Susan's (Nasus) heavy Q reliance. [an unhealthy kit]

Shining Steal·Aug 1, 2016·1 votes·658 views

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redfeenixAug 1, 20163 votes

I disagree. Nasus is a shephard and currently he fulfills that fantasy perfectly. He herds / farms sheep (ie farm minions with q). His playstyle is very zen and relaxing. He is one of the chillest champs to play.

I honestly think he is perfect the way he is atm. What changes in specific are you looking for? In my opinion he is in a great/ healthy spot.

He is VERY weak early and gets fucked up by almost everyone. And if he wants to just chill and farm all game he becomes strong.

Are you looking to cut off his infinite scaling? Or something else.

Shining StealAug 1, 20161 votes

Funny. In all honesty I find this fairly odd. I guess I'm living in my own imagination about Susan. But I find that he is a ticking time bomb, true I know of kindred and veigar, but the thing about veigar is that he has no escapes and he is squishy, while kindred has to work with her team to get her marks. Susan, while yes he has counters and all is that he is an actual time bomb, meaning that to successfully win against him, you must end the game early to win cause you may win in a one v one but once team fights roles around, and he has the proper items, I feel like there is no stoping him. But this is me, and my opinion all I can say is thank you for reading and your input.

Ravenous HowlsAug 1, 20162 votes

LOL WUT?! Viegar has no escape but Nasus does?! Oh, and Viegar isn't ranged and doesn't have a lane sized stun or trap that keeps you from engaging... right?! Kindred doesn't get free stacks in the jungle that does % max enemies health?! Nasus plays different than almost 90% of every other champion and forces champion to play different than the trade game that dominates the rest of league but this apparently is "no fair" or "QQ cancer".

Want to know why Nasus is balanced? It is because his whole kit is centered around one ability, his Q. He has one major damage ability in his entire kit and he needs his life steal because he has no way to stay safe or farm early without it. He has some of the highest mana costs in the game and can not reliably wither early to save him from hard engages all the time or use spirit fire to farm and stay relevant. He has plenty of counter play and healthy game progression. But I am sure it's not acceptable to use wave control, kiting, abusive early game or CC as counters against Nasus because that requires forethought and coordination...

If every champion was centered around one ability the game would be so much healthier but everyone prefers these champs with stat overloaded abilities that allows them to have CC, true damage or %health damage so they can destroy anyone at any stage of the game.

Nasus has 0 kill pressure early unless you are stupid and dive him under turret. He has a laughably abusive early game in which he can do nothing to anyone until he has around 120 stacks which is about 5-7 minutes into the game and your lane opponent will be harassing you and taking a healthy CS lead over you as well. He is stupid easy to to dive with jungle help and get first blood on before he has his 6. Late game where he is supposed to be unstoppable is a joke. If you have a decent adc and just a few slows you can easily kite him and destroy him if he's alone.

Point is Nasus fulfills his fantasy as a late game terror only slightly. If he was able to farm well and if his team is smart enough to help get him into yours so he can destroy you all. However if his team refuses to back him up or lost lanes then he can not win the game no matter how ahead he was. This is no different than any of the juggernauts really. If they get ahead you will be sorry but if not they are generally useless.

People really just need to get over it. Nasus is actually borderline under powered and needs a buff not a rework. Why not make a useful thread about real problem champs that are being abused because their overpowered kits? Rengar? Ekko? Zed? Malzhar? Lucian? Jhin? Oh, but wait! These are some of your the main champions you use!!! So this all comes down to you like getting free elo except when a champion who can get strong, like Nasus, ruins your parade from easily winning the game from lvl 1 -18? SMH...

Shining StealAug 1, 20161 votes

Funny, you had to go digging for your argument. But thank you for responding

Ravenous HowlsAug 1, 20161 votes

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Funny, you had to go digging for your argument. But thank you for responding

Make a blank account if you don't want people looking at your match history. Honestly it gives you credit though to post from your legit account. Most of my entire post was based on my extensive experience with the champion so I had to "dig" very little for most of my argument. That said you play some of the most abused characters in the game that are stat overloaded, safe at all stages of the game or can obliterate a target with nearly zero counter play.

Go look at my account. I am a Nasus main and not ashamed of it in the least. I do well against almost any match up b/c I took the time to master him not b/c he is OP. I lose plenty of games for the reasons I gave you above and win plenty b/c the player failed to respect my damage or abuse my weakness's properly.

Your entire argument is predicated on you not liking an infinite stacking character. IE- Sion, Kindred, Veigar. You offer to take things away but compensate him nothing in return. If this were a legit call for change you would have prepared constructive idea's to change him. You have offered nothing but tired argument that has been reiterated by many who also fail to see the issue is with how they play against the match up and not the champ himself.

Also why does every champion have to be a high skill cap? Why does every champ have to be so complex that it takes a typing wizard to play them effectively? RIOT has created a lot of diverse champions but the biggest mistakes is trying to rework them all into the stat overloaded monsters that have been roaming out of champ creation since they created Jayce.

Shining StealAug 1, 20161 votes

Yes, cause you only need one account. Again at this point it is whatever, so take it as a victory.

Ravenous HowlsAug 1, 20161 votes

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Yes, cause you only need one account. Again at this point it is whatever, so take it as a victory.

Many people make another account to complain about what ever but then not actually have any game data to support or validate their claims. I commended you that you used your own account but you are so quick to not speak to anyone's counter points except to come off passive aggressive and dismissive. Don't ask for peoples opinions or discussion if you are going to merely ignore anyone who's view is not supportive of your own. I didn't come to claim victory I came to argue in defense of my main champion and call out the lack of clear and concise argument for changes and ideas on how to supplement those changes if they were to become a reality.

LysejackAug 1, 20162 votes

ah, rito, removed comment, I see.

still, 1k stacks, gg. farm goal achieved.

Rustling BushAug 1, 20161 votes

i'd be happy if they start by increasing the cd on wither, by the time its over he'll have it up again in 2 seconds.

i just had a smurf (he said he was a smurf) a few games ago who was playing nasus, cause he dominated the lane he just ended up being able to nearly 1v5 the team and with the rest of his team it felt like a 9v5.

LysejackAug 1, 20161 votes

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Shining StealAug 1, 20161 votes

Wow, I liked your response until the last bit I mean wow dude. If you really think my post is just being bitchy when I'm just putting something out there that I personally feel that needs a change then I think you commented on the wrong board. But hey, you can use your time how ever you want?

BLACK REALM GODAug 1, 20161 votes

Nasus can actually survive without his q thanks to his armor debuff on E

OleandervineAug 1, 20161 votes

Nasus is almost the most easily countered champion in game. Teemo and Quinn obliterate him, because Q is useless if he can't hit with it; Any mage top lane like Lissandra, Ryze, or Cassiopeia will ruin him because they can poke him while he attempts to farm. Then there's CC, which denies him access to farm. And of course, he more than anyone, has too much difficulty farming under the tower. There's are tons of counters to Nasus, and so long as you don't let him farm unattended, he's easy to put down.