Camera Angle for locked camera, when will this be addressed?
NOTE: Any comments even hinting at Learn To PLay Unlocked will be reported for harassment as thats all it is when a locked camera player asks this question of Riot.
RiotLes Nomerables5 votesWe're actually looking into some features and fixes for locked camera (includes space bar hits) right now. By right now, I mean, right now. We have to be careful with major since Worlds are rolling up soon--and that can affect our release cadence--but I feel pretty good about saying that we'll be putting out updates to the camera in the upcoming patches.
Bolraguard2 votesRegardless of what happens I am thrilled to see your post. I most definetly hope you read the discussion between myself and MrBuffington.
Thank you in advanced for making my day a lot better as I had a pretty bad day at work. :)
Penteano2 votesIs that what RiotForScience is working on as he said here? http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=48010934#48010934 I just hope it will be something like that rather than a camera focused on SR, it won't really fix the problem if you guys do it focused on a single map.
Bolraguard1 votesActually it depends on "How' they focus on it.
But either way, what problems with the camera do you think they should be focusing on?
Penteano1 votesI'd like if they made a camera like in the videos above, would be more adding a new camera rather than chagint the locked one. I'm worried as he said "fixes for locked camera". The one in the videos (first post in the thread above) was awesome because it made the game a lot more agile and enjoyable (and modern, IMO). As a locked camera player I'd really prefer if they had it in that way because there isn't much you can do to "fix" the locked camera IMO. So I fear if they "fix" it it won't be enough.
I'm gessing they'll do it in a way that allow you to lock it wherever you want. This would work for lane phase in SR but everywhere else (and in team fights) you'd still have the old locked cam. Hope I'm wrong, but the way he talked isn't giving me much hopes.
If they don't get it right I can only hope Spl3en will work on lolcamera again. If I'm banned for using it won't make much difference as I'm not playing the game without that tool anyway... game feels too static without it no matter if locked or free cam =/
Hoi Im Temmo4 voteslearn to pla - .......jk.
No, I agree.
watbesh4 votes(Oops, it's not really about Camera Angle. But I keep this post.)
There was a thread, Locked Camera Discussion, started 2 years ago by boourns. I'm not sure they're still working on it.
Let me just put some of what I have posted and found in In-Game HUD Discussion community. Will be a long post, but it's about supporting this thread.
This is a part of my post in Locked Camera Discussion. This is about what you get right after hitting the space-bar. Oh, I'm trying to l2p unlocked. Please don't hurt me.
After looking over the map, or just failing in moving the camera to the correct position, I usually hit the space bar to have camera on my champion... If you do so, a Blue player would get somewhat 'okay' or 'good' vision right away, while Purple wouldn't. The same happens when going for a bot-lane gank (regardless of the team).
Also, a post (not mine) pointed out something about game-playing fun, not skill... and I totally agree.
the game itself becomes extremely unfun that way, and myself and many others do not like RTS games, not because they're hard and its hard to use unlocked camera but because its not fun. when i play league i want to play renekton, not "a guy who commands renekton around" and im sure im not the only one.
This is my post in one of those threads about purple locked camera. This post is about not-so-high level games.
"Just unlock camera" - I have seen this thing so many times... Yes, I suspect sufficiently skilled players can unlock camera without sacrificing any other skills at all (or, can anyone? I wonder.) But how about not-so-skilled players that perform by far more poorly with unlocked camera? Riot made a skill-based matchmaking system, so I suppose they are trying to let newbies enjoy the game, then this purple camera problem shouldn't be a thing. Can people still say that, "Just unlock camera" thing, to one (well, it's me) who thinks there are hardly any players that can unlock camera well enough?
And this is another post (not mine). This problem, more about purple team than locked camera, will be fixed when they release new SR map.
"Just Unlock" doesn't change the fact that blue has a better field of view than purple. The view is much narrower at the bottom than the top, so it takes more effort to keep the opponent in view. Additionally, the position the camera snaps back to when you press space is completely skewed towards giving blue a better view. Blue flat out has the vision advantage, locked camera or not.
MarhsallLee673 votesLearn to play unlocked.
You're only restricting your gameplay if you play locked. It's your problem, not Riot's, if you decide not to use the UI to your full advantage (especially since unlocking your camera literally only requires the push of a button).
Even if you're not playing a champion with a global skillshot (or even a skillshot that goes offscreen if you're on purple side), being able to free-cam gives you better clarity as to exactly what is going on, instead of just looking at a bunch of clustered champion faces on a mini-map, praying to rito that whatever they're doing, they're doing well.
Pronkeito2 votesYou're only restricting your gameplay if you play locked. It's your problem, not Riot's, if you decide not to use the UI to your full advantage (especially since unlocking your camera literally only requires the push of a button).
I'll just address this portion of your comment.
Fair enough, I'm restricting my gameplay.
It's Riot's problem when I decide to take my money elsewhere.
The act of unlocking the camera only requires a push of a button. Absolutely accurate. The act of playing the game with the camera unlocked requires far more. Whether you recognize it or not; playing unlocked requires the manipulation of a free camera and manipulation of the champ you happen to be playing. If that is all seamless for you, congratulations. But, I swear to you this is true, there are people in the world who do not possess the same exact skill set as you.
For example, I am willing to bet any amount of money that you are a much better free-camera player than I will ever be. I would also bet that I can string together a far stronger argument than you are capable. Naturally, I could take your approach and insist that you simply learn to argue better. Or that being a more persuasive writer and speaker makes life insanely easier and everyone should just do that. Even assuming that I am wrong about my strengths or your weaknesses; can you see how that is an idiotic approach to take?
I hesitate to speak for all so the thing I would like to see most is something that closes the gap between the immediate views afforded the locked-camera and those afforded the free-camera (lolcamera appeared to be on that track). I want to see a change that permits a better view when I am involved in a fight. For me, that is it. As far as knowing what is happening around the rest of the map - it only takes a single push of a button to free up my camera and look elsewhere.
NinetyNineTails3 votesCamera Angle for locked camera, when will this be addressed?
NOTE: Any comments even hinting at Learn To PLay Unlocked will be reported for harassment as thats all it is when a locked camera player asks this question of Riot.
If you don't like the real answer, nobody is going to be able to provide a satisfying one.
The game is designed for unlocked camera. It was NEVER designed for locked camera. It's a learning tool for new players. You are expected to eventually adopt unlocked camera. If you do not, then you will be stuck with a UI designed for newer players that DELIBERATELY restricts the number of UI variables you have to deal with and the information you have to process.
Bolraguard3 votesBecause its not an answer, See When I play on blue team with locked camera, I can play any champ and any lane. That is NOT the same on the purple team. So that is NOT the answer.
The sadest thing about comments like this one, is that you dont even know what my suggestion is. You have zero % clue on what I would like to propose as a fix for all players that are locked unless you have read my older posts from the old forums.
MarhsallLee672 votesYou seem to just be restating your complaint about the locked camera angle on purple side, but you have yet to describe any disadvantages that come with having an unlocked camera (aside from the fact that you feel it's easier to keep track of your champion on locked camera, which I can kind of understand. However, I play unlocked, and what I usually do is orient the camera in a position where I can see the entire lane- bushes, my champ, the enemy champ, as much as I can fit in- and just leave it like that until I need to change the angle accordingly. It makes for much better multitasking than if you were centered on yourself 24/7.) If you want people to stop posting "learn to play unlocked", then give them a reason to do so.
You have zero % clue on what I would like to propose as a fix for all players that are locked unless you have read my older posts from the old forums.
Why are you getting mad at him if the only way he could know exactly what you're proposing is if he stalked you on the forums? Is it so hard to use the copy-paste feature so people don't have to go searching through your forum history to find out what you're thinking?
Bolraguard1 votesWhy am i getting mad at him? Thef first thing he said was "If you don't like the real answer, nobody is going to be able to provide a satisfying one." That would require him to know the real answer, and people keep saying "The game is designed for unlocked camera." I have never once seen Riot state that. If they would simply do that, and make a statement that they have no intention of ever fixing a problem with the game that is very crippling to players. Then I would stop asking, However I would verymuch feel it s an Eliteist attitude on their part but that doesnt matter. I would simply stop playing the game, Again. (I just came back after about 1 year, or it atleast seems that long I really dont know how long it has been.)
The other part tho is part of the problem... "you have yet to describe any disadvantages that come with having an unlocked camera"
Lozier2 votesimo, you're so right. :(
Combat Chuck1 votesNot saying you shouldn't, but what do you find the advantage to playing locked screen? I've never been able to think of one other than it's easier... Do you just use it in specific instances? like while laning or running around the jungle or what? I haven't ever used it so I don't want to judge too early, but I just can't think of any reason to use it. So just thought I'd ask.
MrBuffington2 votesDoubleLift has said he locks his screen (holds down spacebar) during teamfights, it helps him keep focused/keep track of his character/positioning.
Bolraguard1 votesDoubleLift has said he locks his screen (holds down spacebar) during teamfights, it helps him keep focused/keep track of his character/positioning.
Well its nice to see that someone that is known understands locked screen atleast partially.
Bolraguard1 votesNot saying you shouldn't, but what do you find the advantage to playing locked screen? I've never been able to think of one other than it's easier... Do you just use it in specific instances? like while laning or running around the jungle or what? I haven't ever used it so I don't want to judge too early, but I just can't think of any reason to use it. So just thought I'd ask.
Well thats pretty mch it, it is easier for me to keep track of my champion. Now dont get me wrong, I do look around the map, so i know what im runing head strong into. But i would say 90% of my games i play locked screen, and I use Mini map a LOT to help me make desicions. - Normally im the one warning my laners of danger when im too far away to help.
Bolraguard1 votesBasically, it is easier for some players to manage since they know exactly where their champ is on the screen. The biggest problem is people have this idea that Locked camera on a player means not as much map awareness.. which i think is down right ludacris. Normallly im the one pining to the other lanes trying to warn them of incoming attacks. because i watch th emini map a lot unless in in a full out fight and trying to survive.
Anyone that that imediately thinks a locked camera player has ne map awareness, is unfairly putting that on ALL locked camera players. Im sure un-locked camera players are just as unaware. The problem is.. that its easier to claim that on a locked camera player, because they CANT see past the bottom of the screen too well.
Thats not the players fault, its a simply design problem that truely is not that difficult to fix.
MrBuffington1 votesThey're modifying the camera in the SR update, not sure if it'll fix the angle, but they are lowering the FOV while moving the camera farther back, so there's less fish-eye-ing (warping around the edges), but the total amount of map seen remains the same. I'm not sure if this will correct the problem you're talking about. Are you asking whether the angle for locked camera will be fully top down? I actually don't understand your question...I haven't played with a locked screen for a long time, I forget what it looks like...
Bolraguard1 votesThey're modifying the camera in the SR update, not sure if it'll fix the angle, but they are lowering the FOV while moving the camera farther back, so there's less fish-eye-ing (warping around the edges), but the total amount of map seen remains the same. I'm not sure if this will correct the problem you're talking about. Are you asking whether the angle for locked camera will be fully top down? I actually don't understand your question...I haven't played with a locked screen for a long time, I forget what it looks like...
Correct, they are modifying the view, but ti still does not resolve the actual problem, actually a large portion of the ideas the community comes up with are down right bonkers, but I have an idea that i have posted many times, but i never one got a Riot response. Sadly they do like to comment on skins and such which actually have no bearing on the game beyond purely cosmetic.
As for a full top down, no way that would be horrible.
If you actually want to know my idea please let me know and I will find the link or write it up again.
MrBuffington2 votesActually hearing your idea/what the issue is with the camera angle would be nice, since I really don't know what you're referring to when you want the camera angle fixed. I play with an unlocked camera, and I have no problems with the angle, so I don't know what the problem that arises is when you switch to locked screen.
Bolraguard1 votesThank you, your first person who actually cared even a little bit or maybe a lot. to ask that simple question. Here is the link to a previous post that has the main idea about the locked camera, and a little bit of other Ideas, that I believe would make both teams completely balanced.
And make sure to view it in Discussion view.
MrBuffington2 votesSo it seems like you're talking about the problem of starting on purple side, since on purple side you're starting near the top of the map, so, with the camera angle as it is, you naturally have less field of view near the bottom of your screen (this being especially pronounced with a locked camera)? I had a feeling this might be the issue you were referring to, but I wasn't quite sure if it was something specific to locked camera. I play unlocked and I still have this issue; I prefer not to play on purple side for this reason. I can understand how this could be a bigger issue with locked camera.
For locked camera specifically, I think they could just adjust where the center is focused, that way you actually have equal field of view all the way around your character (or gives the greater illusion that you do). I feel like I heard someone mention this in the SR update, but I'm not sure. I do often wonder about the strategic differences in the map, and why blue and purple side aren't actually equal (sure you can mention that both sides have advantages and disadvantages, but why not have them have the same advantages and same disadvantages, so the playing field is actually equal, not just approximately equivalent)
Bolraguard1 votesExactly my point, The 2 teams are not equal and the camera angle is just a larger part of it when playing locked.
What do you think about the idea to Rotate the camera 90 degrees counter clockwise so the view on purple is no longer from the bottom of the map, but from the right side? I believe making this player choice so that anyone playing unlocked is not forced into the change. But it allows locked camera players to see what actually matters to them.
Changing the locked camera center point would actually do more harm than good I think. So come to think of it as its just the wording. the "Angle" of the locked camera is NOT the problem. The Direction it points is.
MrBuffington2 votesI've actually thought of a similar thing (do you mean a clockwise rotation?), where the map is simply mirrored over the river so it always looks like you're playing from blue side, I'm not sure if this would be too confusing for players though, same thing if the camera was rotated. I'm sure we could adjust to it eventually.
Bolraguard1 votesOh please no, that "Mirror" idea has been tossed around a lot and i personally hate it. because it would be confusing to players.
by counter clockwise i mean this: Currently the Camera direction is pointing UP from the bottom.
What I am suggesting is to have a player controlled toggle that will change the direction of the camera from: Bottom - Up, To: Right - Left.. If this could be toggled with the press of a botton, I would love it. Much like spacebar toggles locked camera mode, if haveing Alt or some other (Player chosen) button that would toggle from the Direction a camera is pointing would make a world of difference.
You play unlocked, Lets say you were on purple team, and you could unlock your camera but have it simply point in the correct direction(In front of you). Wouldnt that make if more fun and entertaining? Im not trying to take anything away from unlocked. I simply want to enjoy the game as I play it. And with this toggle idea, it may actually help players that are unlocked also.
If this were to be implimented, id prolly start playing Support and ADC a lot more however right now, I refuse to play those simply because of the camera direction when im on purple side.
MrBuffington2 votesSo, with purple base now on the upper right corner, your change would switch purple base to the lower right corner?
As a general point, I would suggest you making this point in the original post, instead of inviting people to discuss a point with you when they aren't sure what kind of discussion they're even getting into. With all the trolls and toxic people on the internet, it is difficult to tell whether a post like this has a legitimate point, or if someone is just complaining about something that cannot be changed. I would make your point more clear from the beginning, you may get more attention this way.
Bolraguard1 votesWhich i have done in the past, and All i have recieved was, as you mentioned, trolls and toxic people. But you are correct That I could have done that, but essentially what I was hoping for and i know full well it is a long shot, but for someone from Riot to do just what you did. and Ask me what the idea was. It means that someone is actually considering reading a suggestion and replying about it.
Thank you very much for taking the time and actually discussing it with me.
However im still curious, do you think this would improve play for even unlocked camera players who play on purple team? Am i suggesting anything that might actually hurt an unlocked camera player since I dont feel I have suggested anything to make it more difficult for them, besides giving locked screen players a bit of a more fair field of view.
MrBuffington2 votesWell, maybe someone from Riot has seen our discussion, even if they didn't have the time to comment on it.
I think it could help, I think if it were a feature in the game (like some key to toggle view) that some people (even with unlocked camera) would use it, though I think a lot of people (myself included, I think I'm already too used to the map the way it is, having to switch back and forth between views depending on what side I'm on feels like more trouble than it's worth, at least for me) wouldn't bother. As long as it's a setting you can change, and not a view that's forced on people, I don't see an issue with it, but from a technical standpoint I wonder if it would be difficult to implement. I think if it were already a feature in the game, then there would already be at least some people who would use it, but since the game has gone on as long as it has without it, I worry it may be very difficult to get this added as a feature, especially since there doesn't seem that high demand for it (it seems like a problem that everyone's just gotten used to at this point). I guess it's worth a shot though, best of luck!
Bolraguard1 votesAye, thank you. And yeah technically unless nobody at Riot knows how to move a camera, its is actually very simple. I know this because I am making a game with some friends and I asked them about camera angles. They showed me how easy it is to move a camera.
Go on Facebook and do a search on "Raven Rock Digital" is in Fargo ND. You'll see what we are workig on.
But also, im all about player choice. I believe nothing should ever be forced onto a player.
Sadly, everyone wants to force unlocked camera on locked camera players. Thats forced and we dont like it. I have player LoL for a couple years now I think, and just as you mention you are " already too used to the map the way it is " Well im too use to being locked, and trying to switch kills me a lot more.
But yeah thanks for the talk, this is the first one that seems to be not a constant complaining but an actual talk.
MrBuffington1 votesHaha, I try, I used to play with locked camera, but I tried unlocked and ended up liking it more. It's all preference (good to know you've actually given unlocked a chance though, it's sad when people insist on playing a certain way without knowing what the other way is like. I used to be this way about unlocked camera and smartcasting too, but I tried them out, took a while to get used to it, but I ended up liking them. If it doesn't work for you, it's just how you play the game, no big deal)
I do like it when people who have been harping on playing a game a certain way suddenly get turned around when they find out a Pro player plays that way (which is why I keep the fact about DoubleLift playing with locked camera during teamfights handy. Fun fact, everyone talks about using attack-move-click as being THE way to play; DoubleLift doesn't do this either)
Bolraguard1 votesCorrect, they are modifying the camera, but they dont seem to want to fix the angle issue.
No, I do not want a top downmode because that would be horribly unfun to play.
If Riot actually responds to this post so i know someone their cares atleast a little bit to acknowledge this is a concern. Id be happy to write up my suggestion or find the link to it from their older forums where I have posted suggestions.
But what i mostly would like, is to give Riot the community suggestions and have them actually explain why an idea is good or bad.
See, we as the community of locked camera players want to enjoy the game just as much as everyone else. Sure our play style is differant but isnt everyones?
We want to help riot find a happy middle ground on the locked camera issue, but so far, none have tried to actually have a discution about this.
Bournes i thin it is spelled, was in a form posting that went on for 200+ pages i think. and his last posting was on page 27? Yes im randomly gussing, but you see my point. Ideas are being passed around, their is even a group of players stating if riot fixes the cameral angle, they have pledged to spend $4,000.00 or more on buying champs and skins and such. Thats how seriously bad this has gotten, their own player base is tellign them we will PAY THEM real cash for a fix to this issue, when this honestly shouldnt be an issue to begin with. I have tried other MOBAS, some of the newer ones. But they all have the same crappy cameral angle issue. (Except Smite, but they did a poor job balancing their champs atleast when I was beta testing they did...)
Angry Monster1 votesplease stop posting these threads. And learn to play unlocked. Riot has stated this is the way the game is meant to be played
knowing when to lock and unlock makes you a better player.
Funster1 votesI don't even understand your question... What's wrong with the camera angle? Why would you expect it to be different between locked and unlocked? What even needs to be addressed?
But yeah, you should learn unlocked. Some champions have skills that can be shot farther than your screen can even see. You're legitimately handicapping yourself depending on your champion. Also, stop being a baby, you baby.