Can No Longer Be a Secondary Support Player

Elijah Prophet·2/20/2016, 6:51:57 PM·213 votes·8,311 views

I've always considered myself an ADC main, and a secondary support player. I love the bot lane. Now, however, I play support 9 games out of 10 because of the dynamic queue. Let it be clear that I do like the idea of the dynamic queue. That being said, I'm sick & tired of not getting my primary role more often than I do. ESPECIALLY when your secondary role is support.

Please, if any Riot employee could address if they are aware of this issue and if they are considering doing anything about it, it'd be much appreciated!

EDIT: A lot of people are focusing on just the support aspect of this post. My main point is that you should get your primary role the majority of the time, regardless of your secondary role. Perhaps 60-40 would be a good, reasonable ratio.

184 Comments

lilpokfluf2/20/2016, 6:54:44 PM103 votes

I actually enjoy support as my secondary, but that's the thing I want it as my secondary.

I want to sup 4 out of 10 times not 9/10

Dominick Destine2/20/2016, 6:57:21 PM57 votes

Been saying this since day 1.

I had to switch from Jungle/Support to Jungle/Mid because the system is completely broken. SECONDARY should never be more than 49% of your queue results.

I don't mind supporting 30 or even 40% of the time since I do enjoy supporting, but not 9X% of the time....

Droogzy2/20/2016, 6:55:15 PM18 votes

This is my biggest gripe with the new system.

If you are an XXXXX Primary main with a support secondary main, this new system is basically telling you I hope you don't mind becoming a support main.

I wouldn't mind if they at least take awhile to at least LOOK for my primary role availability. But if you put support as secondary, you literally are put into a team within 3 seconds as a support.

ChocadillyDoo2/21/2016, 1:45:35 AM18 votes

The system with regard to support specifically just doesn't work as intended at all. It's funny, it worked OK in the first few days because people were actually using "fill", but no longer - everyone learned their lesson. Here are the problems:

  1. The "Fill" role _IS _"Support". There is literally no difference between the two buttons. Both result in you getting Support.
  2. You cannot choose support (or fill) as your "second option". Doing so will result in you playing your first option 0% of the time. The last 50 games I played were all support because I want to play Jungle primarily and Support secondarily. That's what I want to do, and so that's what I select, and yet I play nothing but support.

SOLUTIONS

Solution: Force some weighted randomization between the roles chosen. So if I say I want Jungle | Support, then when I do, roll an RNG that's like 60% Jungle, 40% Support. Don't tell the player which one got chosen, but if it chose Jungle, now you just sit and wait until a Jungle spot opens. This is a pretty good solution in my opinion. Wait times go up a bit, but players have an experience similar to what they would expect from your system.

Bad solution: Own it. This would involve deleting "fill" as an option and making it so that if you make Support as a secondary or primary option, you can not select any other options. Basically this would be Riot essentially admitting that no one wants to play Support.

Solution: Provide IP rewards for playing roles that are less popular. This is also kind of bad because you're similarly acknowledging that you have roles that people don't want to play, but it might be a good stop-gap for the next thing.

Great, hard solution: Make support something people actually want to play. This would be a huge project, but I would say you can start by deleting all of this extra fanfare regarding getting kills. Delete the "multi kill" shit. When you have this giant banner that comes on the screen saying PENTAKILL, it sends a clear signal that the game is really all about getting kills. In fact, it is not about getting kills at all. The team with fewer kills can and sometimes does win. So by putting focus on kills - something support shouldn't be doing - you're basically telling your audience that support is a lame role to play.

I feel pretty confident that Riot will do something about this - it's pretty obviously not working properly - but looking forward to seeing what they specifically do.

Penns2/20/2016, 7:02:22 PM16 votes

I honestly dont know why you cant just leave "secondary role" empty in trade for maybe waiting a bit longer for a game. It seems so obvious to have it like that lol.

SwiftKitten882/20/2016, 11:47:20 PM5 votes

i agree this is stupid.. out of 45 games of jungle primary and support secondary.. i got support 42 times

THREE TIEMS out of FOURTY FIVE i got my primary.

this is stupid riot.

i dont care if i need to wait in 10 min que i dont want to play supPort EVERY game.

you will get MORE people picking support as a secondary role IF THEY COULD DO SO WITHOUT GETTING IT 95% OF THE TIME

becuase guess what? the few people like me who LIKE support are deciding NOT to put it as a role because they don't want it 95% of the time.

allthemuslims2/21/2016, 3:13:41 AM5 votes

We need support to be more enticing for players, because only a few of us even consider playing support. Most players out there have a ridiculously low (10%-) support choose rate. Maybe release a couple hyper mobile supports (God help me for even suggesting another hypermobile champion) to make it look like someone's making really cool plays and show off how important the role is to everyone else? Then maybe people transition to play more traditional supports too, and maybe we even see support becoming a contested pick for the first time in like, forever?

doombotMECHA2/21/2016, 2:55:27 PM5 votes

support main. I enjoy always getting my main role...always

GenghisEmo2/21/2016, 12:42:42 AM4 votes

The only time fill does not equal supp, is when i queue with my bro, who likes supp.

Or, Riot's DQ trolls us and gives me supp when my bro had it primary and i had it secondary.

TurboWindex2/20/2016, 8:14:50 PM3 votes

I main Support. I almost never play ranked, Im not that good at the game, and I often play with 4 plat-diamond friends of mine so my winrate is trash. I know people say you can carry on support but I've found that in the depths of bronze 5 I cant trust my adc to know how tower aggro works, much less use the double kill he has been gifted. Long story short, I (in theory) would Q up as Jg Support, as my love for both came from my poor habit of focusing too hard on csing and tunneling on creeps all game. But If I want to play JG i cant Q up as support. The funny thing is if I put top, mid, or adc as my primary and Jg as my secondary ill get jg 7/10 games, but support is so much worse than jg in terms of getting it that even with JG, the job that is 2nd worse in terms of getting stuck into it all the time, as my primary roll i still have almost all my games as support. I think part of the problem is how support works. If my top laner goes teemo and my jg goes shaco, i can't go sona. because then it is my fault that we dont have a tank. Sightstone pisses me off so much. Sightstone is such a broken item and also my least favorite item in the game. Because of how good it is I usually have to get sightstone first item. By the time I have sightstone and boots and either the shitty sightstone gold item if i lost or the normal items if we won lane, teamfights are starting and Its too late for me to build something I want to build i have to get those broken support items that are way too op but no fun at all (Locket, old rightous Glory). Support has some of the most broken items in the game, but none of them are fun in any way. My main champ is Alistar. It is so fun to flash, headbut Q into the enemy team and set up a great start to a fight, but i cant do that. I have to spend my game after lv 6 sitting on my adc and using my knock up if the talon gets close. If I do the first thing we win the fight sometimes, The second thing is a 90% winrate. It feels like support is the job where the most boring thing is the best thing. I want to play support and feel like I passed the ball to someone for the winning shot, or stuffed a shot in basketball. What support feels like now is "Hi I am mule I will hold items I will hit 1 -3 keys in a fight and we will win" Ive gone on such a rant, but basically the problem here isnt Dynamic Q. Its that no one plays support because it is the job IN A VIDEO GAME where having the least fun is the best option.

Frnak2/21/2016, 3:23:01 AM3 votes

I stopped clicking support as secondary. Even if it's my secondary preference... ...it just means auto-support 9/10.

I just pick mid/top since they are almost interchangeable. ALMOST.

Kalmair2/22/2016, 5:40:57 PM3 votes

Bring team builder back ffs

SoMNia2/20/2016, 11:17:59 PM3 votes

If only they made support rewarding enough to play that there weren't a deficit of players willing to take the role at all, this problem wouldn't exist. Of course, making an inherently selfless role rewarding to play for selfish people is a bit of a challenge.

VladimirSnakeyes2/21/2016, 3:28:50 PM1 votes

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agbudar2/20/2016, 8:20:38 PM1 votes

then don't select support as secondary? your in que for a bit longer but chances are you will get your adc role.

selecting mid as a secondary role will almost never net you mid.