5v4 against a team with AoE Magic Damage characters.