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Unsourced Artwork

Teenbus··3 votes·2,032 views

At least a good 25% of the "Skin and Champion Concepts" board features artwork that is not of OP's design, but rather something they found online. Use of another's work without properly crediting the source is a serious issue that involves not only copyright, but also basic decency. In my opinion, the rules should be updated to state that, when posting another's work, one must at least provide proper source information, but I'm open to discussion as to why this is/isn't a good idea.

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ïîï3 votes

The should add a place to put the original source when you upload a file.

ploki1222 votes

I'm fairly confident that yo ucan put a link on a picture like you would do on anything else...

Daen2 votes

I approve of the mindset, though I don't know if it's feasible. What is considered proper source information? What if the art is being used to help elaborate upon a point rather than someone taking credit for something that isn't there?

Teenbus1 votes

The purpose is irrelevant; almost universally, it's considered bad form to use someone else's work in any context without proper accreditation. Usually a link to the original artist, with or without their name, is required.

Daen1 votes

How do you propose enforcing this? Assuming the community has a hundred thousand people, moderators can't really afford to be checking posts for sources constantly.

Teenbus1 votes

If enforcement is your issue, why have any rules whatsoever? Just putting it in the rules usually weeds out a majority of the offenders before they even post, and the rest will be handled just like abusers, flamers, etc. In addition, if it becomes a cultural faux pas on the boards, like name and shame has become, moderators will almost be unnecessary, as regular users will regularly call others out.

Daen1 votes

Enforcement is an issue when it's something as specific and nuanced as sourcing. A troll post is pretty easy to moderate effectively, whereas the moderator would need to check the source and confirm its validity before being able to act.

If there are ten thousand comments a day in Skins & Champion Concepts, how can we expect a team of let's say 30 moderators to quickly and accurately check all the sources for posted art while still working on other boards?

I replied more recently with a clarified response, I hope that helps with perception. My goal isn't to diminish how important this is (not receiving credit for your work sucks), it's to try to point out some of the difficulties with making sure it doesn't happen.

Serpents Embrace2 votes

If you aren't going to source, don't use it. "Feasibility" doesn't matter. If you're not citing, it's immoral and possibly illegal if you're claiming it as anything.

Don't do it. Don't support it. Just don't. Don't even argue this, it's not even a matter of opinion.

Daen1 votes

I must have been unclear, my apologies for that. Is the goal here to make it clear that posting without a source is a community faux pas, or to enforce it via moderation? I don't approve of the lack of citing, but there are some things to consider here:

  • What if an artist creates a quick mockup and doesn't feel they need to provide a source? Should the lack of source immediately result in removal of the content?
  • What if there is a link to the website on which the content is located but no direct attribution? Should that content be removed?
  • What if it's attributed to the correct artist but the wrong image?
  • If a poster uses art and specifically mentions it's not theirs but don't provide a source, should that content be deleted?

I'm all for making sure that artists' work is properly sourced. It sucks to make something awesome and not get credit for it, I totally get that as an artist myself. That being said, there are a lot of things that make this an incredibly difficult thing to police. Where are the borders defined for "proper sourcing"? How can we realistically ensure that content is accurate and useful while not dramatically overworking the moderation staff?

Hyrum Graff1 votes

Is the goal here to make it clear that posting without a source is a community faux pas, or to enforce it via moderation?

I think it should be a community faux pas AND enforced via moderation.

  • What if an artist creates a quick mockup and doesn't feel they need to provide a source? Should the lack of source immediately result in removal of the content?

I'm confused here. If an artist creates a mockup, aren't they the content creator, therefore they don't need to cite their source?

  • What if there is a link to the website on which the content is located but no direct attribution? Should that content be removed?

Given that this is the internet, I think "This content isn't mine, here's a link to where I found it." is acceptable citation.

  • What if it's attributed to the correct artist but the wrong image?

As I said above, I think the standard should be "Link to where I found this image" (and maybe Artist's Name), so there should never be a wrong image. If there is, it's not correctly cited.

  • If a poster uses art and specifically mentions it's not theirs but don't provide a source, should that content be deleted?

Yes.

Where are the borders defined for "proper sourcing"?

I think I answered this already. Link.

How can we realistically ensure that content is accurate and useful while not dramatically overworking the moderation staff?

If you make the standard, "image should be linked to place where you found it, it's simple enough to compare if the linked image and the posted image are one and the same, with a computer program.


Finally, if Links are chosen as an appropriate standard, then embedding with ALWAYS have correct attribution because it is linked by default.

Daen1 votes

I'm confused here. If an artist creates a mockup, aren't they the content creator, therefore they don't need to cite their source?

Correct. How does the moderation team know not to enforce this piece of content since it is owned by the content creator, and how does the community know not to go after this person for misattributed sourcing?

I think your parameters are solid, but how do we allow the moderation team to enforce them without spending every waking second on just this? Requiring players to post a link when using content that isn't theirs would help, but it would also be very easy to put in the wrong link or random text.

This isn't as simple as "this person is a troll, this one isn't"; it requires going to external sites and researching the validity of players' claims.

Hyrum Graff1 votes

tineye.com, and similar sites, make checking for originality pretty dang easy. You could eliminate a lot of posts by doing the following:

  • If the content is embedded, it's automatically OK, since it's linked by default.
  • If the content is uploaded, run a tineye search
    • If no match is found, content is original, OK
    • If match is found, check to see if there's a link in the post
      • If there's a link, and it leads to the match, content is cited, and is OK
      • Otherwise, moderator reviews this post by hand.

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