I want to have a discussion with riot about the camera angle, and put forth my ideas, and actually get a responce stateing they will talk about it and exsplain why they feel the idea is good or bad and actually have a discussion. Anyone at Riot willing to take this up? I'll happily do a Private convo if needed just to keep the trash talkers out of it.
TaintedTaint2 votesA discussion really needs to be made about why they still don't allow us to change it.
Bolraguard1 votesIf one is willing to talk with me, i have plenty of questions and a few suggestions, but what i want mostly is to understand WHY they view someone is a good or bad idea.
Master Pounder1 votesFor the most part it doesn't bother me, mainly because i play jungle and no matter what side you are on if you have to gank going south then your view is limited in lock mode just as well. But what I feel the problem is are champs with long range skill shots.They definately have the advantage at blue side. perhaps another idea: if not make a new camera angle for purple, how about re-positioning your HUD to the top of the screen instead of bottom?
Bolraguard1 votesNot really a fix, and your hud should be the same no matter which side you are on.
The reason its not really a fix if because you are still limited in comparison to the other team, when you play a game and are locked mode with camera. Look at the mini map there is a white square that that shows you your view, the problem boils down to blue side can see you before you can see them when both players are locked screen.
Now riot believes everyone needs to play unlocked for some reason, but regardless of those thoughts they should still make the game fair the proposal I made does that completely from what I understand. I would like to know if anyone agrees with those changes or not.
The reason people think flipping the hud is a fix is because yes they will see more below them, but not much, truely.. not much at all. The amount view you are missing bleow your champion due to the hud is so minimal when compareing the large amount of view above your champion at all times. So the best option would simply be for Riot to impliment an idea that causes both teams to go attack upwardly in the direction.
VexingRaven1 votesThe last time this discussion came up, part of the reason was that the maps are only designed to be viewed one way, and that if you turn the camera, the map looks very unfinished.
Mansana1 votesThe amount of times purple side bot lane gave my eyes cancer. Sure I can switch camera to free mode but that leaves me at a disadvantage especially with 
who needs to move back and forth to catch his axes while maintaining view and distance of the enemy lane. Having to move the camera up and down really bothers me. Purple side bot-lane is the only lane that gives me camera problems that effect my gameplay. I'm no pro, so adjusting to this seems pretty harsh especially to newer players.
Daen2 votesSure I can switch camera to free mode but that leaves me at a disadvantage
I'm going to be that guy.
Free camera mode is extremely beneficial in essentially every scenario once you get used to it. I wholeheartedly recommend using it permanently, as it allows a player to have more control over his/her vision and awareness.
Regardless, I understand your choice if you decide to make it. I don't really see a reason to have locked camera in the game if it's not supported (e.g. camera angles/zoom levels). Personally (and I'm biased) I'd just do away with locked camera completely, but that's just me.
Bolraguard1 votesWell, i would do away with unlocked, unless a player is forced to press a button, since thats the main thing unlocked thinks is a good idea for locked camera players.
Mansana2 votesLol, your right learning to play unlocked felt natural. Like there are still times when I liked to switch on and off because I like focusing on my champ and seeing whats happening to him or her. However, unlocked helped me improve skill shots and map awareness. Like one time I got a really good engage on enemy blue team by getting a far clutch stun with Syndra which i wouldn't have been able to do without going unlocked. Thanks dude, going unlocked feels smooth and good after getting used to.
RiotKrylhos1 votesHey guys, let's keep discussions in the New Community Feedback sub-community focused around improving this experience.
Thanks!
Bolraguard1 votesHi Krylhos,
Thank you for taking the time to respond, Im not entierly sure what you mean by "New Community Feedback sub-community" - Its the sub community part that confuses me.
However, i will first request that if I or anyone else decides to get out of hand, please shut down this thread.(I will aplogize for for my total explostion that has led me to being banned from the forums a couple of times.)
To begin, The obvious difficulty for locked camera players is the blue camera angle advantage. When they are playing on purple team. Now a lot of people are feel very strong about this one way or the other, I however would like to hear Riots responce not as No we wont do that, but as why you wont, the best way to help us help you is to allow us to understand why something is how it is, and how the changes we are proposing would threaten that for everone and not make the field more fair.
Example one: (I will state right now myself i completely disagree with this suggestion but i am posting it as an example. I will post my suggestion later.
Relocking your camera position, This seems to be the goldmine in players heads as for a fix to the locked camera issue.
What is it: To relock your camera to any desired location relative to your champion. If you are playing purple adc/support as locked camera you have less view below you than above you, of which should be about 10% of the action, being ganks and such.
How does this help: It will allow players to choose where their camera is locked in relation to their champion and will give purple team players a greater view of the field below them.
Why I do not think this is viable as a fix: If you allow purple team to relock there camera, you have also made it do blue team co do the exact same thing, with that said a blue team player would only need to shift the camera more hevily into there favor to remove the entier purpose of this suggestion. If you make a change for one team that in itself is unbalanced. Any change should affect everyone equaly.
My suggestion:
What is it: Rotate the camera, not a 180* flip because then yes players will confuse top and bot very frequently when on purple team and cause greater confusion and frustration which would be a horrible thing to do. I suggest a 90* rotation that is purely optional. This 90* rotation would have purplr team start in the lower right corner and work there way up and left, while on blue team they normally work up and right.
How does this help: ONE . Top lane is still top lane, bottom lane is still bottom lane, nothing changes there.
TWO . Both teams have equal vision from the correct angles. I say this by representing mid lane for my description.
a. On blue team due to camera angle your view is slightly less from the Bot lane side river area. With my proposal purple lane would have the exact same vision restriction. Bot lande side of the river area. Both sides view would be less from there closest point.
b. When blue team is running back to base from top lane they can not see very well due to the camera angle, this would also be equalized to purple team if this is implimented as a fix. Mind you i am going for 100% equal teams as all times (Now ofcourse players can change that but the overall opportunity should remain equal.
THREE . This is an issue with Jungle creep location in general as an overall meta creation. Is this part of the camera angle, well not entierly but if im going to make a suggestion on equalizing the battle field im going to make a full suggestion not a half-hearted one.
a. Blue buff for Blue is top side, Red buff is Bot for blue side, and vice versa for purple. What i am suggestiong as a second part of the equalization is to have baron removed at the begining and place in a second dragon.
Bolraguard1 votesb. Why do we need a second Dragon? Well, curently the main reason bot lane is where the adc and support go (as far as I know) is because dragon is located shortly in the river from there. If top lane also had dragon, then warding both dragons would be important, making both sides of the map Top and Bot equal.
c. What about Baron? Well if we now have two dragons, then they could be used as place holders for Baron. I propose with this change that Each Dragon has three lives until Baron is spawned, which also means Baron could potentially be up on both locationas at the same time. Once Baron is killed it goes back to the three Dragons.
d. With the potential of the camera angle rotation and these changes I believe the sides would be considered both extremely equal. If not 100% equal and balanced.
(I had much more written out, however the forum did not let me know ahead of time about a character limit to my replies. So the rest of this replay will be summarized.)
What i mostly want from this is not a yes or no on implimentation, but weather or not this is a good idea that equalizes the field of battle for both teams. Would this make LoL Fair for both teams? If the idea is good, please let me know. If the ideas are bad please let me know, but with the bad exsplain WHY it is a bad idea, so I can see where my flaw is at with these proposals.
Help me, help you, in suggesting changes. I can not suggest something differant if I do not know why this does not work in the first place, and if it does work. Fantastic!, Lets do it!!
Thank you in advance.
Daen1 votesThank you for taking the time to respond, Im not entierly sure what you mean by "New Community Feedback sub-community" - Its the sub community part that confuses me.
If you look on the right of this window, you'll see a list of links to the sub-communities. These sub-communities are essentially the different sections of a standard Forum. If you click on New Community Feedback, which is the sub-community you posted this thread in, you can see the New Community Feedback Guidelines under the list of sub-community links. This is stated within those guidelines:
In this subcommunity, you'll find the latest news & updates about the community beta. It's also the best place for you to share your questions, comments, complaints, concerns and cool ideas about the community platform.
Essentially what Krylhos is saying is that this thread is in the wrong sub-community, so the players reading this thread are not your target audience.
Hope that helps!
Bolraguard1 votesOk, which sub-community IS the right one? - Ideas and Feedback dont seem to have Riot posters. Atleast i got a responce here.
Daen1 votesIdeas & Feedback would be the right place.
Keep in mind that just because Reds aren't posting in a certain area doesn't mean they aren't watching that area. Also, the response you got suggests to me that it didn't further the goal you were looking for, a conversation about camera angles.
Bolraguard1 votesWell most players wont have a conversation about it, it's 90% My way or the Highway mentality. And those players refuse to put in any thought on WHY they think the way they do like i have done above, then it turns into a flame war and nobody wants to read those. So i want to discuss it directly with Riot. - Eitherway, did you read my suggestions? do you think this would make it more fair for everyone involved?