Is It The Junglers Fault?

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Idk, if you didn't pick that much up in the first place you wouldn't be poked, and im sure you were dived because you were low. And it's btter u roam or do something helpful and let the tower go, rather than sit there and be poked. But just my opinion.

well, it's the choice of being reported for being afk waiting an entire tower behind the current one (and losing all experience) or trying to preservere through the laning phase.

If you think tower diving is hard, that is indeed just your opinion. It isnt now :P.. and experience range is well shorter than most tower diving range

Idk, if you didn't pick that much up in the first place you wouldn't be poked, and im sure you were dived because you were low.

Firstly, this is a very common assumption that can be very, very wrong. Getting two-man dove can happen anywhere from full to no health, and getting single-man dove by assassins is so disgustingly common that this argument is better thrown in the trash than ever - ever - brought up. Now how would I know this for certain? Well, having played Braum who gets 30% incoming damage reduction for upwards of 4 seconds on his E with an additional armor/mr boost, I was dove 4 times by an Elise and a Renekton while at full health with my jungler farming top-side jungle. Please note it still took them 7-10 seconds to actually kill me, and both got out with relatively low health.

And it's btter u roam or do something helpful and let the tower go, rather than sit there and be poked. But just my opinion.

And this is the second point. "Doing something helpful" is entirely subjective as doing this particular action can still result in your team flaming the everloving shit out of you for losing your turret while also flaming you for going to their lane as you are essentially "leeching" experience and gold from them by being an additional body in their lane. You then also have a tendency to cause the lane to push much faster and with you being behind, it probably is not a good idea to drag your much-further-ahead laning opponent to another lane to watch that lane get crushed as well.

This is completely ignoring new minion mechanics as well in which losing a turret results in enemy minions being stronger, meaning that just blatantly allowing your turret to fall has global consequences to all your lanes rather than simply your lane being unsafe to push now and your laner roaming. You have now probably guaranteed your other lanes losing at this point.

In short: your opinion is simply wrong. While it can certainly be the laner's fault they've lost, it is actually just as likely the jungler could have done - and blatantly just did not do - something about that and successfully turned the tides. The matter of fact is that as jungler, you have not chosen a self-reliant and independent role from your team - you have chosen the "global support" role. You are trying to outdo the enemy jungler in how much you can empower your team to win, much like a support does their ADC. You are not removed from blame simply because you do not exist in a traditional lane. You can and should do everything you can to empower your team, and that is a judgment call you must make correctly.

No it is not easy. But if a Lee Sin sucks, having Lee Sin be technically difficult to play as does not excuse the fact that he is sucking massive dick. So no, jungle being hard does not excuse you sucking at jungling.

If you're wondering how I know this: Vi was one of my mains last season. I ran jungle an absurd amount. I even played a variety pack of junglers this season. Whether I want to realize it or not, I can tell when I fucking suck because I will have an immediate reaction when my toplane dies of "why the fuck am I so slow to help my lanes". Those are the guidelines you work under when you take the role.

Sad but true. Sad but fucking true.