Boards needs a "Whine and Complain" Section

Elijah Prophet·Jul 15, 2015·102 votes·3,130 views

I'm getting sick and tired of these boards turning into a host for venting your childish rants because something isn't the way YOU want it to be. Some people actually go to these boards to have a laugh, share an idea, or maybe offer a CONSTRUCTIVE piece of advice to Riot. League has around (70 million?) players. Can you even fathom the amount of reports and complaints they get on a daily basis? They have people working around the clock, doing the best they can to please every one of you spoiled brats; yet, all you do is yell at them. Well I think they do pretty damn well. I propose a "Complaints" section on the boards in an attempt to funnel all the negativity into one page so us pleased customers can avoid the cranky ones.

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air tigerJul 15, 201526 votes

That's where this post would be. SO META.

Elijah ProphetJul 15, 201513 votes

Lol I did consider the hypocrisy of my post, but felt it needed to be said nonetheless.

AnidanJul 15, 201510 votes

Hypocrisy doesn't necessarily mean your criticism is any less valid.

Anyway, I freaking love this idea. So many "balance" threads would be in there right now. Yes, I understand that Veigar feels like shit to play but that doesn't mean he's garbage right now. The faster we can move past the fact that "feels like shit" =/= "actually is shit" the faster we can hold discussions with actual merit.

BlastermineJul 15, 20154 votes

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Hypocrisy doesn't necessarily mean your criticism is any less valid.

Anyway, I freaking love this idea. So many "balance" threads would be in there right now. Yes, I understand that Veigar feels like shit to play but that doesn't mean he's garbage right now. The faster we can move past the fact that "feels like shit" =/= "actually is shit" the faster we can hold discussions with actual merit.

"Feels like shit but is actually balanced" is a failure of game design. We have real life for things like that.

ImNotOriginal7Jul 16, 20151 votes

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Hypocrisy doesn't necessarily mean your criticism is any less valid.

Anyway, I freaking love this idea. So many "balance" threads would be in there right now. Yes, I understand that Veigar feels like shit to play but that doesn't mean he's garbage right now. The faster we can move past the fact that "feels like shit" =/= "actually is shit" the faster we can hold discussions with actual merit.

Can you please elaborate on that? I always thought that if a champion feels like shit it's mostly likely because that champion is in fact shit.

AnidanJul 16, 20151 votes

In general, his is a case of outright power and control. He plays fine, for the most part, now after the reduced cast time on his E, but a bit clunky. His E was justifiably nerfed as a source of very long-range stuns that lasted for... a damn long time and were pretty easy to reliably land. However, with the change that, during the formation of his E, he stops dashes (not blinks), he still retains the clunkier feeling of the post-nerf E, but yet he is still fine despite that.

It's not a popular opinion to hold that a champion is fine after a major ability is nerfed, but it's one that is, at this moment, a truth. Even if Annie or Riven were nerfed, whether necessary or not to placate the board's bloodlust (though, let's face it: if they were nerfed (again), the boards would be happy for 2 days then seek out another victim or go straight back to them; even if they were to be deleted they'd just move on to the next champion to complain about. It's been that way since before the Boards, and from what I understand, since before I started about halfway through Season One.) they would likely be just fine. Remember, this is a community that calls for reworks when numbers are too high. This is a community that will claim a champion cannot be balanced because when a champion is nerfed then they become less played, as if that isn't the normal reaction people are going to have to nerfs, and that when they're buffed they're going to be overbearing as if there's any other goal other than to give them straight strength in a buff.

To many, people feel Veigar feels shitty because of the E nerf and the DFG removal. They feel the Q buff doesn't make up for it, despite the fact that his E now immediately stuns people that attempt a dash out, trapping would-be targets in the ring or forcing a blink or flash. He feels "shitty" because an ability that was, by all accounts, fairly ludicrous, was nerfed and not given compensation that some people felt was appropriate, so because of that he feels like shit to some people despite the fact that he is fine, both numerically and power-wise. He isn't played a ton right now (about 2% according to champion.gg, placing him at a not bad but not great spot of 30/50 for mid laners) but at the same time, this also isn't a meta that hugely favors him, either. His winrate is at about 50% as well, so he doesn't really need any buffs, but he still feels like crap to play to some people who want the old Veigar back. You'll see it a lot - a champion that feels crappy or clunky to play as but doesn't need actual buffs, other than maybe QoL.

ImNotOriginal7Jul 16, 20151 votes

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In general, his is a case of outright power and control. He plays fine, for the most part, now after the reduced cast time on his E, but a bit clunky. His E was justifiably nerfed as a source of very long-range stuns that lasted for... a damn long time and were pretty easy to reliably land. However, with the change that, during the formation of his E, he stops dashes (not blinks), he still retains the clunkier feeling of the post-nerf E, but yet he is still fine despite that.

Remember when kass got his rework(after the permaban status that is),at which point riot buffed him basically to show people that he is still strong to encourage them to play him,how is that coherent with nerfing veigar(let's say that it was deserved) without people playing him,and without even any notable complaints about him?

It's not a popular opinion to hold that a champion is fine after a major ability is nerfed, but it's one that is, at this moment, a truth. Even if Annie or Riven were nerfed, whether necessary or not to placate the board's bloodlust (though, let's face it: if they were nerfed (again), the boards would be happy for 2 days then seek out another victim or go straight back to them; even if they were to be deleted they'd just move on to the next champion to complain about. It's been that way since before the Boards, and from what I understand, since before I started about halfway through Season One.) they would likely be just fine. Remember, this is a community that calls for reworks when numbers are too high. This is a community that will claim a champion cannot be balanced because when a champion is nerfed then they become less played, as if that isn't the normal reaction people are going to have to nerfs, and that when they're buffed they're going to be overbearing as if there's any other goal other than to give them straight strength in a buff.

It's not exactly the community,it's mostly mob mentality of the boards,part of the reason being they turned it into another reddit.

To many, people feel Veigar feels shitty because of the E nerf and the DFG removal. They feel the Q buff doesn't make up for it, despite the fact that his E now immediately stuns people that attempt a dash out, trapping would-be targets in the ring or forcing a blink or flash. He feels "shitty" because an ability that was, by all accounts, fairly ludicrous, was nerfed and not given compensation that some people felt was appropriate, so because of that he feels like shit to some people despite the fact that he is fine, both numerically and power-wise.

He isn't fine numerically,actually,if you look at the red post about tahm kench,they said that they aim champions to hit 52-53% winrate after 30 games,veigar hits 51% after 125 games,you can actually see the same attitude about other champions who never see competitive play brand,velkoz,lux,anivia,zyra,sona(and honestly,there are some champions here I would call worthless garbage,good thing they balance around winrates though) all obey this law,but veigar does not.

He isn't played a ton right now (about 2% according to champion.gg, placing him at a not bad but not great spot of 30/50 for mid laners)

I suggest you look closely at the picks he is picked more than,most of them are boring/weak champions.

but at the same time, this also isn't a meta that hugely favors him, either.

So why nerf him now then? Hell,why nerf him at all?

His winrate is at about 50% as well, so he doesn't really need any buffs,

Remember when they reworked ashe? Remember what her winrate was before that? ~52%,if a good winrate doesn't prove strength(especially at that abysmal pickrate),then what does a decent one prove?

but he still feels like crap to play to some people who want the old Veigar back. You'll see it a lot - a champion that feels crappy or clunky to play as but doesn't need actual buffs, other than maybe QoL.

Look,gonna be honest here,I hate having veigar on my team and love seeing him on the enemy team,he feels like a handicap to his player,so that even if he somehow manages to do well I'm certain he would do better on something else,I mean I could obviously be wrong,but if we don't want to do something out of fear of being wrong,we will end up never doing anything.

Champions should be balanced around how strong they are perceived by the playerbase+competitive scene,not around a bunch of idiotic numbers.

Elijah ProphetJul 16, 20151 votes

I off-main Veigar, and usually completely destroy with him; in which case, the only comments I hear are "No skill. That W must be sooo hard. Sweet R one shot," etc.. I didn't begin playing Veigar until after the rework, so he doesn't feel shitty to me. All of the sudden people go from complaining about being too weak due to nerfs, to being OP and unfair. There is no in between with this community =P

LaceUp23Jul 19, 20151 votes

Na, you straight. I hate when people are like "omg u whinning about people whinning". It's very meh of an argument to me lol.

Kitsuki05Jul 15, 20152 votes

Not all complaints are a bad things, but that does give me an idea what the new section could be called. "Riot Feedback" Anyone who feels like they have something to personally say to Riot, which is like 95% of the people who complain non-stop, will be drawn towards there instead of clogging up more productive sections.

Elijah ProphetJul 16, 20152 votes

This is a great idea! Thanks for your input. Couldn't agree more.

isKOPPENJul 15, 20154 votes

ikr i hate people who give riot sht, like we get it

Kuroi86Jul 15, 20153 votes

I thought Gameplay & Balance was the Whine & Complaints section?

LuggJul 15, 20153 votes

Anyone else find it ironic that the OP is whining and complaining?

Elijah ProphetJul 16, 20154 votes

I've already commented about that, if you'd read before you speak ^

Penta FailJul 16, 20153 votes

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I'm getting sick and tired of these boards turning into a host for venting your childish rants because something isn't the way YOU want it to be. Some people actually go to these boards to have a laugh, share an idea, or maybe offer a CONSTRUCTIVE piece of advice to Riot. League has around (70 million?) players. Can you even fathom the amount of reports and complaints they get on a daily basis? They have people working around the clock, doing the best they can to please every one of you spoiled brats; yet, all you do is yell at them. Well I think they do pretty damn well. I propose a "Complaints" section on the boards in an attempt to funnel all the negativity into one page so us pleased customers can avoid the cranky ones.

I find your wording questionable. It's as if you spend just the right amount of time buttering up Riot, in hopes of avoiding a moderator quickly recognizing your toxic tone. You're right, the jobs that the employees of Riot have are not easy, but I don't think you actually care about that. I believe that YOU are upset by the plethora of complainer's threads because it's not the way that YOU want it to be. I am easily not the first to point out the irony, or even hypocrisy of your post. I just figured that I'd share my opinion. Especially since it's normally players with your kind of attitude that refuse to report toxic players, and thus perpetuate the very thing you hate the most, people who complain about toxic players.

Elijah ProphetJul 16, 20152 votes

My wording is clearly frustrated. I got impatient with the boards themselves, which I normally love to read. Would it be the way I want it with a complaints board? Yes. Is it a valid suggestion still? Well, thats up to you. Other than that I think you're reading far too much into it. Buttering up Riot? I just wanted to share my opinions pal.

Occams RaiserJul 16, 20153 votes

I am getting tired of people complaining about "people complaining" without seeing the irony.

Elijah ProphetJul 16, 20152 votes

Amen to this, guy.

Mintymentos NAJul 16, 20151 votes

they complain about the whiners because whiners are the baddies who can't lane properly and blame their own inadequacies on a champion. They can't admit to themselves "i was outplayed, i need to improve, i need to stop feeding". Instead of learning they blame a champion. it's very easy to use mechanics, not just looking for kills in lane. Their CS is horrid, their positioning is horrid, they don't ward etc.. but it's the champion not them.

Occams RaiserJul 18, 20151 votes

but did you get it?

MVDuneCatsJul 16, 20151 votes

I consider myself a meta-complainer (I complain about complaining). I just try to keep my meta-complaining in complaining threads, rather than starting new threads just to meta-complain.

ProfirixJul 16, 20153 votes

But...aren't you complaining?!

Doctor DymentJul 16, 20153 votes

Holy SHIT. Someone actually went and said it. You have no idea how badly I want a section like this.

TeemoJenkinsJul 15, 20152 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/site-feedback/XQNgpr09-new-board-whining

LowvyrJul 16, 20152 votes

Please, so I can actually view the rest of the boards without seeing a Riven QQ thread every 3 fucking posts

Radnar the boldJul 16, 20152 votes

I think this is a great idea, but love how people are calling you a hypocrit, like seriously? How else is the OP supposed to get this word out? I think the OP is right and we need a place to start these vents, because I to have issues with zed and Riven, but seeing the same post over and over again with the same content is just annoying.

ayNigerianPrinceJul 18, 20152 votes

Wine and Cheese**

LaowPingJul 15, 20151 votes

Except they will complain even more when they get moved to that section. Segregating the community wouldn't help cause Riot profits from the complainers too (even though they complain like a mofo, they still play the game).

Elijah ProphetJul 15, 20151 votes

If Riot profits from the complaints, then wouldn't an organized complaint board only be beneficial?

BlastermineJul 15, 20151 votes

At least whining about Riot and the game doesn't make you a hypocrite like OP.

Elijah ProphetJul 16, 20152 votes

I've already commented about that, if you'd read before you speak ^

LuggJul 16, 20152 votes

You didn't say jack about that in your original post.

Elijah ProphetJul 16, 20152 votes

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Silents429Jul 16, 20153 votes

No it just makes you seem like an entitled jackass.

IMMINENTxPOWERJul 16, 20151 votes

This game's reporting system is shit. I have had three 75 game chat restriction(s) and now I have a 90 game chat restriction. How the fuck is this possible? Because another person wants to be malicious and can't handle criticism Riot allows other players to abuse the report system and punish players. It doesn't seem to be a fair or even just system where anyone can report you for whatever reason regardless of whether you engaged in the behavior complained of or not. Riot is definitely suffering from ignorance to the human element, such as negative manifestations of certain people's shortcomings in life - morally and/or psychologically. A 90 game chat restriction? For what? And when I put in a support ticket to review the decision and for Riot to show me the evidence that Riot (tribunal) relied upon to make the decision to impose such a restriction they couldn't provide it nor provide a straight answer as to how it happened. The tribunals are fake, and potentially just "bots" automated to act on reports regardless of whether they are legitimate or not! So what I've decided to do is simply start reporting every person from every game in hopes to get people to complain of such a retarded reporting system that does no justice to begin with. As if Riot hasn't enabled a "mute" button.

manliestdinoJul 17, 20151 votes

If you get reported, they look at chat logs, champ select lobby, and post game chat to see what you were reported for. If you weren't that toxic, you didn't get punished but if they saw something unacceptable you were punished. That's how it works.

IMMINENTxPOWERJul 17, 20151 votes

Which is why I suspect there is no human "tribunal" if they in fact really do all that! Everyone please begin abusing the reporting system so the Riot idiots can change it because the way it is it punishes players for petty grievances other players may have against other players.

EkkoFrofflesJul 16, 20151 votes

It's the community as a whole, not just the boards. It's the League of Unaccountability, the League of Kneejerks, etc. No matter what, people will find something to complain about, and no amount of reason will stop them from doing so. I mean, I'm convinced the community will never stop complaining about the follow champions in particular: Blitzcrank Ekko Fizz Heimerdinger Kalista Leblanc LeeSin Riven Thresh Zed . Even if Riot were to do what everyone apparently wants and delete them altogether, people would simply shift their focus to other champions. It will forever be an endless cycle of whining and making a separate board wouldn't stop it from spreading to the other boards as well.

Nidalee SO NYAAAJul 16, 20152 votes

Just not the fact that they think they are op its when you disagree and try to say other wise they throw a fit like they are 5. When I try to tell people Nid is not op as people make her sound like the band of down votes and name calling come

HellioningJul 16, 20151 votes

So completely destroy Gameplay and Balance, got it.

A thread that goes 'I believe this champion is overpowered/underpowered' is a complaint, no matter how well written it is.

No, I don't like that Gameplay and Balance is currently being dominated by 'Zed/Riven are disabled yay!' but still.

Elijah ProphetJul 17, 20151 votes

How would it destroy gameplay and balance? People could still suggest things like making Ashes E provide vision in Akali's W or on an invisible Teemo. Random example, it's a suggestion for balance rather than something like, "WTF BAN RIVEN OMG SO OP WHAT'RE DOING RIOT YOU'RE TERRIBLE YOU IGNORE TRIBUNAL." We should be able to separate the real opinions on gameplay & balance from the whiney babies.

HellioningJul 18, 20151 votes

'Dammit Zed is so stupid, he can ult and burst you and I have to buy Zhonya's first to stop it, meaning I have to use less mana in the lane phase cause I can't restore it, which means he's even stronger against me because LOLenergy. Do something about him please!'

Is that a real opinion, or 'whiney baby'?

There's not one singular person who decides 'THIS IS GOOD' or not. That's what upvotes and downvotes are for.

Elijah ProphetJul 18, 20151 votes

I fail to see the suggestion for balance in this. I can very well decide it's bad. It's a complaint with no constructive criticism and would fit very well under the complaints section.

HellioningJul 19, 20151 votes

And 'I don't like playing against this champion' is not constructive criticism? There are several champions who have underperformed but still been nerfed or remade because they're obnoxious.

iltJul 18, 20151 votes

how much did they pay you? Riot is horrible with interacting with the community and you know it

Elijah ProphetJul 18, 20151 votes

Oh, they're bad at catering to the complaints of 70 million players? What terrible people....

WhaiSoSeriousJul 21, 20151 votes

Fuck that lol. What we really, really need is to get rid of report systems. We already have too many cry babies. Can't take this community. It's a group of bitches, to say the least.

"please report, tryn", "im gonna report you", "our jg feeding, report please"

Every single game has this wheather its on ur team or the opposing team.

Am i the only person tired of this?

Elijah ProphetJul 22, 20151 votes

It's the truth =P