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Help a Summoner Out

LuxannaVeritas··4 votes·1,086 views

I'm just writing this to raise some awareness, because I think LoL would be a better place if this happened...

I'm fairly new to the game, so I'm not as skilled as other players. I understand that. However, I was playing Jinx the other day to get better at her play style. I didn't have a great game, which happens to many people. But our jungler... he just kept on complaining about me messing up and saying that "I sucked."

Now, how is that helpful to me? I can't get anything out of people insulting me, but I can get better when others help me and give me advice. I find it very rare that I hand out the "helpful" honor, which makes me very sad.

So please, if you come across a struggling player on your team, don't complain. I admit, it's a little frustrating when someone doesn't pull their weight, but complaining doesn't fix the solution. Just give advice, or encourage them on. Try to help them not make the same mistakes as often.

We all have bad games, but we learn more from those. Please understand! :) Thanks for reading my rage lol

28 Comments

Borkahn3 votes

I gave up on giving advice because people don't listen and instead rage at you. Take for instance a recent game in which i ended as a 13-2 jungle Aatrox and the enemy Mundo was 2-11. Now I love the jungle and spend most of my time there. I also am fairly good with Mundo compared to most. Not the best but decent. I saw he was crippling himself in his build path and began to die more and more because of it. So I offer some helpful tips to improve his Mundo for his next game. Instead of "hey thanks man that helps, I'll see what I can do about that." I get "You're a silver nub which belongs in bronze community and is too low to be giving advice to anyone. (note that this man is unranked and just got clobbered not only in kills but in objectives and pressure by me) I'm better 1v1 me nub you are crap."
So you see after getting replies like that I prefer just to rage at people because it's a waste of my time to keep trying the other way.

TL;DR Raging is much more simple and it doesn't waste as much time.

elduris3 votes

I think it largely depends on how you deliver your advice. Very commonly, if someone gives me advice in game, it's in a condescending manner (e.g. "you should play more bot games frist"). If you're getting push-back when trying to legitimately be helpful, then stop there because they clearly do not care about nor want your advice.

LuxannaVeritas1 votes

What do you think is a non-condescending way? I mean, I also want to help others get better as well, but I'm worried about what you mentioned about coming across rude.

elduris1 votes

Something like "hey did you know that sightstone upgrades into your tier 3 support item now" is better than "why are you building locket against all ad team?"

LuxannaVeritas1 votes

OK, I get you.

Thanks for your input! :)

Borkahn1 votes

{quoted}

I think it largely depends on how you deliver your advice. Very commonly, if someone gives me advice in game, it's in a condescending manner (e.g. "you should play more bot games frist"). If you're getting push-back when trying to legitimately be helpful, then stop there because they clearly do not care about nor want your advice.

There is never a chance for pushback. It's hey I think if you go this build path it will improve your sustainability and allow you to die less---->You silver nub shouldn't be giving advice.

I only get condescending when they want to trash talk me so much after I beat them fair and square.

LuxannaVeritas1 votes

Out of curiosity, what do you think about the people who rage during games or fights? It always hits a nerve when they spend their time raging instead of playing the actual game.

And I guess raging can be simpler for some people, yet I guess just knowing that you're doing bad is enough?

Thanks for your input!

Borkahn2 votes

{quoted}

Out of curiosity, what do you think about the people who rage during games or fights? It always hits a nerve when they spend their time raging instead of playing the actual game.

And I guess raging can be simpler for some people, yet I guess just knowing that you're doing bad is enough?

Thanks for your input!

I hit that beautiful mute button. It's what it was made for.

Yes, raging is much more simple given the replies I've put up with when trying to impart knowledge that was given to me by players much better than me. I give up in passing on knowledge given to me by others because people would rather start a fight than learn and improve.

LuxannaVeritas1 votes

That's funny because I actually had to use the mute button in a game yesterday; got so bad that it had to come to that.

Thank you for your help! :)

Weathered2 votes

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LuxannaVeritas1 votes

Haha... yeah, I tried that. However I found out that sometimes they wanted objectives or help and they use the chat to tell the team. But if they aren't saying anything helpful, then I will use the mute button.

Thanks for the advice! :D

Korillo2 votes

Giving advice is usually taken as an insult as well. Unfortunately, the best course of action seems to be ignore everyone and just play the game. You're always going to get people that are toxic or negative. Just report them at the end of the game and move on.

LuxannaVeritas2 votes

I always feel uncomfortable reporting people, since I don't know how bad they have to be in order for the report to be justified. Do you have any tips about when to report?

And sadly, I've seen a fair share of toxic or negative people in my games already...

Korillo3 votes

{quoted}

I always feel uncomfortable reporting people, since I don't know how bad they have to be in order for the report to be justified. Do you have any tips about when to report?

And sadly, I've seen a fair share of toxic or negative people in my games already...

I would never report anyone for being bad at the game. There used to be a report for "unskilled player" but I don't think it's fair to report someone for that. If they appear to be intentionally feeding (running into turrets, running into the enemy) then I will report them. If they say something like "gg this game is over" then continously die I'll probably report them because they are likely intentionally feeding.

I generally only report if they are negative towards one or more players in chat. Constantly blaming, flaming or saying negative things in chat isn't useful and I will likely report someone for doing these things.

At the end of the day I think if you feel like that player is negatively impacting your game it's probably safe to report them (this doesn't mean failing a gank or misplaying - this means being negative to you, your teammates or the enemy team).

LuxannaVeritas1 votes

Alright, I get your logic.

Thank you for your feedback! I understand this subject a little better now. :)

LuxannaVeritas1 votes

Just thought I would tell you that I reported my first person yesterday; I was playing Sejuani for the first time in PvP and I didn't do that great (partly because no one was following up on my ganks), but then one of my teammates did exactly what you mentioned. They started blaming me and my team for being so bad and got especially mad at me for apparently "Building the wrong item" (in the end, it was the right item, which made his complaining even more annoying).

I muted and reported him at the end of the game. I'm still a little lost at to what to write in the space they provided in the report. Should I just say that they were being negative and unhelpful? (That's what I ended up writing about in my report)

Korillo2 votes

{quoted}

Just thought I would tell you that I reported my first person yesterday; I was playing Sejuani for the first time in PvP and I didn't do that great (partly because no one was following up on my ganks), but then one of my teammates did exactly what you mentioned. They started blaming me and my team for being so bad and got especially mad at me for apparently "Building the wrong item" (in the end, it was the right item, which made his complaining even more annoying).

I muted and reported him at the end of the game. I'm still a little lost at to what to write in the space they provided in the report. Should I just say that they were being negative and unhelpful? (That's what I ended up writing about in my report)

I often don't fill the in the blank unless the person was doing some really bad or really specific (and the report function doesn't capture exactly what it was). If you report someone for, say, verbal abuse and they were verbally abusing your team, I think the report speaks for itself and Riot can investigate further if they choose to.

If they rage quit or something I will usually put in "left after 2 deaths", or if they were doing multiple "reportable offenses" you could list them. If you do put anything I imagine keeping it short would be the best bet.

LuxannaVeritas1 votes

Oh so it's optional? OK, I'll keep that in mind.

Thank you! You've been a lot of help. :)

Jubbinaut2 votes

I'll be honest, I'm a little gunshy about giving advice. Not to say that I don't do it at all, just that I've often been burned by it, so I tend to be a little careful about who I'll offer advice to.

I might suggest items that are both useful to the team and synergistic with a particular champ, or temporary play suggestions ("try to stay safe under turret, on my way as soon as I back" kind of thing). Beyond that, I try not to discuss mistakes or iffy decisions made by other players during the game. Afterwards, if they stick around, I might offer thoughts on those things, but only if they seemed neutral or receptive during the game.

Part of the reason for this is that I don't believe mid-game is the appropriate time for in-depth discussions about various mechanics or decisions. There's too many other things to pay attention to. Post-game, there's more data to use in the discussion, and more available time to have it. And, of course, the ability to walk away if it goes sour.

Something I've noticed regarding that, by the way: it helps people be more receptive of criticism if I critique myself first, or if I do so more generally, with lots of inclusion words ("we should have been paying more attention to each other's positioning," for example) and fewer isolating words ("you should have paid attention to his positioning").

LuxannaVeritas2 votes

Thank you for your advice! It is difficult to give advice without sounding like you're nagging, but those are good tips to avoid that. Thank you again! :)

Zyorhist2 votes

mentor system....

LuxannaVeritas1 votes

???

I'm sorry, but what is that? I haven't heard of it before...

Zyorhist2 votes

some time ago, like the end of season 3 or 4 there was a recommendation that Riot needs to implement a mentor system. The thought was that people who are positive and helpful they would be allowed to queue up to help out newer people, someone who needed help. The goal was to reduce toxicity and create a meaningful learning experience for the players. The problem was that, well riot got busy elsewhere and never did it.

LuxannaVeritas1 votes

Oh so it's not actually a thing...

That's too bad. It sounded really positive and effective. I do hope that they reconsider and make it! :)

Thank you for your comment!

Zyorhist2 votes

I posted a thread yesterday ("@Riot, Mentor System" or something like that) but no one has even tried to respond, so I think the community as a whole has let this sort of thing die. I'm really sad because I think it could be really positive for everyone, and may even be one of the turning points for the community as a whole.

That being said, add me i'll give you a hand with some stuff if you'd like.

Metalhead72 votes

Once again this is evidence that i need can you see what is happening with the ragers?

they think they know the game, they get mad as this player and report him to see him perma banned for what for bad gameplay? cause he was still learning open your eyes people this is what i been trying to tell you for days,months and even years.....

Eponine9 don't feel bad cause of a rager said things about you and just ignore it for now sadly we still don't have the power to detect this attitude, continue to practice the game and don't friend anyone.

This game is not a sportsmanship game, you will only be making more unwanted enemies game by game.......

LuxannaVeritas1 votes

Sadly you have a point; games would be better if everyone worked together, but sadly this is hard to do for some. I hope we come across a way that detects toxic behavior more effectively soon!

It sounds like you've been talking about this topic often. Feel free to use anything in this post as evidence in your future arguments against ragers! :)

Thank you for your input! ;D

LuxannaVeritas1 votes

Please comment... I want to know what you think about this!

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