Unlikely to spend anymore cash with riot, due to their fascist like Chat Restrictions.

DankDaddyDizzle·Oct 26, 2017·2 votes·1,169 views

I've been chat restricted twice this season. Riot doesn't seem to penalize actual trolls who intentionally feed, name call, spam question mark ping to harass you for mistakes, work against you by stealing farm, camps, etc. or any other such nonsense that is non-team oriented behavior. So when you try to fight back and call the bully's bullshit out, it's YOU who get punished. Not the actual bully. How is that fair?

Not only that, but even after my chat restriction was over, riot continued to show me my chat logs that got me restricted as a way to further shame me for trying to fight back against the bullys.

Well done riot. I used to spend about $50 a month on random stuff in this game. Not so much anymore.

55 Comments

Jo0oOct 26, 20176 votes

It's a free game. They ask that you don't flame.

Don't flame.

DankDaddyDizzleOct 26, 20171 votes

I'm not. When is sticking up for yourself flaming?

Jo0oOct 26, 20173 votes

If you did it to the extent that you were chat restricted, I suspect you were indeed crossing a line.

If you disagree, go ahead and post the logs they gave you and we can show you where the line is.

DankDaddyDizzleOct 26, 20171 votes

I no longer have access to the logs. I'm fairly certain it's because I was in back to back 4 man premades. They all felt free to bully me without consequence because they knew they wouldn't report each other.

Jo0oOct 26, 20174 votes

Bold to claim "fascism" when you've not bothered to hold on to the proof.

Try a support ticket, they'll probably be able to get you the offending logs in a timely fashion.

DankDaddyDizzleOct 26, 20171 votes

They might be able to. But like I stated earlier, the logs are one-sided and only include my statements, not any of the words or actions of the other players. There's no context. And yes, by the definition of fascism it's highly appropriate. Fascism does not consider the individual.

Jo0oOct 26, 20173 votes

Dude, you signed the terms of service and then failed to adhere to them. That's not fascism, that's failure to follow schoolyard-level instructions.

DankDaddyDizzleOct 26, 20171 votes

Speaking up for oneself when being harassed does not = bullying or harassment. I disagree with you.

Jo0oOct 26, 20173 votes

Doesn't necessarily have to be bullying or harassment. Your version of "speaking up for oneself" could have included excessive negativity, spam, hate speech/calls to violence, tangible protest-trolling, and any number of other punishable offenses. We don't know, because you haven't provided any information on what DID happen.

And at the end of the day, who gives a shit about speaking up for yourself? It's an anonymous multiplayer video game with a massive player base, the odds that you'll get paired with the same players (and remember them) is negligible. You aren't gaining anything by engaging in folks that are immature and trying to incite something with you. Hell, if their goal is to troll, you're actively ENCOURAGING AND REWARDING their behavior by engaging in arguments with them, ESPECIALLY when you've done so to the extent that you're punished by the system.

DankDaddyDizzleOct 26, 20171 votes

I did provide information. Just read the threads. I would never call for violence against someone or use hate speech. I detest those things.

I have a deep sense for fairness. It's a blessing and a curse. Maybe I did reward the trolls. But the point is, I feel there is no recourse for actual trolls and people who are not trolling/bullying get punished when they speak up becaue they've had enough.

Jo0oOct 26, 20173 votes

I believe you avoided violence and hate. If you hadn't, you'd have gotten a 14-day ban at a minimum instead of just a restriction.

Unfortunately it's difficult to avoid a troll once you're in a game with one, though yelling at them certainly doesn't help. I find that ignoring them and/or using diffusers is your best course of action. Zero-percent chance of you actually getting punished after the game, and a non-zero chance that the troll loses interest and just plays normally. It's far from a perfect solution, but it's the one we've got.

DankDaddyDizzleOct 26, 20171 votes

I understand it's the one we've got. It just seems really unfair.

SturmPioniereOct 26, 20172 votes

Two things. One) a single report or nine reports will trigger a review just the same. It doesn't matter if four people or one person reports you-- all that matters is that when the system reviews the report, there is or is not punishable offenses found.

Two) you are responsible for YOUR actions. If they are flaming you, mute, report, and move on. You may try to get people back on course, briefly, but no matter how much you think it's fair to "defend yourself" it isn't the point. The report system and mute button is your defence. Flaming them back is an offense. You offend, you get punished, period.

Been playing since season 2. I have never had any kind of punishment, ever. Zero. It's not rocket science, comrade. You're just doing it wrong.

DankDaddyDizzleOct 26, 20171 votes

I get what you're saying and mostly agree. I've been playing since season 4 and I'll never forget my first few games. They were incredibly toxic and it was my first exposure to a game of this type. I'll never forget how taken back I was by the treatment. I guess this season I've just had enough of the harassment. And I feel riot's solutions to this problem are grossly inadequate.

ZezockaryOct 26, 20171 votes

It only takes one report to trigger a review of the a game. More reports does not increase the likelihood that a game will be reviewed, as just one report makes the chances of a review being triggered 100%. More reports does not make the system review the game any harder.

Premades reporting you is not what caused your punishment. You deciding to argue, be negative, and/or harass others is what caused your punishment unless you can provide evidence against that shows your punishment was an error.

In the future, instead of counterattacking trolls and feeding them what they want, you should defend yourself by muting them, reporting them at the end of the game, and then moving on with your life.

HalcyonDwellerOct 26, 20174 votes

Sticking up for yourself becomes flaming when you direct insults at the other person instead of simply refuting their claims.

For example... In response to

"You're a feeder!"

You could say,

"No I'm not!"

or you could say,

"Stfu dirtbag, you're in no position to complain you're 0/4"

I'll let you guess as to which one is no longer just sticking up for yourself.

DankDaddyDizzleOct 26, 20171 votes

Agreed

HalcyonDwellerOct 26, 20172 votes

Thanks for understanding. Good luck in the future, mate.

DankDaddyDizzleOct 26, 20171 votes

You too

Nik NikersonOct 26, 20171 votes

When you flame people while doing so.

Colgate GatorOct 26, 20173 votes

Aight, take your money elsewhere. Chances are your chat log is punishment worthy considering you didn't bother to post it.

DankDaddyDizzleOct 26, 20171 votes

Read the threads.

PrimaquariusOct 26, 20172 votes

Mecha MaIphiteOct 26, 20172 votes

So when you try to fight back and call the bully's bullshit out, it's YOU who get punished. Not the actual bully.

how do you know he got off without a punishment?

DankDaddyDizzleOct 26, 20171 votes

Doesn't riot let you know when your feedback has resulted in a punishment? Nine times out of ten I never see that notification.

Mecha MaIphiteOct 26, 20171 votes

IIRC you only get that if your report was the one that finally got him punished

DankDaddyDizzleOct 26, 20171 votes

Regardless, it's unfair for them to punish people who are tired of being bullied and decide to call the bullies out. Not a smart move on their part. There is seemingly little recourse for people who actually get bullied in this game.

Pretty DhiziOct 26, 20172 votes

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Regardless, it's unfair for them to punish people who are tired of being bullied and decide to call the bullies out. Not a smart move on their part. There is seemingly little recourse for people who actually get bullied in this game.

If you add to the bullying, then doesn't that make you a hypocrite?

Don't say 'regardless' when you add to the problem, as everyone else gets just as tired of hearing people defend their bad behavior. Two wrongs =/= right.

The recourse for 'bullies' is to mute, and report them. If they truly did harass you to a point of deserving a ban? The system deals with them. It isn't your responsibility to administer punishment, or argue to what is fair and what isn't. If you MADE the game, then it'd be -- But you didn't. It isn't your responsibility.

DankDaddyDizzleOct 26, 20171 votes

Why assume that me pushing back is bullying? It's not. Calling a bully out does not = bullying them back. Sticking up for yourself should never be wrong.

XidphelOct 26, 20173 votes

Muting is better than retaliating.

DankDaddyDizzleOct 26, 20171 votes

Easier said than done, when most games are filled with berating and non-sportsmanlike players. Add to that the feeling of no recourse, and you're not left with many options.

XidphelOct 26, 20172 votes

Muting is still a good option. As easy said than done, honestly.

ModThe DjinnOct 26, 20171 votes

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Doesn't riot let you know when your feedback has resulted in a punishment? Nine times out of ten I never see that notification.

Only a single individual receives that alert for each punishment that goes out.

Pretty DhiziOct 26, 20172 votes

Is 50$ a month really going to impact a business that has a 1.6 billion revenue a year?

Fighting toxicity with toxicity doesn't fix anything. It just shows that you're adding to the problem, rather than cancelling it out at the root (in other words, using the freely available 'mute' button).

If its resulting in a chat ban, you're obviously doing something wrong to a point of it no longer being 'defending' yourself. If you want anyone to consider your opinion -- Provide us the chat logs so we can deem what it was that was said as either toxic, inflammatory, or a mistake of the system.

DankDaddyDizzleOct 26, 20171 votes

Obviously, my measly $50 dollars means nothing to their bottom-line. It's the principle of it. And no, I don't have access to the chat logs anymore and they don't provide any context anyway.

DarkRoosterOct 26, 20171 votes

Principle of a toxic person who violated terms and possibly even laws is worthless. Principle of a decent person however would be worth more than gold.

oXYungYuseffXoOct 26, 20172 votes

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Principle of a toxic person who violated terms and possibly even laws is worthless. Principle of a decent person however would be worth more than gold.

dude ur just toxic af everywhere you should be banned.

ZURELLOct 26, 20172 votes

ppl need to exercise healthy chat n gameplay. just mute the guy. is it stunting the amount of communication you have with your team? yes. but that dude isnt really concerned with strategizing n more concerned with blaming you specifically in a team game. the system isnt perfect but you CAN mute that guy. you CAN primarily communicate with pings. just dont bm urself :/

WariosOct 26, 20172 votes

Even if you spend $50 a month, but your actions cause 4 other players, who each spend $25 a month, who were subjected to your toxicity to quit playing.

Which option generates more income?

ChermorgOct 26, 20172 votes

As you admit you haven’t held on to the chat logs from the restriction, we can’t help you understand why they were worthy of a punishment.

As others have pointed out, your actions are all that are looked at for your punishments. When you act abusively towards your teammates, Riot (and the majority of the community) does not consider it justified by anyone else’s actions. It simply does not matter what someone else says or does, you are not justified to increase the negativity in the game with abuse or harassment.

DarkRoosterOct 26, 20172 votes

Almost everyone is on some level aggressive, yet no decent person has ever been banned or chat restricted. Moment you open your toxicness, moment you violate even a single thing you can be, and honestly should be perma banned.

ARAM ZooKeeperOct 26, 20171 votes

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DarkRoosterOct 28, 20171 votes

Whatever it means bro. But how is being a toxic %%%% equals to growing a spine ? Its quite the opposite, bunch of hormonal frustrated teenagers being too scared to ever face their problems and they take it out only place they can't be touched - online.

oXYungYuseffXoOct 26, 20172 votes

I totally feel you. The amount of toxic games in bronze and silver is unbearable and honestly I'm not playing this game anymore for the sole reason that som brainless turd can ruin your expeirience in the game.

XidphelOct 26, 20171 votes

Doesn't mean you should do the same. True, you weren't as bad as the other person. You still contributed to ruining someone else's experience.

oXYungYuseffXoOct 26, 20172 votes

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Doesn't mean you should do the same. True, you weren't as bad as the other person. You still contributed to ruining someone else's experience.

can't ruin something that's ruined.

DankDaddyDizzleOct 26, 20172 votes

I like your logic.

XidphelOct 26, 20171 votes

Of course you do.