Ya'll are takin norms too seriously.

AgeOfTheMage·Oct 25, 2017·36 votes·2,587 views

Honestly ridiclous, I've slipped and almost died from all the sweat some players have in norms. I'm not saying go full ad raka without your teammates acceptance of course, but at least try to have fun!

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Boiled TrianglesOct 25, 20176 votes

There's no reason to be angry in norms, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't want to win. Here's a flowchart of what happens when you try to win:

in ARAM: DUDE it's ARAM LMAO, if you wanna tryhard go play 5v5 in norms: DUDE it's norms LMAO, if you wanna tryhard go play ranked in ranked: DUDE it's just a game LMAO, get a life

GigglingdeathOct 25, 20175 votes

I got flamed the other day for going full ap soraka mid, and I carried the shit out of that game until lategame. We lost because the other team outscaled, but it was a lot of fun for me. I just muted all my teammates and had a good time. Norms is for fun. I still tried to win and I still played well, however I do see trolling being unfun for others. (If you think trolling is fun it's not guys)

AgeOfTheMageOct 25, 20171 votes

I mean, i'll go stuff like that if my teammates are fine with it, if not I wont, otherwise i'm goin it.

GigglingdeathOct 25, 20175 votes

I go syndra support too. They bitch and moan until I keep landing some good shit stuns. 8) But norms are for fun. If someone wants to complete a mission I'll try harder, but otherwise it's for trying new stuff.

Jo0oOct 25, 20175 votes

Honestly, anybody can support in norms.

I'm trying to convince my friend to duo with me Kalista/Darius bot lane. I think it would be hilarious.

ModThe DjinnOct 25, 20179 votes

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Honestly, anybody can support in norms.

I'm trying to convince my friend to duo with me Kalista/Darius bot lane. I think it would be hilarious.

Having done it? It really, REALLY is. :D

DragfinOct 25, 20173 votes

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I go syndra support too. They bitch and moan until I keep landing some good shit stuns. 8) But norms are for fun. If someone wants to complete a mission I'll try harder, but otherwise it's for trying new stuff.

Where does it officially say that it's for trying new stuff? Please link the location.

As long as people are adhering to the Summoners Code then I don't care but most people don't and RIOT only enforces the 2nd tenant anyway so that's why the player base makes up their own rules like you just did.

There is also a place you and 9 other people who think like you can go to avoid the negative feedback and that's custom mode. That is the ONLY place where your excuses can be justified.

Also what might be fun for one person might not be fun for someone else. People who want to have fun wonder why people have a stick up their asses? They need to look in the mirror and deal with it instead of whining about it and making excuses to justify their breaking the Summoners Code.

GigglingdeathOct 25, 20174 votes

It's implied in the fact that it isn't a competitive queue. You aren't gaining/losing standing for playing in norms. Therefore, it's an implied place to try out things you want to try out in an environment that mimics a real competitive game. (5 people vs 5 people). A custom game is great, if you have 9 other people to play it with. Otherwise norms is a perfect place to try something new. The only time I see someone bitching about a "troll" pick is when they are trying to achieve something (mastery, mission, FWotD). Otherwise it's meant to be a fun game where you try things that may or may not work. No need to be such a salty little kid over it. I'm not making up rules.

wyvern011976Oct 26, 20173 votes

It is still a competitive queue and you are expected to try to win EVERY game. Even if you just cost the guy grinding for his next champ 1/3rd of his IP reward for a lose that's still affecting others. So I'm still not sure what makes you think you have that right to call that fun. Because I can tell you he probably don't think it is.

It a game so it should be fun....for everyone playing.

Off meta picks are one thing, but combos that are built to fail...well that's another issue.

DragfinOct 26, 20171 votes

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It's implied in the fact that it isn't a competitive queue. You aren't gaining/losing standing for playing in norms. Therefore, it's an implied place to try out things you want to try out in an environment that mimics a real competitive game. (5 people vs 5 people). A custom game is great, if you have 9 other people to play it with. Otherwise norms is a perfect place to try something new. The only time I see someone bitching about a "troll" pick is when they are trying to achieve something (mastery, mission, FWotD). Otherwise it's meant to be a fun game where you try things that may or may not work. No need to be such a salty little kid over it. I'm not making up rules.

Where is it implied except in your narcissistic brain?

GigglingdeathOct 27, 20171 votes

I mean, you can resort to insults, but you're still wrong my dude. Gj tho. I am gonna go home and cry now.

DragfinOct 27, 20171 votes

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I mean, you can resort to insults, but you're still wrong my dude. Gj tho. I am gonna go home and cry now.

You have yet to show me that I'm wrong in any official manner. This is in the head of those who don't care about the affect their actions have on other people who don't agree with them. Nothing more and nothing less. Argue all you want. The reality is that you and those like you are 100% wrong in doing what you do as long as one member of your team disagrees with you. The fact that you don't listen tells me exactly what you are. Take it as an insult all you want. It don't make me wrong with my assessment of you. Just be happy that RIOT only enforces the 2nd tenant of the Summoners Code.

GigglingdeathOct 27, 20171 votes

You have yet to show me I'm wrong in any official manner. Works both ways toots.

DragfinOct 27, 20171 votes

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You have yet to show me I'm wrong in any official manner. Works both ways toots.

You subject those who don't agree with you in game to your BS. It can't get any more common sense that you are 100% wrong than that.

If you ask them and they all agree then you are fine. If one person disagrees with what you are doing then you are 100% wrong for doing it anyway.

It also makes you the definition of narcissistic.

You do not care about anyone but yourself. I am sorry you are too ignorant to understand how wrong you are and by continuing to have this argument you continue to show your true colors.

GigglingdeathOct 27, 20171 votes

I mean... what? If I just lock in a champion for a role, I'm not asking permission from anyone. If I said "hey can I go ad soraka mid?" and I had my team go "ehhh, rather not" then your point would stand. But if I just go lock in soraka when I'm chosen for mid, there's not a whole lot anyone can do or blame me for. Sure it's off meta, but you can't be mad at me for playing it. Not in normals. As long as I try my best to actively win my lane and help my team, I'm not doing anything wrong.

You're telling me I'm showing my true colors here, I was never hiding them. You however are trying to personally attack me for what I believe this game stands for. And that is being able to play the game how you choose in a game mode that is not competitive. At least not competitive in the way where you get penalized for NOT winning. You understand? It's not ranked. This game is not "you have to go adc bot, you have to have one toplaner, you have to have a mage mid" this game is "pick a lane, go there, and try to win". I'm not sure why you're still arguing with me if you odn't think I can understand it.

DragfinOct 28, 20171 votes

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I mean... what? If I just lock in a champion for a role, I'm not asking permission from anyone. If I said "hey can I go ad soraka mid?" and I had my team go "ehhh, rather not" then your point would stand. But if I just go lock in soraka when I'm chosen for mid, there's not a whole lot anyone can do or blame me for. Sure it's off meta, but you can't be mad at me for playing it. Not in normals. As long as I try my best to actively win my lane and help my team, I'm not doing anything wrong.

You're telling me I'm showing my true colors here, I was never hiding them. You however are trying to personally attack me for what I believe this game stands for. And that is being able to play the game how you choose in a game mode that is not competitive. At least not competitive in the way where you get penalized for NOT winning. You understand? It's not ranked. This game is not "you have to go adc bot, you have to have one toplaner, you have to have a mage mid" this game is "pick a lane, go there, and try to win". I'm not sure why you're still arguing with me if you odn't think I can understand it.

Thanks for proving my point about the kind of human being you are. Karma is a bitch and its a shame that I won't be able to see it when it comes looking for you.

GigglingdeathOct 28, 20171 votes

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Ozzie StormOct 25, 20174 votes

No argument there, but when a player goes Teemo "supp" and (despite everyone elses disagreement) ends up useless and feeding like there's no tomorrow then sorry, but i disagree. Don't come to me saying "it was fun" because it wasn't.

RootloOct 25, 20173 votes

Norms is to have fun. As long as they arent actively trying to lose the game for you, they can play any champ in any role.

JESUSSAYSNOOct 25, 20173 votes

There's no effective difference between intentionally and unintentionally losing the game. Troll picks and shitty comps lead to unfun and cancerous games, regardless of intent.

If our toplaner last pick locks yasuo or any other dps oriented champ when we have an assassin jungler and an apc mid, with an ardent support, his fun comes at the cost of our entire lategame and overall chances of winning by not playing a tank. Intentionally drafting a losing comp should be reportable, even if they 'try to win' in game. Intent means nothing compared to the resulting actions.

inb4 if nobody else plays tanks you should I main tanks. I only play carries in normals, and only in bot/mid. It's not my obligation in mid or bot to play tanks, however it is for the jungle and top.

GigglingdeathOct 26, 20172 votes

Wrong. :) Very very so very wrong. I have no obligation to you to play any champion besides the one I want. If that means the comp is gonna be a bit sketchy, too fucking bad. If you knew I was gonna go yas, I'm not talking in chat, I'm not hovering anything else, and you want to win THAT BADLY play something tanky yourself. I'm gonna play a champion I want to play that makes the game enjoyable for me. Just because you will lose doesn't make the game unenjoyable. I've had some of the most fun on league playing matchups that were absolutely impossible, but the team had good fun with it. It's honestly a mindset.

EDIT; I just want to make this clear that this goes for picks that makes the comp sketchy, not full blown troll picks like nunu/janna botlane or some crap like that. Yas is an extremely viable top, and just because you want a tank in the comp doesn't mean he has to do it. That's not his job. Mid, jungle and support can all take the tank role if needed.

jjcool99Oct 26, 20172 votes

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Wrong. :) Very very so very wrong. I have no obligation to you to play any champion besides the one I want. If that means the comp is gonna be a bit sketchy, too fucking bad. If you knew I was gonna go yas, I'm not talking in chat, I'm not hovering anything else, and you want to win THAT BADLY play something tanky yourself. I'm gonna play a champion I want to play that makes the game enjoyable for me. Just because you will lose doesn't make the game unenjoyable. I've had some of the most fun on league playing matchups that were absolutely impossible, but the team had good fun with it. It's honestly a mindset.

EDIT; I just want to make this clear that this goes for picks that makes the comp sketchy, not full blown troll picks like nunu/janna botlane or some crap like that. Yas is an extremely viable top, and just because you want a tank in the comp doesn't mean he has to do it. That's not his job. Mid, jungle and support can all take the tank role if needed.

this is called trolling and will get you banned after a while team game not a solo party learn to man up or uninstall.

Ozzie StormOct 26, 20172 votes

I strongly disagree, not about the fun part but about it being normal. Personally i'm not a big fan of competitive play/ranked. But just because i like to have chill doesn't mean i'm ok with behavior like feeding and throwing because "it's normals" I'm still in it to win it but without the worry that i might loose lp.

When i go as far as asking him " are yo gonna be a Teemo supp or "supp" and get the answer "we'll see", that is no were near encouraging. Like will he play like supp when he feels like it? Will he stel cs the whole laning phase? will he go on a feeding rampage if we happened to give 1st blood?

Despite all this i went with it and guess who not only got hooked 1st bu the enemy blitz, but almost gave up 1st blood in the 1st 2 min of the game... well no one but the devil himself.

Laning was terrible, early game was trash, couldn't o anything because of the lack of sustain by a proper supp, got focused harder than ever by the enemy jungler as he took the advantage of the lack of a proper supp and them having Blits, so much so that literally hugging the tower was useless, and above all we lost with a bad KDA and a worse experience.

Nothing fun about that.

ŠternbergOct 25, 20174 votes

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No argument there, but when a player goes Teemo "supp" and (despite everyone elses disagreement) ends up useless and feeding like there's no tomorrow then sorry, but i disagree. Don't come to me saying "it was fun" because it wasn't.

Played 3 games as teemo support. Got an S and A twice. Played 2 games as lux support. Obvious S. https://gyazo.com/7bd3979c78f8827b57fd0ab9e7a5588d

Teemo support is busted if you know what you are doing. Camouflage is key to success.

Ozzie StormOct 26, 20172 votes

Which is why i always tend to give said player a chance to redeem his choice/pick, and it's cases like yours which are the most enjoyable of them all.

Similar to that i had the great idea of a Pantheon supp, told our team to believe in me and they did. Long story short it was one of the best games i've played this season. The team was chill, we had an amazing game and everyone was happy (got an S and a chest out of it too ;D )

egOrhythmOct 26, 20172 votes

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No argument there, but when a player goes Teemo "supp" and (despite everyone elses disagreement) ends up useless and feeding like there's no tomorrow then sorry, but i disagree. Don't come to me saying "it was fun" because it wasn't.

You should know by now that anyone who plays Teemo plays to tilt everyone. EVERYone.

RootloOct 25, 20173 votes

The way i see it, if you are so hell-bent on winning, play ranked where winning actually matters. In norms. as long as people arent actively trying to troll and lose the game for their team, its ok to play any champ in any role.

Jet SettOct 25, 20177 votes

I mean some people try to practice for ranked in normals, especially when their at a certain amount of LP.

RootloOct 25, 20173 votes

Yeah but majority of normal player are playing new champs or just dont take norms as seriously. Practicing for ranked outside of ranked is really hard to successfully do.

Big Black CrocOct 25, 20173 votes

If you want to play any champ in any role do that shit in blind pick or custom games.

RootloOct 25, 20172 votes

Blind pick is the same as normal draft pick bro. Just no mirror matchups and you can remove some champs. Thats it, at the end of the day, winning/losing either one means nothing

TimX24968BOct 25, 20172 votes

blind pick tends to be less serious and more likely to have a troll in it than normal draft.

neither give you a headache like ranked does, though.

TimX24968BOct 25, 20173 votes

damn, someone's chained to the meta.

Big Black CrocOct 26, 20173 votes

damn, someone doesn't want to troll 4 other people by playing any champ in any role.

TimX24968BOct 26, 20172 votes

"trolling other people?"

that sounds like what people said about fnatic in s1 when they tried to break the meta by bringing marksman/support botlane instead of having 2 fighters down there.

metas evolve by picks like this by people who know how to make them successful. if you're saying someone cant be played in a certain role, it means you haven't found a way to play them in that role, not that you can't.

Big Black CrocOct 26, 20171 votes

i'm saying picking off meta will have more chance to do bad than good.im not saying off meta is auto-lose, i'm saying in a normal ranked game, off meta is the wrong place to do it in, so you don't troll your team by picking a horrible champ in a role. why not play it in blind or custom game where people don't give a shit if your feeding. picking off meta is way more likely to lose than picking meta, dont take the chance in a normal/ranked game where people try to win.

Penta PenguinOct 26, 20174 votes

blind pick is garbage until they let you select your role

DragfinOct 25, 20173 votes

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Honestly ridiclous, I've slipped and almost died from all the sweat some players have in norms. I'm not saying go full ad raka without your teammates acceptance of course, but at least try to have fun!

There is a place where you and 9 of your friends can go and have as much fun as you want without affecting other people. It's called custom mode. Go there or deal with the negative feedback from those who don't think like you do instead of coming here and whining about something that is 100% your fault to begin with.

Pumpkin LubeOct 25, 20173 votes

You DO know what game this is right? 90% of the community doesn't have 4 friends to play with let alone 9. I reserve the right to play with whatever I want and piss off whoever I want as long as I try to win the game, which I always do. If someone flames you for playing off meta, they need to realize it is a video game, designed for enjoyment, not for being the #1 win every game master. Go play ranked if you care about winning.

wyvern011976Oct 26, 20173 votes

But its not designed JUST FOR YOUR ENJOYMENT. The point of the game is to win or there really is no point. The game is popular so obviously most people agree that trying to win is fun. So maybe try custom games (if you post on the boards you will find players almost anytime) instead of assuming in a game where the point is to win you are cool to make up new rules because that's how you have fun.

TimX24968BOct 25, 20173 votes

there is a method of trolling called "minimizing", which involves taking a situation, such as the current state of the game in this case, and making it seem insignificant and unserious, typically in an attempt to mask up poor performance within that game. one example would be include: inting or performing poorly, but regard less of intent, responding "oh, its just a game" or something similar.

this seems like the kind of tactic you are trying to employ. its one thing to have fun and try something more risky and cheesy, but to do it in a way that reduces the seriousness/mental state of the current game is a bit more questionable.

IcyPepperOct 25, 20173 votes

its one thing to have fun and try something more risky and cheesy, but to do it in a way that reduces the seriousness/mental state of the current game is a bit more questionable.

Didn't he say

I'm not saying go full ad raka without your teammates acceptance of course, but at least try to have fun!

I don't think your assessment is fair, as OP does seem aware of not taking it too far.

Rico NastyOct 26, 20173 votes

Honestly yeah, I do not play ranked at all. I hate competitiveness. Playing norms is so relaxing for me after a really hard day, but some people make it out to be a life-or-death situation. ITS NOT THAT DEEEEP JUST HAVE FUN AND CHILL TF OUT.

NekoniClawsOct 26, 20172 votes

Nono- go full ad raka without your team's acceptence.

You're in their elo with a 50% winrate, you're sitting through everyone's full AD teams, you're living without your front line tanks. You're suffering the repercussions of a CC-less squishy team vs a fed Yi.

No-one's tryharding. Oh, they want to win, but they're going to play what they want while they do it? Why shouldn't you?

AgeOfTheMageOct 26, 20171 votes

._.

NekoniClawsOct 26, 20171 votes

Trust me, I main sup tanks. I wanna' play one game without being tank?

"Uhh... sup... we need a tank"

Full ad team, and I'm playing a tank.

"Hey, can you play an AP?"

If I don't do what's needed, our chances of winning drop like a freight train. Thing is- it's not my responsibility, it's everyone's. An off-meta teamcomp is no different from an off-meta pick.

AgeOfTheMageOct 26, 20172 votes

Sure, team comps are essential in league, and sometimes you will have to sacrifice yourself for the greater good, but not always.

Telephone BoothOct 26, 20172 votes

I think you're entitled to your opinion. Personally, I think everyone takes ranked, norms, just league in general too seriously. But it's not my place to tell people what to take serious, and how to have fun. Maybe taking it serious is more fun to them in the end. Its not your place to tell people how to treat norms, basically is all I'm saying.

VougeOct 26, 20171 votes

The best thing IMO is when the other team flames you for strange picks. For example, a week and a half ago my team decided to go all marksmen just for laughs, even though we were 100% going to lose. The Sejuani on the other team couldn't go 30 seconds without flaming our Xayah jg, who was actually doing quite well for a short period. Pretty funny stuff.

jjcool99Oct 26, 20173 votes

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The best thing IMO is when the other team flames you for strange picks. For example, a week and a half ago my team decided to go all marksmen just for laughs, even though we were 100% going to lose. The Sejuani on the other team couldn't go 30 seconds without flaming our Xayah jg, who was actually doing quite well for a short period. Pretty funny stuff.

hey man long as your not holding other players hostage with your weird comps do what ever you want. and by that i mean have like 4 friends who want to play that and force 1 solo dude to ruin his day.