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[CCOS] April results are here!

ModEchoing··8 votes·1,257 views

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Congratulations to the select few who participated and actually put up with my terrible ability to stay on schedule! The March CCOS is at an end, and it's time to announce the winners!

But first, your judges!

Echoing.

That's it. The only other judge disappeared.

I did a brief look to see if I could find anyone else who wasn't participating and would judge. No dice. If you're not happy with my scores, I strongly urge you to apply to judge the next CCOS. It's not good for just one guy to determine this stuff.

Nevertheless, here I am. So with that said, the winner of the April CCOS is...

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...hey wait a minute, there's TWO winners!

Leilani, a New Wave in Bilgewater, by Raxistaicho, and Wan'no, the Eternal Traveler, by THE RlVER KlNG, have tied for first with 105 of 110 points! I have no idea how THAT bot lane is going to work out.

In second place, Vyrda, the Rift Jumper, by Skylarke, with a score of 101/110 points! Alas, this is now classed as a bad future. Cue Vyrda rewind...

In third place, Almza, the Runic Liberator, by Arakadia, with a score of 99/110 points! ...no need to move heaven and earth for this though.

In fourth place, Rothniel, the King Under the Ocean, by iKratosKlayton, with a score of 98/110 points! Truly, a light even in the abyssal depths!

In fifth place, Vani La, Queen of the Culinary Arts, by Kamiroo Wolf, with a score of 90/110 points - inexplicably without a good neighbor review! Why?!

My scoresheet is here. As usual, I'll answer any questions, you can reach me at "[email protected]" if you want to judge, and I don't hate any of you, I honestly want you all to improve no matter what the scores may say.

I am already posting the next contest as you're reading this as way of apology.

I hope to see you again next month!

-Echoing

22 Comments

Ýones2 votes

...

1 point away from being at number 3.

THE RlVER KlNG1 votes

yes

i have been waiting so long

yes

give me a bit and i'll give you a nice long comment

and I would actually kill a man to see Wan'no and Leilani lane together

Billcurme1 votes

Wait, so my best score was my lore? Well, that's a first.

Nice to see the results up. Sorry to hear your other judge bailed/got busy/exploded. As for my two-cents, I'd just say take your time and do things at your own pace. Yeah, it's a little frustrating to see a schedule and not have it adhered to, but that's life. Just keep us in the loop, and most of us will be quite pleased!

I'll see if I can sharpen up another champion for this month's CCOS. Until then, congratulations to the top 6, well done everyone, and I look forward to seeing your future projects!

Cheers,

-Billcurme-

P.S. I laughed so hard when I saw your words on my GNB. Thank you for that little bit of levity.

Arakadia1 votes

I will comment my joy when I'm on a computer. Thanks for keeping this up despite the lack of judges! This is so cool.

AcidTheWarlock1 votes

I don't think my scores are too bad for my first entry. Glad to see I scored well where I did. Could I get just a brief overview of why I did poorly where I did, just to improve for next month?

If you have time and want to, very sorry that the other judge left.

This contest was really fun and you do a very good job on it month after month, so props to you and all the winners (and entrants)!

ModEchoing1 votes

For a first go, it was pretty good, yeah.

Syn'Reh's shortcomings from a mechanical standpoint are that he's a melee mage. It is a terrible combination - tanky AP is not as supported as tanky AD, and Syn'Reh has nothing to help keep him alive such as shields or healing. That means that whether you're top or mid, you've got trouble: most top laners are better duelists than you through either range or superior burst+staying power and can push you around, while mid laners most definitely have you cornered on poke but also back it up with the occasional CC. His passive is neat in that it wants him to bounce around and hit multiple people, but since his W is his only mobility tool and will inevitably get exhausted just jumping on the first guy, it's not likely you'll be able to achieve that goal.

In short, poor guy's just torn apart by contradictions.

From a thematic standpoint, the lore sells me on a guy who rips apart another guy's very psyche and reassembles him into a void creature as an unconscious, accidental process. The kit doesn't represent that as much, hewing too close to standard Void brutes like Cho'Gath and Kha'Zix. It's a missed opportunity, and not even one that contradicts good mechanical sense since you'd end up with more range and be overall more viable.

I definitely want to see more from you though, so keep at it.

AcidTheWarlock1 votes

Ok, got it. I think my next concept really takes the implementation of lore to the level it should be at.

BowieTheNifty1 votes

Hmm didn't really except to score so low on this one. Was it really that bad?

ModEchoing2 votes

Yes.

The lore was incredibly brief and would have been passable if we were still in Season 1. Six seasons later, our standards for lore have gone up. I'm not looking for the next great American novel no matter what River King might think (holy shit, man), but there's enough of a standard with Riot's current fare that two paragraphs, one of which introduces a nearly-extinct race and the other barely describes your champion, doesn't pass muster.

Skipper straight up has no tools compared to any other support. Your only ranged damage+CC is a slow that doesn't want to play nice with pre-established mechanics, creating arbitrary burden of knowledge while also depriving you of much-needed hard CC. Your other form of CC is a knockback that requires you to ram into people, when as a spellcasting support you have no money to buy tanky items to actually survive this venture. He has an emphasis on personal mobility, but this is honestly meaningless when you're missing out on ways to impact the fight when you get there. The ult is a game changer, but it's not really worth having Skipper for that ult when you could use literally any other support - Sona and Nami come to mind - and get more consistent value out of them all game long while still maintaining high-impact ults.

It's kinda funny since River King also did a roaming support. The major difference there is that Wan'no has a very real impact on arrival - even when he's not in a fight, he's setting up healing points for allies, while when he engages, he's able to help make allies engage or, with a well-timed E, banish people to another portion of the map altogether. When Wan'no arrives, he's either bailing allies out of trouble or helping them position into a better fight. When Skipper arrives, he gives a heal and then looks like a cute gremlin before someone puts the poor guy out of his misery.

I'd really recommend listening more to feedback next time. There were multiple people pointing out Skipper's general lack of ability to do anything, myself included. I'm still waiting for this Maladect fellow to show up, though.

BowieTheNifty1 votes

Perhaps I should of just changed him from a support to a mage. Maybe then it would of been a bit better for him as a character. Looking at it from that aspect do you think it would of been better? Well either way, we all have our goofs.

Maladect is on his way, literally that is going to be my focus for the rest of the night. Then I can get to work on my other projects that have been on the back burner. Which one I plan to put out after though is a mystery to even myself.

Raxistaicho1 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/RTo0ttpq-champion-concept-skipper-the-stream-hopper?comment=0002

I've judged from the CCOS several times and my opinions are usually similar (though harsher) to Echoing's. Not to sound like a smug asshole, but generally if I review a concept and go into depth with my thoughts, you might want to listen.

BowieTheNifty1 votes

No you guys arent being assholes. Trust me on that, sometimes I get so just...eh whats the word..headstrong? Maybe that isn't it. Still Skipper should of been a concept I took more time on rather then do an over night thing for him as well put more thought on the feed back provided...

Ýones1 votes

I recently started watching the LotR and Hobbit trilogies from start to finish. I think that's what shaped me into a huge LotR nerd, though I haven't red the books, which is a shame.

I'm surprised I got so high points even though it's an underwater erebor story. :d

Gamer Gallade1 votes

Im not really mad on the results of mine.

I know my lore is kinda lackluster but It can be more fleshed out and I really need to demonstrate the flow/fun on how it can really work out.

That's kinda my problem right now, I don't really showed a clear picture of my champion and how it can really work for both lore and fun factor.

Maybe next time, I can find a better way to flesh out this guy as a character and show how this champion can be fun for everyone to play.

Might do a fresh post of him with more art of mine/commissioned of the champion with a clear look of his abilities and a better lore to go along side with it.

Still, thanks for looking at this guy.

P.S. i don't want to be rude on the GNB but i remember putting a link on mine. Edit: Ok, Now i understand GNB. My bad. I'll put a link the next time i do this for the sake of both of us.

ModEchoing1 votes

Nope, just did another check of your post and I see no link to anywhere but your tumblr.

I even just now searched your post history and you have no posts on anyone else's concepts.

No problem though.

Gamer Gallade1 votes

I do hope to do this again in the near future and I will do some reviews on other the next time for the.

Hell, I might enjoy a good chunk of them when i put the effort on reading them.

Next time, I will and I hope you enjoy the lore.

And I'm a little surprised that i got a good number on design Implement.

Skylarke1 votes

Damn, so close yet so far...

May May be the right time?

THE RlVER KlNG1 votes

I am sorry I was not able to respond sooner, as I have been busy and lacked the time to sit down and write a nice little response.

cracks knuckles

{quoted}

Six seasons later, our standards for lore have gone up. I'm not looking for the next great American novel no matter what River King might think (holy shit, man)

It's kinda funny since River King also did a roaming support. The major difference there is that Wan'no has a very real impact on arrival - even when he's not in a fight, he's setting up healing points for allies, while when he engages, he's able to help make allies engage or, with a well-timed E, banish people to another portion of the map altogether. When Wan'no arrives, he's either bailing allies out of trouble or helping them position into a better fight.

To begin, aww, thanks, for some reason that made my heart warm to read.

Chief amongst what I wanted to put here is asking you if you had anything else to say about the Wan'no color piece. I realize it was a gargantuan piece of work and that the deadline may have factored into your brief response to it, but I must admit I was looking forward to hearing a little more from you about it. With the deadline long past, is there anything else you could tell me about it that you liked, disliked, noticed, etc.? I live for feedback, especially on my writing, and I would appreciate if you could be a little more specific here about what you thought about it. Thank you!

Secondly, congratulations to all the other winners, especially Raxistaicho. Wan'no was one of my most in-depth concepts, and I am glad that I entered him when I did and not the other champion I had been working on at the time, which I have shelved for the time being. Wan'no went through an absurd amount of iterations with all sorts of crazy abilities - at one point, I was all set to just make him Viatus' spiritual successor and really try to mold his kit around the portals mechanic. He used to have a healing aura toggle, and the first iteration of his E he would select a champion and burn them on a pyre, suspending them and dealing damage if they were an enemy or healing and rendering them untargetable if they were an ally. It was wierd as fuck and I scrapped it. He also used to be able to teleport to his Lost Memories at will on a low cooldown, but I felt that was much too strong. His ultimate, a doozy of an ability, went through many iterations as well, as I wanted to hit home the usage of his beads somehow. I wanted to do a lot of things with Wan'no that didn't make the final cut, but will most likely be seen in future concepts someday. I am a huge perfectionist, however, and I think that I may revisit Wan'no's kit someday, as well as many other past concepts of mine that I think I can improve. I am currently working on updating my past concept's tooltips, such as for Ebero. But I digress.

Anyways Echoing thanks for another fantastic contest and if you should so respond I'd just like to hear any other thoughts about Wan'no (especially his lore) that you had that you either couldn't fit in the Excel sheet or within the deadline. Thank you!

Ýones1 votes

Rothniel's ult used to be a literal Ryze ult for enemies (much longer range than Zac's new ult. Made that ability 8 months ago on the earlier version of Rothniel).

His ult also used to be a 4500 range permanent whirlpool-portal that allies could click on to channel on it for 2 seconds before they're teleported to another whirlpool. It was a Ryze ult on stereoids. I scrapped it because ally utility/mobility ultimates feel boring.

If you can share your scrapped concepts I can share mine. :v

Kamiroo Wolf1 votes

Eyyyy, Fifth place! Not bad! Imagine where I would have gotten with the good neighbour bonuses, they really do make an impact! Thanks to the judges ^_^

Congrats to all who participated and thank you for the opportunity! Looking forward to this upcoming month.

Billcurme1 votes

Hello again. I hate to impose, but I have reworked Seira's abilities in response to your critiques. If you, or anyone else, feels so inclined, I would be grateful if you stopped by and gave your opinions on the new kit to see if it better suits the needs of the champion while keeping true to her thematic. A link to the comment in question can be found here.

Cheers, and I hope to hear from you soon if it pleases you,

-Billcurme-

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

wasted almost a year of writting of Flame's lore. Got 1 point. welp... never asking for the opinion of strangers ever again...

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