As in like... the original Sion? Who wasn't just a copy of other characters, but actually different! And same with the original Karthus?
There should be both Sions if wanted....they need to bring back the other one!
LordDarkshayde3 votesOriginal Sion is garbage compared to the new Sion look. In fact his kit is even better now too. Karthus looks just fine the way he is and the only ugly female look I can think of is DJ Sona cause of that stupid fucking helmet Riot put on her.
Peridition2 votesHow exactly would Original Karthus be different from current Karthus?
SEKAI2 votesThe visible difference between current and old Sion is that, his left arm and lower jaw are no longer bones (replaced with some metals), the body size and the fact now he is intelligent enough to know which side of the axe is used to smash people's faces in.
That's pretty much it...
And the old Karthus is almost identical to the new one, it's just that he has some rotten skin now.
I fail to see the issue on their looks tbh.
dalphy081 votes^ how stupid would you have to be to have said that I wonder.... (no offense). I'll assume it was just to be funny!
As in, those aren't the only things. And the old Karthus isn't "identical", not even in the slightest bit. You can't even say almost.
SEKAI2 votesThe Sion's appearance change just doesn't bother me one bit, if anything besides his kit receiving an overhaul, I was only sad about the fact his old epic joke is now gone.
My only gripe about his look is his size and nothing more, the rest looks completely fine and in a way, stay true to the original design.
The new Karthus is as I said, almost identical to the old one besides the new Karthus is no longer living skeletons, rest is just fancier graphics. And there is nothing wrong with it.
dalphy081 votesBut there is something wrong with it because they deleted the old one, they don't let you have both.
And no, it does not stay true to his original design. You clearly aren't very smart if you can't identify that.
SEKAI1 votesSion's rework didn't completely change his theme so much he would need a Traditional skin.
He was a axe wielding undead warrior resurrected by a combination of magic and technology, and he still is. Therefore, he doesn't have a traditional skin.
Also use the reply function even if you're using chronological view, just delete the quotes unless there is someone in between you and the person you're trying to reply to.
GaleWinUnleashed4 votesSion did not even have an original theme or kit direction in the first place. Sure, he was a mighty Noxian warrior raised back from the dead. But he looked like a cartoon character. He was a mish-mash of abilities that didn't make any thematic sense, with a bunch of Ah-nold quotes thrown in.
Don't get me wrong, though. There are many players that loved old Sion. But most of them won't deny that he was a mess.
dalphy081 votesSion did not even have an original theme or kit direction in the first place. Sure, he was a mighty Noxian warrior raised back from the dead. But he looked like a cartoon character. He was a mish-mash of abilities that didn't make any thematic sense, with a bunch of Ah-nold quotes thrown in.
Don't get me wrong, though. There are many players that loved old Sion. But most of them won't deny that he was a mess.
Yes, he did have an original theme. And no, he did not look like a cartoon character in Splash art. Or really in game, I don't know what drugs you're on. You'd have to be really stupid in life to not understand the abilities and call them a "mish-mash". But I will be polite about the fact you are young.
GaleWinUnleashed2 votesIt's not really up for argument that Sion's old abilities did not make up a cohesive kit. He had two abilities that performed best when he built AP, and 2 that were more effective when building AD. Berserk axe-wielding juggernaut; shot magic eye beams to stun you. And he also had a magical shield that explodes, with no thematic explanation for it. The shield on his new kit is still a bit of a stretch, but at least his Soul Furnace is offered as a possible source now.
The cartoonish look I mentioned was largely a product of the old art style and modeling techniques when compared to the more modern style we have now. I'm not criticizing that, I'm just saying that League has evolved from the time he was first released. When he originally came out, he did in fact appear to be a hulking undead warrior relative to the other champions at that time. Essentially his model was just not aging very well, hence the rework.
dalphy081 votesIt's not really up for argument that Sion's old abilities did not make up a cohesive kit. He had two abilities that performed best when he built AP, and 2 that were more effective when building AD. Berserk axe-wielding juggernaut; shot magic eye beams to stun you. And he also had a magical shield that explodes, with no thematic explanation for it. The shield on his new kit is still a bit of a stretch, but at least his Soul Furnace is offered as a possible source now.
You are not qualified to judge the skill of Sion, because you possess no skill with the character. Maybe a bit, but that's only if we're being really generous.
GaleWinUnleashed2 votesI never made any sort of claim that I was skilled at Sion. I'm probably quite bad at him (though I still greatly enjoy playing new Sion). I am saying nothing more than that his kit did not fit his apparent theme very well at all, and that his art and model were outdated.
On a different topic, your attempts to attack me personally and judge me based on assumptions of my age, intelligence, skill level, and supposed drug habits do not bring much to this or any discussion. Could you please drop them and attempt a civil conversation?
dalphy081 votesI never made any sort of claim that I was skilled at Sion. I'm probably quite bad at him (though I still greatly enjoy playing new Sion). I am saying nothing more than that his kit did not fit his apparent theme very well at all, and that his art and model were outdated.
On a different topic, your attempts to attack me personally and judge me based on assumptions of my age, intelligence, skill level, and supposed drug habits do not bring much to this or any discussion. Could you please drop them and attempt a civil conversation?
Yes you did, when you said:
He had two abilities that performed best
You are not qualified to say in this discussion what abilities he has that perform best. Because you do not know how he works.
And I did not attempt to, I simply did. And you are making me bring them in because of what you're typing, you are the one not maintaining civility.
GaleWinUnleashed2 votes"Performed best" was intended to mean that he had 2 abilities with AP scaling. The other 2 were more useful for an AD build. His stun was certainly useful regardless of build, but that's part of the reason it was reworked; it was incredibly frustrating to not only be stunned, but also take several hundred targeted damage if he was building AP.
dalphy081 votes"Performed best" was intended to mean that he had 2 abilities with AP scaling. The other 2 were more useful for an AD build. His stun was certainly useful regardless of build, but that's part of the reason it was reworked; it was incredibly frustrating to not only be stunned, but also take several hundred targeted damage if he was building AP.
So are you saying that Sion is/was too OP before? Because I don't think he really was.
GaleWinUnleashed2 votesI wouldn't say that he was overpowered. If anything, I would estimate that he was a little on the weak side most of the time, but that doesn't mean he couldn't be hugely frustrating to play against. Solo laners with targeted stuns are among the most frustrating matchups in the entire game, even if they're overall balanced.
dalphy081 votesI wouldn't say that he was overpowered. If anything, I would estimate that he was a little on the weak side most of the time, but that doesn't mean he couldn't be hugely frustrating to play against. Solo laners with targeted stuns are among the most frustrating matchups in the entire game, even if they're overall balanced.
Then why did you say:
that's part of the reason it was reworked; it was incredibly frustrating to not only be stunned, but also take several hundred targeted damage if he was building AP.
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And no, they're not the among the most frustrating matchups. As a logical sane person would not get frustrated when they lose.
GaleWinUnleashed1 votesIt was an annoying matchup win or lose. Regardless of whatever else happened in laning phase, he was still going to stun you multiple times, and there was absolutely nothing you could do about it aside from just staying out of range. You could still win the lane phase just fine, but it was frustrating to know that no matter how skilled you were, you would still be stunned and take damage.
The several hundred (500+, I mean; I didn't offer a number for it earlier, so that's my fault) damage usually did not occur during the laning phase. Most of the time that involved building a couple of items first before it started to get annoying for the damage as well as the stun.
dalphy081 votesIt was an annoying matchup win or lose.
That is called Psychopathy.
Regardless of whatever else happened in laning phase, he was still going to stun you multiple times, and there was absolutely nothing you could do about it aside from just staying out of range. You could still win the lane phase just fine, but it was frustrating to know that no matter how skilled you were, you would still be stunned and take damage.
That, which you just wrote. Is generally a sign that you are not good enough at the game. And thus, that frustration will come. You should practice more and you'll see that what you said is wrong and more like needless complaining.
GaleWinUnleashed1 votesI freely admit I suck at top lane. And ADC. And I'm not a very consistent jungler either. But why does that mean Sion's old stun was not frustrating in any way?
And why on earth is any form of the word psychopath being brought into this?
dalphy081 votesHow can you not see that he doesn't need the traditional skin? Or at least the same feel? He had different abilities and a different look entirely...................I think you need to learn what League of Legends is.
SEKAI2 votesHis abilities have differences to original, that's entirely the point of reworking a champion, but that doesn't mean a rework would always come with a traditional skin, for example Yi didn't receive one during his rework because he shares the exact same theme with slight variation on the looks only.
Same thing happened on Sion. Yes his look is changed a bit, but his theme remains exactly the same, therefore he doesn't have a traditional skin.
Traditional skins come out when they change the theme completely during an update like Trundle's swamp to ice, Sej's bikini girl riding pigs to amoured lady riding boars or Karma's who I think went from yin yang to mantra (although similar but the ideas originated from different countries).
Also can you use reply? This is painful to read for those who uses the Discussion View, the only thing you will need to do is delete the quotes that come up when you click the reply button.
dalphy081 votesOh that reminds me, how come Yi is this gay look now? Same with many others...there needs to be the red splash for Cho'Gath again...and not such dingy looks ALWAYS!
And I know that his abilities are different, that's why they shouldn't delete the other old one when people actually liked that one....and no his theme does NOT REMAIN EXACT TO HOW IT WAS BEFORE, learn to look at the damn screen.
And as for Trundle, I can't stand that they got this whole gay ice feel to him now. That should be an optional skin...he never used to be like that back when he first came out. And they made twisted fate so gay... As well as other characters like Nidalee and Karma...
SEKAI1 votesYi looks almost identical to the old one, what's wrong with his look? The goggles are still there, the blade is still there, the 2 boot knives are still there, hell even the 2 rings on his blade are there too.
Sion's theme is exactly the same as before, conceptually wise. I thought we're only talking about champion look here? If not, old SIon sucks and they made him better, way better in fact, and it's simple as that. And no, while I was saddened by the fact Sion was now made into a tank, then until I played and mained him for a short while, with Tri-force and Hydra he is just equally terrifying as the old one who reached his late game. That's why I now hold Sion rework as one of the best rework in Riot's track record, alongside Yi's.
Trundle received a theme change and traditional skin are open for everyone who owned him beforehand, if you're saying that everyone should have access to traditional skin then I ask you. If you don't care enough to own him, or maybe you don't even know him before his rework, why would you even care about his theme change at all?
I would agree Trundle's change was unwanted, as an ex-main but I still got traditional skin, so I think it's ok.
EDIT: Also Rengar, Skarner, Sona, Soraka and Zilean all didn't receive traditional skin for their rework.
dalphy081 votesYi looks almost identical to the old one, what's wrong with his look? The goggles are still there, the blade is still there, the 2 boot knives are still there, hell even the 2 rings on his blade are there too.
Sion's theme is exactly the same as before, conceptually wise. I thought we're only talking about champion look here? If not, old SIon sucks and they made him better, way better in fact, and it's simple as that. And no, while I was saddened by the fact Sion was now made into a tank, then until I played and mained him for a short while, with Tri-force and Hydra he is just equally terrifying as the old one who reached his late game. That's why I now holds Sion rework as one of the best rework in Riot's track record, alongside Yi's.
Trundle received a theme change and traditional skin are open for everyone who owned him beforehand, if you're saying that everyone should have access to traditional skin then I ask you. If you don't care enough to own him, or maybe you don't even know him before his rework, why would you even care about his theme change at all?
I would agree Trundle's change was unwanted, as an ex-main but I still got traditional skin, so I think it's ok.
The only way Riot lets you play the old skin on Trundle is if I pay them. Why would i EVER want to pay them if they keep muting me for 40+ games etc. 30 over and over, and deleted my old account? They're relatively as stupid as you are. Or at least the new people who clearly don't know anything about LoL.
The new character for "Sion", isn't Sion. It's some mutated brainwashed pile of grasshopper shit that you kiddies are too blind to identify as being something different, basically no better than every other cliche retard that ruins this game.
SEKAI2 votesThis game involves either champion grinding or paying cash, if you dislike the idea of grinding champs you wouldn't be playing this game in the first place. And I don't see only allowing traditional skins to be obtainable by those who had the champion before rework is being unreasonable, it's a fan-service, and there's nothing wrong with that.
I am new? Well I have Judgement Kayle so there's that.
Do you know what old SIon was? He was that guy who either went AP and ran up to a squishy to instantly delete them while they were stunned for 1.5 seconds then proceed to be absolutely useless until the cd rounded back up, and if anyone survived his burst, he was boned. Or he was that guy who went AD and farmed the entire match to go ape-shiet in the middle of the enemy team as some aoe lifestealing killing machine with almost 0 mobility except to the one he was deleting.
He was way too situational, and there was nothing he could do that stood himself from others, so he was never picked alongside Urgot. There was a reason to why now he has a joke "So, uh, Urgot. We can't hang out any more. I'm cool now.".
The new Sion actually provides new things to him while keeping most of what he had, intact. You can't outright stun people or build offensive crit gears now, yes, but when building a mix between offense and defense on him he is still terrifying to behold just like before, only in slightly a different way.
I haven't read particularly into his lore, if there is any change to it, since well I kinda gave up on lore in this game so yer.
dalphy081 votesThis game involves either champion grinding or paying cash, if you dislike the idea of grinding champs you wouldn't be playing this game in the first place. And I don't see only allowing traditional skins to be obtainable by those who had the champion before rework is being unreasonable, it's a fan-service, and there's nothing wrong with that.
I am new? Well I have Judgement Kayle so there's that.
Do you know what old SIon was? He was that guy who either went AP and ran up to a squishy to instantly delete them while they were stunned for 1.5 seconds then proceed to be absolutely useless until the cd rounded back up, and if anyone survived his burst, he was boned. Or he was that guy who went AD and farmed the entire match to go ape-shiet in the middle of the enemy team as some aoe lifestealing killing machine with almost 0 mobility except to the one he was deleting.
He was way too situational, and there was nothing he could do that stood himself from others, so he was never picked alongside Urgot. There was a reason to why now he has a joke "So, uh, Urgot. We can't hang out any more. I'm cool now.".
The new Sion actually provides new things to him while keeping most of what he had, intact. You can't outright stun people or build offensive crit gears now, yes, but when building a mix between offense and defense on him he is still terrifying to behold just like before, only in slightly a different way.
I haven't read particularly into his lore, if there is any change to it, since well I kinda gave up on lore in this game so yer.
What you wrote really has no connection at all to the concept of Sion. I don't know wtf you're rambling on about. But Sion isn't what you claim he used to be, and no the the new Sion makes him just like every other lame character that is constantly abused. Not that I'd want the characters I view as lame to be gone (they're fun to see when people use them), EVER. It's just we don't need the fools ruining old classic characters that were partially underrated.
SEKAI1 votesHis shield is still there, hp stacking is still there, stun is replaced by 2 slows and/or a knockup so that's fairly well compensated, the only thing he actually lost is aoe lifesteal and that's pretty much it.
The aoe lifesteal was removed to give him actual mobility to engage, chase or disengage. The aoe lifesteal was barely used properly back on old Sion anyway since after he stunned someone when he was fed, everyone would just run away and since the stun lasted for 1.5 second, Sion at most could land 1 AA + a shield blast after running onto the target before he dashed away too.
It was pretty much only useful when pushing turrets and nothing else at all. Not to mention he and Nasus had some identity overlapping going on and because Nasus was simply more useful Sion was left in the dumpster for years.
Difference between the 2 champ was that, while Nasus couldn't effectively chase he could do at least better than Sion due to his slow lasted longer than SIon's stun, also because the fact that with mediocre chasing ability Nasus could force enemies to come to him by 3 shotting turrets one after another which Sion could not do unless he was so incredibly fed.
Which was near impossible to happen as Sion either went AP which has pretty strong early but didn't scale at all, or went AD so he would be absolutely useless for 30 minutes and possibly 5 minute OP'ness IF his team was already winning.
Sion's change only meaningfully removed his aoe lifesteal, while giving him more stuff to play around with. So yes, while he can no longer build into a second version of Tryndamere, he can still build like Nasus or the likes of Olaf and I personally don't see that being THAT bad.
It just isn't lame for me after I played with new Sion for a bit, almost everything is kept or at least compensated, while I get more stuff? Hell yeah.
If anything my only gripe about the kit is Riot's continuous systematic removal of single target cc, and replace them with skill shots to make mobility champs more OP. But that's entirely a different issue on its own, just for Sion rework alone, with everything considered, it is still one of the best executed rework so far.
dalphy081 votesHis shield is still there, hp stacking is still there, stun is replaced by 2 slows and a knockup so that's fairly well compensated, the only thing he actually lost is aoe lifesteal and that's pretty much it.
How is that lame of a change?
Are you talking about Sion? Because everything you just said is wrong. The stun is not compensated, and aoe lifesteal is not all that he doesn't have you blind idiot.
You can't get an answer from someone if you write something that stupid, not more I can say to that.
SEKAI1 votesWhat else is there in his kit besides the new and old SIon's passive, which are frankly, both equally useless as the old one never seemed to trigger at all and the new one is pretty much only there to deal the last blow, or you can use that to secure objectives when teams are fighting over it even when you're dead but unlikely to work all the time.
Otherwise, what else is lost going from the old one to the new one? Have you played with the new Sion for more than 3 times?
dalphy081 votesWhat else is there in his kit besides the new and old SIon's passive, which are frankly, both equally useless as the old one never seemed to trigger at all and the new one is pretty much only there to deal the last blow, or you can use that to secure objectives when teams are fighting over it even when you're dead but unlikely to work all the time.
Otherwise, what else is lost going from the old one to the new one? Have you played with the new Sion for more than 3 times?
Your opinion on his passive isn't required because you don't know how to use him.
And I don't have to have played for more than 1 time you stupid idiot. If you can't see what is ruined with the character at this point (via being brainwashed like every stupid pathetic loser at this gay nancy company that seems to have fired all the employees that were worth a shit in the world as well as the new gay white kids) along with almost every other character in the game, you're just plain out stupid. A typical trait.
SEKAI1 votesDon't know how to use it? Are you kidding me, The old passive was RNG there is no "how to use it", there is only "pray it kicks in".
The problem was, it only worked on AA in the first place, with a 40% rng that seemed to use a completely different algorithm to crit and it only blocked meaningful damage pre lvl 4-5 and non-existent for the rest of the game.
Too many gatekeepings to make it even remotely useful, that's why it sucked. And we now we got another sucky passive for a change, well one could argue that it's now more useful but doesn't change the fact both passive kinda suck.
First of all, you can look through my post history, you can see that for a fact, I am actually a Riot hater. But why am I defending Sion with my life? Because it's actually a very well executed rework, as I said, this rework and Yi's are the ones I hold the most regard of since they are both done exceptionally well, objectively with everything considered.
I did hate when a Sion rework was announced, and I did try him the instant it came out and was completely dissatisfied by the fact playing him as Trynda #2 is no longer viable and dumped him with anger. 2 weeks later I picked him up again and tried playing him like Olaf with slight changes, and I was completely blown away because I could still be a nightmare to the enemy team WITHOUT resorting his original gimmicky and unreliable styles of "OP for 10 min, useless 30 min" or "useless for 30 min and possibly OP for 10 min".
I can now cc better, I can still kill people and I can still wreck havoc in the middle of the teamfight. The only difference is I can no longer crit 1 shot while somebody is stunned (shield burst one shot is still there though, kinda), but to trade only that for a far more satisfying overall strength and way smoother power transitions I say that's a good trade.
If you're really into the old Sion's toxic (AP) or the pointless (AD) styles, then I am sorry you no longer get that. But as far as Sion is concerned, AP (sorta) and AD are both viable, you just need to build HP now as the carry style is removed but I really don't think it's that much of a compromise to get a better Sion.
He sucked, and was way too fkn situational, he needed the change. And he got it, he is now way happier, he got some mad cc and mobility while he lost 3 parts of old himself, which one is major (ulti), one was not intended at all (AP 1 shot) and the last one that barely even worked (AD carry), it really isn't a bad trade.
dalphy081 votesDon't know how to use it? Are you kidding me, The old passive was RNG there is no "how to use it", there is only "pray it kicks in".
The problem was, it only worked on AA in the first place, with a 40% rng that seemed to use a completely different algorithm to crit and it only blocked meaningful damage pre lvl 4-5 and non-existent for the rest of the game.
Too many gatekeepings to make it even remotely useful, that's why it sucked. And we now we got another sucky passive for a change, well one could argue that it's now more useful but doesn't change the fact both passive kinda suck.
First of all, you can look through my post history, you can see that for a fact, I am actually a Riot hater. But why am I defending Sion with my life? Because it's actually a very well executed rework, as I said, this rework and Yi's are the ones I hold the most regard of since they are both done exceptionally well, objectively with everything considered.
I did hate when a Sion rework was announced, and I did try him the instant it came out and was completely dissatisfied by the fact playing him as Trynda #2 is no longer viable and dumped him with anger. 2 weeks later I picked him up again and tried playing him like Olaf with slight changes, and I was completely blown away because I could still be a nightmare to the enemy team WITHOUT resorting his original gimmicky and unreliable styles of "OP for 10 min, useless 30 min" or "useless for 30 min and possibly OP for 10 min".
I can now cc better, I can still kill people and I can still wreck havoc in the middle of the teamfight. The only difference is I can no longer crit 1 shot while somebody is stunned (shield burst one shot is still there though, kinda), but to trade only that for a far more satisfying overall strength and way smoother power transitions I say that's a good trade.
If you're really into the old Sion's toxic (AP) or the pointless (AD) styles, then I am sorry you no longer get that. But as far as Sion is concerned, AP (sorta) and AD are both viable, you just need to build HP now as the carry style is removed but I really don't think it's that much of a compromise to get a better Sion.
He sucked, and was way too fkn situational, he needed the change. And he got it, he is now way happier, he got some mad cc and mobility while he lost 3 parts of old himself, which one is major, one was not intended at all and the last one that barely even worked at all, it really isn't a bad trade.
You don't know how Sion works. Everything you wrote is therefore invalid.
SEKAI1 votesYou know what, you don't know how debate or discussion works, because you can not get out of the idea that your point of view is probably not as right as you think it is.
You're in denial, you refuse to take in any idea that would otherwise shake your opinion, and you put up 0 effort to prove that why my idea can be utterly wrong and you're after all, the correct individual.
You can keep hating on the Sion changes, I don't mind. I will just say if Sion has to choose between his old self and new self, even with his heavily damaged intelligence I believe he would still take the new one in this case.
I hate Riot for many things, but Sion rework is actually one of the few things that is keeping me from putting them in the same bracket alongside nonsense like EA, Activision, Ubisoft or Bethesda.
Sion rework is really not as awful as you think it is.
dalphy081 votesYou know what, you don't know how debate or discussion works, because you can not get out of the idea that your point of view is probably not as right as you think it is.
You're in denial, you refuse to take in any idea that would otherwise shake your opinion, and you put up 0 effort to prove that why my idea can be utterly wrong and you're after all, the correct individual.
You can keep hating on the Sion changes, I don't mind. I will just say if Sion has to choose between his old self and new self, even with his heavily damaged intelligence I believe he would still take the new one in this case.
I hate Riot for many things, but Sion rework is actually one of the few things that is keeping me from putting them in the same bracket alongside nonsense like EA, Activision, Ubisoft or Bethesda.
Sion rework is really not as awful as you think it is.
The original Sion is a different character entirely. The reason I'm being harsh is because you don't know enough about the game to spot differences. And I don't hate Riot for the things you said, I like a Sion update and even asked for it too. I just don't like how it was done. That wasn't an update, they converted him.
And yes it is, because that isn't Sion anymore. No one knew how to play him, and that's why therefore everyone and anyone that contributes to the discussion on him generally is already an idiot. But they are a bigger idiot when they write stuff like "they're the same" or whatever. But just know that you already were an idiot to begin with.
SEKAI1 votesYou should really just go let out your thoughts and play him for a bit, as I stated countless times, besides them got rid of his ulti (which is a shame don't get me wrong), his AP 1 shot style which was never intended in the first place and melee adc style (which again is a shame).
But is that saying Sion is a full on tank now? A glance at his new kit would totally make anyone believe that, I was angry as I was convinced that they simply made him tank too.
But after a few games and tried building Olaf, who can carry like a god (but too bad Riot is intentionally keeping him weak now) without resorting to using the likes of IE or PD, then I realised "holy shiet this guy is good, really good".
The 2 versions really, besides building differently, if you look from the most general perspective without taking much details into thought, he really is still, basically the same as the intended scope of him being that tanky monster who kills everybody.
Sion was sporting a 0 point something pick rate, only beating Urgot who was the last man, and while having an extremely small player pool that was inflating his win rate, he was still sitting on I think 44-45%. It was not a matter of people not knowing how to play him well, NOBODY did, he was just plain out bad with no excuse.
Maybe you put him into work for a few games in either low elo or normal games, that is not changing the fact that he really was bad objectively. So they made him change, and they really did change him because let's be real if Sion wishes to keep his original kit completely, he would just end up as a Nasus/Trynd hybrid.
So they change the direction a bit, while keeping most of his iconic traits, they got rid of the unintended bits, they made him equally scary and still close to the original scope of his character. What's there more to ask?
dalphy081 votesYou should really just go let out your thoughts and play him for a bit, as I stated countless times, besides them got rid of his ulti (which is a shame don't get me wrong), his AP 1 shot style which was never intended in the first place and melee adc style (which again is a shame).
But is that saying Sion is a full on tank now? A glance at his new kit would totally make anyone believe that, I was angry as I was convinced that they simply made him tank too.
But after a few games and tried building Olaf, who can carry like a god (but too bad Riot is intentionally keeping him weak now) without resorting to using the likes of IE or PD, then I realised "holy shiet this guy is good, really good".
The 2 versions really, besides building differently, if you look from the most general perspective without taking much details into thought, he really is still, basically the same as the intended scope of him being that tanky monster who kills everybody.
Sion was sporting a 0 point something pick rate, only beating Urgot who was the last man, and while having an extremely small player pool that was inflating his win rate, he was still sitting on I think 44-45%. It was not a matter of people not knowing how to play him well, NOBODY did, he was just plain out bad with no excuse.
Maybe you put him into work for a few games in either low elo or normal games, that is not changing the fact that he really was bad objectively. So they made him change, and they really did change him because let's be real if Sion wishes to keep his original kit completely, he would just end up as a Nasus/Trynd hybrid.
So they change the direction a bit, while keeping most of his iconic traits, they got rid of the unintended bits, they made him equally scary and still close to the original scope of his character. What's there more to ask?
Hahaha. No.
And he's a pansy now just like you are.
He wouldn't end up as a Nasus/Trynd hybrid unless you're in stupid town.
bad arcade kitty1 votesEDIT: Also Rengar, Skarner, Sona, Soraka and Zilean all didn't receive traditional skin for their rework.
haha, i wish, it would be fun to scare people with the old soraka especially very old soraka
SEKAI1 votesI kinda forgot how she actually looked in-game tbh,
But I still remember her gud ol' splash art, oh dear, it's really something you can not unseen after you've put your eyes on it.
ActuallyArrow1 votesThey both look better than they use to. Least, in my opinion.
insaiyanbacca1 votesi do believe for sion you need to figure out what a total VU and rework is basically they took sion kept the name and changed everything else so deal with it
dalphy081 votesi do believe for sion you need to figure out what a total VU and rework is basically they took sion kept the name and changed everything else so deal with it
That's not a visual update. That's called getting rid of it from the program.
insaiyanbacca1 votesnotice how i also put rework it wasnt just a visual update it was a complete rework
Chaotic Reks1 votesugh, this kid again... STAHP
dalphy081 votes[{quoted}](name=NyX Reks,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=4nloExZy,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2015-03-25T17:31:12.168+0000)
ugh, this kid again... STAHP
What? I get that you maybe disagree with me....but I haven't said a single wrong thing since my first post on this forum.
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