Score 6 v 27, 5v4, Tryndamere sez : I would rather lose than Surrender!

Damagefox·Jul 28, 2016·6 votes·1,234 views

So yeah, we lost our zed early game, didnt get much help from tryndamere. Zed afked and the game went one-sided. At 6 v 27 score we tried surrendering, Tryndamere voted no saying "I would rather Lose than surrender" and "I know we lost but I'm Not gonna surrender" Meanwhile Yi doesnt help at all and runs solo the whole match. The two intentionally vote no on surrender holding me and cait hostage who want to surrender. The other team could just pick us off all they wanted and end the match 10 v 41 then Yi starts telling the other team to report me for "intentional feed" when the enemy is able to 1-shot us on sight. and again, Tryndamere intentionally voted no on surrender votes out of his own pride and arrogance

So I think that counts as a form of greifing. He admited we lost the match but still said he wasnt gonna surrender, holding the rest of the team hostage. I reported him as a form of greifing/unsportsman behavior.

44 Comments

archerno1Jul 28, 20166 votes

"Intentionally vote no"

Why do people feel need to put "intentionally" in front of everything. Every vote is intentional. Its a vote, he has right to vote whatever he wants. And no, it doesnt count as "griefing". Thats why there is vote. Its not YES or REPORT. Its YES or NO.

THE UNlCORNJul 28, 20162 votes

its not griefing but it is toxic and definitely spreads toxicity

archerno1Jul 28, 20164 votes

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its not griefing but it is toxic and definitely spreads toxicity

Its democracy. And its not toxic.

DamagefoxJul 28, 20163 votes

Oh yes, Its democracy when 3 people want to end the match, But -2- people decide "nah, we would rather keep fighting a losing battle. So to hell with the -3- people (majority vote? MY ASS it is) that want to end the match and find a new one with a better chance at winning. Damn skippy its toxic, It is basically like giving a great big "FK YU" to your team, all because you are too proud to end the match.

Btw, Democracy means majority vote. 2>3 rules is NOT a majority, its a way of abusing your team. That is NOT DEMOCRACY. and if you think it is, you got the idea twisted way out of control. But please, keep making excuses for the toxics. I am sure they will be happy to accept you as one of thier own.

archerno1Jul 28, 20161 votes

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Oh yes, Its democracy when 3 people want to end the match, But -2- people decide "nah, we would rather keep fighting a losing battle. So to hell with the -3- people (majority vote? MY ASS it is) that want to end the match and find a new one with a better chance at winning. Damn skippy its toxic, It is basically like giving a great big "FK YU" to your team, all because you are too proud to end the match.

Btw, Democracy means majority vote. 2>3 rules is NOT a majority, its a way of abusing your team. That is NOT DEMOCRACY. and if you think it is, you got the idea twisted way out of control. But please, keep making excuses for the toxics. I am sure they will be happy to accept you as one of thier own.

DrCyanideJul 28, 20163 votes

You had an AFK, which means it was 2vs2 in votes.

Also, no where in the definition of a democracy is it defined as a simple majority vote wins system. League uses the super majority system, the same system used by the US Senate. You've got to have more than 60% votes to pass the Senate, and you need more than 60% votes to surrender.

CheekynorthJul 28, 20161 votes

This is why I hate surrender votes in League. It simply isn't majority based. Majority is 3 > 2 but you need 4 > 1 to actually surrender. In One for All they got it right with the character votes (three people, guarantee of that champion) but they can't seem to count with surrender votes

TrulyBlandJul 28, 20162 votes

"democracy means majority vote", that's why no democracy ever has votes that require supermajority, right? Surrendering is final, not surrendering is not. It's not exactly unreasonable to require a supermajority in order to surrender.

And it's a vote for a fucking reason. If their reason to vote "no" was that they like the button more, then that would still not be toxic. They have their opinion, you have yours.

Mistress ShyvanaJul 28, 20163 votes

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Its democracy. And its not toxic.

It is democracy but yes it does spread toxicity.

Imagine that you're boxing with some buds and you get the living shit beat out of you and your team. You guys vote to quit but it's a 50/50 vote so it doesn't pass. You get sent back out to get your ass handed to you over and over for however long. You wanna quit but you'll be barred from boxing for abandoning your team. So you have to stay repeatedly getting obliterated and you're so crippled there's nothing you can do.

That's not fun, it's depressing and over the period of a 30-45 min match it wears down on people.

You don't even have to be toxic it affects you in other ways, hell I get headaches when situations like this happen.

archerno1Jul 28, 20162 votes

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It is democracy but yes it does spread toxicity.

Imagine that you're boxing with some buds and you get the living shit beat out of you and your team. You guys vote to quit but it's a 50/50 vote so it doesn't pass. You get sent back out to get your ass handed to you over and over for however long. You wanna quit but you'll be barred from boxing for abandoning your team. So you have to stay repeatedly getting obliterated and you're so crippled there's nothing you can do.

That's not fun, it's depressing and over the period of a 30-45 min match it wears down on people.

You don't even have to be toxic it affects you in other ways, hell I get headaches when situations like this happen.

Its more toxic to force and pressure surrender than to refuse to surrender. Some people play game not only to win. And losing and getting stomped is best way to learn and improve. Game isnt just WIN or SURRENDER. That way u never improve. U beat worse players , but u run away from better players. I personally always vote NO on surrender vote.

DamagefoxJul 28, 20162 votes

But there also has to be a LIMIT. If you KNOW you are getting beat, and the only thing the team is learning is just how fast the other team can stomp you back into the ground. Then by you voting no out of some sort of stubborn principle "Never surrender, under any circumstance" well then it shows just how rigid your mindset is. How Unwiling you are to actually take YOUR TEAM into consideration.

Yes when I am watching a match I am thinking. Can we actually pull this off. can we come back. I take alot of different elements into consideration before a surrender vote. Are we behind or ahead on kills, have we taken any towers? is the team working together or just flaming one another and passing blame. etc etc. But if a Person like tryndamere is willing to say "I know we lost but I'm Not gonna surrender" the only thing the team learned is How little he actually cared about his teammates. That breeds toxicity and resentment. Again, Its all about knowing when to actually aknowledge "We fought our best, they fought harder. Good fight" and then surrender and let the team go thier seperate ways and find a match where they have a better chance of winning.

Letting a match that was over in 15 minutes drag on to over 60 minutes while the enemy toys with the losing team before they get bored enough to finally end, JUST because a player has a rigid stance on "NEVER SURRENDER! Surrender is for weaklings" Is only going to make the team HATE YOU. And last i checked...that doesnt work in a team game where you are locked in, and trying to leave the match has the potential to get you PERMANENTLY BANNED FROM THE GAME.

archerno1Jul 28, 20162 votes

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But there also has to be a LIMIT. If you KNOW you are getting beat, and the only thing the team is learning is just how fast the other team can stomp you back into the ground. Then by you voting no out of some sort of stubborn principle "Never surrender, under any circumstance" well then it shows just how rigid your mindset is. How Unwiling you are to actually take YOUR TEAM into consideration.

Yes when I am watching a match I am thinking. Can we actually pull this off. can we come back. I take alot of different elements into consideration before a surrender vote. Are we behind or ahead on kills, have we taken any towers? is the team working together or just flaming one another and passing blame. etc etc. But if a Person like tryndamere is willing to say "I know we lost but I'm Not gonna surrender" the only thing the team learned is How little he actually cared about his teammates. That breeds toxicity and resentment. Again, Its all about knowing when to actually aknowledge "We fought our best, they fought harder. Good fight" and then surrender and let the team go thier seperate ways and find a match where they have a better chance of winning.

Letting a match that was over in 15 minutes drag on to over 60 minutes while the enemy toys with the losing team before they get bored enough to finally end, JUST because a player has a rigid stance on "NEVER SURRENDER! Surrender is for weaklings" Is only going to make the team HATE YOU. And last i checked...that doesnt work in a team game where you are locked in, and trying to leave the match has the potential to get you PERMANENTLY BANNED FROM THE GAME.

Ok look now from my personal experience.

http://matchhistory.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUN1/1357096327/203646464?tab=overview

This game: At one point we were 7.5k gold behind. Entire team voted surrender except Vayne. I refused. We won that game. Ye u may say "Vayne is 18:9" but 11 of his kills were after enemy team was FAR AHEAD.

http://matchhistory.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUN1/1353585376/203646464?tab=overview

This game i got obliterated by Volibear. I fed him like crazy. At minute 20 enemy team was ahead by 6.5k gold. Surrender vote started. I refused to surrender. Team threatened with reports and called me troll and int feeder. I ignored them, bought ZZ rot and pushed. Constantly. We won.

There were many, many cases like this. I dont surrender, cause game is over only when Nexus is destroyed.

Mistress ShyvanaJul 28, 20161 votes

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Its more toxic to force and pressure surrender than to refuse to surrender. Some people play game not only to win. And losing and getting stomped is best way to learn and improve. Game isnt just WIN or SURRENDER. That way u never improve. U beat worse players , but u run away from better players. I personally always vote NO on surrender vote.

While I agree with the point in a general sense, but some situations just stop being fun. Regardless of learning and improving its still a game it's still meant to be generally fun.

In that situation it was a 5v4 and they wanted to surrender. Situations like that are the problem.

DamagefoxJul 28, 20162 votes

5v4 We had gotten no ganks from tryndamere. Yi never once left top lane or even communicated to the rest of the team outside of a call to report when the match finally ended. Zed had already quit By the time surrender vote came up the score was already 6 v 27. Trynd kept voting no on surrender so the enemy could toy with us all they wanted our choices were: -Leave spawn: where we would get almost immediately squashed no matter where we tried to run (as if they were actually going to give us a chance to mount any sort of comeback let alone let us farm) -stay in spawn: Natural result, get punished by leaverbuster -leave the match/quit: Get punished by leaverbuster AND risk being permanently banned from the game.

Oh yeah, sounds like loads of fun doesnt it? :) the end score being 10 v 41. Yup...so much fun spending most of the game staring at a grey screen. can anyone FEEL the sarcasm?

FizpocalypseJul 28, 20161 votes

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5v4 We had gotten no ganks from tryndamere. Yi never once left top lane or even communicated to the rest of the team outside of a call to report when the match finally ended. Zed had already quit By the time surrender vote came up the score was already 6 v 27. Trynd kept voting no on surrender so the enemy could toy with us all they wanted our choices were: -Leave spawn: where we would get almost immediately squashed no matter where we tried to run (as if they were actually going to give us a chance to mount any sort of comeback let alone let us farm) -stay in spawn: Natural result, get punished by leaverbuster -leave the match/quit: Get punished by leaverbuster AND risk being permanently banned from the game.

Oh yeah, sounds like loads of fun doesnt it? :) the end score being 10 v 41. Yup...so much fun spending most of the game staring at a grey screen. can anyone FEEL the sarcasm?

You know you don't get banned from one game right? So leave buster shouldn't have even been an issue if you're not leaving every other game im just gonna throw that out there

THE UNlCORNJul 28, 20161 votes

it is not more toxic to try to get a surrender. when you are in a game and you are getting stomped and want to leave, every minute feels like torture. so when you are refusing surrender in those circumstances you are forcing your teammates to be tortured for 10 or 20 minutes when you could let them leave with a push of a button.

that is so frustrating and enraging and toxic and makes me hate my teammates. there is nothing more toxic than that.

when someone is trying to convince you to surrender you can just click ignore and still do whatever you want. the comparison is not even close.

just let them go!

Solari FortuneJul 28, 20165 votes

Ranked: Never Surrender Normals: If it like that I say yes, if the game is still close I won't

DamagefoxJul 28, 20162 votes

There has to be a line. Yes I know in ranked it is IDEAL not to surrender. But if someone is unwilling to look at the outside circumstances. By the time surrender vote came up, the score was already 6 v 27. Our Zed already quit, Yi never left top lane, never helped any other lane. Never even talked unless it was to "Report for intentional feed"

Meanwhile the enemy team can toy with us all they want, let us -try- and run away only to squash hope and kill us in one shot. Meanwhile tryndamere who never once helped gank bot lane, says he knows the match is lost but isnt gonna surrender. and me and cait are held hostage in a match where if we leave base, we die. If we stay in base, we get hit with leaverbuster and punished. If we leave the match we get punished and potentially banned. Anytime we brought up surrender vote, Yi and tryndamere would squash it immediately.

so again...there has to be a line. Being completely unreasonable and unwilling to budge from a stance will only cause friction and resentment among the team.

Solari FortuneJul 28, 20161 votes

oh if this was a ranked game ya I would surrender also Yi and Tryn are just being jerks at that point

DamagefoxJul 29, 20161 votes

It was a ranked match. More LP lost and time wasted because trynd "I know we lost but I'm not gonna surrender" "I would rather lose than surrender"

Koonta KintaeJul 28, 20163 votes

it's this never surrender tryhard attitude that led to japan getting nuked.... twice.

DamagefoxJul 29, 20161 votes

and we couldnt leave the match Leaveing spwn meant instant death. Idling in spawn and waiting for the match to end meant getting hit by LB Leaving the match meant getting hit by LB, potentially permabanned

I am SpongeboobJul 28, 20161 votes

No surrender. No mercy. Take no prisoners. Draw no quarter. Fight until the end.

Crazy ChatterJul 28, 20163 votes

Just like how you only give a shit about yourself, he does too and so you deal with it. You try to make it seem as if he made some huge mistake. There is a NO option for a reason. I, for one, agree with the tryndamere. He at least didn't give up and quit saying hostage. Quit if you want. No one ever forced you to stay. God, some people are so self-righteous. Also, if they were able to one shot you, then why would you walk into them. There's things such as warding in this game for a reason. Besides, you act like they made the mistakes only, but you and cait fed a lot as well. The try was the only good player on your team so don't blame him. Besides, it's ranked and you are meant to try hard on it, not just give up. Also, it isn't grieving to not give up. I don't know who told you grieving was trying.

DamagefoxJul 28, 20163 votes

Actually know, Unlike you, I actually look at the whole match, not just Myself. But I love how you completely ignore a little thing call LEAVERBUSTER. So lets see, Two bullies come in and YES HOLD THE TEAM HOSTAGE. Why? because if we quit...We Get punished by LEAVERBUSTER. So lets see, stay and be forced to fight out a clearly lost match (He admits he KNOWS the match is lost but still says "I would rather Lose than surrender" And what Makes you think I was walking INTO them. See how long you last when you try and run away and the enemy team can slow you down with cc and just toy with you in one shot. Yes, we fed alot UNINTENTIONALLY because A) Trynd held the team hostage B) we were UNABLE to leave because then we risk being punished by leaverbuster, posibly permabanned. C) couldnt just wait for the match to end because again, we would get hit by leaverbuster.

So anytime we even think of leaving the base,the enemy team is waiting for us. SO agian, I can and WILL call it being held Hostage. He is forcing the team to play a lost match rather than just surrendering and finding a NEW match. why? because in his pride and arrogance he refuses to admit a surrender despit it being 6 v27, A 5v4 match with a Trolling (yolo solo) yi.

AramsAreBestJul 28, 20163 votes

Maybe he wants to try and learn something while he's behind. I can tell you're one of those guys who say gg after first blood.

HyperiönJul 28, 20161 votes

In ranked you never surrender. Like, seriously, why are you going to play ranked if you are just going to surrender when you are behind. They can easily throw, they can easily lose. So what you had an afk, I have won plenty of 4v5. Your view on the game is bronze, which is why you will stay bronze. Don't surrender the game just because you are going to lose, try to make the most out of the game and figure out what YOU as a player could have done differently, since as you obviously stated, fed to shit. So start with that, what could YOU have done to not die as much. Think about that. What you are doing is thinking about yourself as one mentioned already. Don't try to deny that fact. You won't get better at the game if you blame your entire team except yourself. It doesn't work like that. When you start taking responsibility for YOUR action, and learn from the mistakes you make, thats when you will start to climb.

HyperiönJul 28, 20163 votes

Lol at all these people who say that the Tryn was toxic for voting no. The classic bronzie mind set.

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

CheekynorthJul 28, 20161 votes

Tryndamere had the extremely toxic and rigid mindset of "The match is lost but I won't surrender because I am a selfish brat who cares more about my pride than my team". He wouldn't vote surrender because he was too selfish to think of his team, and he even ACKNOWLEDGED that the match was lost, but 'muh prides'

HyperiönJul 28, 20162 votes

Pride has nothing to do with it. You learn more about the game/champion when you are behind. Not when you are steam rolling. I would never report someone for not wanting to surrender, even if the game is lost. I don't think like that.

Its not toxic for someone not wanting to surrender.

CheekynorthJul 28, 20161 votes

"I would rather lose than surrender" Pride has everything to do with it from that quote. He acknowledged it was a losing battle yet decided his pride was more important. Having that much pride is being selfish. Being selfish is not thinking of your team. Being selfish also happens to be toxic

DamagefoxJul 29, 20161 votes

thnk you for understanding

CheekynorthJul 29, 20161 votes

I try

ItankyouJul 28, 20162 votes

Tryndamere/Yi were attempting to bait u into saying something to get u banned, kids get off on that shit bro.

They just want to see the world burn

DamagefoxJul 28, 20162 votes

and yet the sad thing is, Ruin-it (Rito) Encourages that sort of behavior. They give it a Pass, but call them out on it and YOU get banned. Ruin-it sides WITH THE TROLLS AND TOXICS.

ItankyouJul 28, 20162 votes

Have you considered that riot is the troll?

DamagefoxJul 28, 20161 votes

Sounds about right, Ruin-it wants to create the optimal environment. Thats why the -intelligent- people are leaving League for other games. Overwatch, Paragon, HoTS, Smite. Etc. Let Ruin-it keep thier loyal fanbase of trolls, narcissists, Tantrum Toddlers and preschoolers. Yeah. (currently downloading Paragon as we speak. Once I get a better computer, its off to Overwatch for me. Let Ruin-it rot. LMAO Hope they enjoy their trolls, because soon thats all they will be left with.

Mistress ShyvanaJul 28, 20161 votes

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Sounds about right, Ruin-it wants to create the optimal environment. Thats why the -intelligent- people are leaving League for other games. Overwatch, Paragon, HoTS, Smite. Etc. Let Ruin-it keep thier loyal fanbase of trolls, narcissists, Tantrum Toddlers and preschoolers. Yeah. (currently downloading Paragon as we speak. Once I get a better computer, its off to Overwatch for me. Let Ruin-it rot. LMAO Hope they enjoy their trolls, because soon thats all they will be left with.

Just breathe man/girl and take a break from league, it's in a hot spot right now. Sometimes shot goes south and it wears you down. I know the feels and it blows.

Mistress ShyvanaJul 28, 20162 votes

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Tryndamere/Yi were attempting to bait u into saying something to get u banned, kids get off on that shit bro.

They just want to see the world burn

You right.

Only Play DariusJul 28, 20162 votes

You had Yi, Zed, AND Trynd on the same team? That's soloqueue if i've ever heard of it

DamagefoxJul 28, 20161 votes

Zed Afked/Quit Yi Ran yolo solo top (never once even talked to his team let alone leave solo lane) and Tryndamere never once ganked bot lane but was happy to tell us how he "knows the match is lost but not gonna surrender"

XerShadeJul 28, 20161 votes

You want to leave then leave. I always vote no because there is ALWAYS a chance to turn the game around. #ADCJungleMain #Caitlyn #CupCakes

DamagefoxJul 29, 20161 votes

And If we leave we immediately get hit with leaverbuster, Placed in low Priority que, risk being permanently banned from the game. Meanwhile trynd ADMITS WE LOST "I know we lost but I'm not gonna surrender" So he is merely holding the team hostage and forcing us to contue to play a clearly lost match. Again, if We wait in spawn? we get hit with LB If we leave, we get hit with LB, Possible ban If We leave spawn, we get toyed with and immediately destroyed.

So no, cant "just leave". If Ruin-it made a condition where people could leave the match without risking punishment then yeah. I would do it in a heartbeat.

XerShadeJul 29, 20161 votes

You are REQUIRED to play the game to the best of your ability until it is over. You can blame the Tryn all you want but in reality he could report you for a valid reason while you have none. It is his right to vote no, trying to make him the bad guy because you want to rage quit is punishable and I hope someone actually gets you banned for that attitude.