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League Community and its inability to Understand "New" Players

JainaProudgurl··164 votes·7,591 views

So today, I was playing by myself in solo queue. I'm level 30 and have been playing since Season 2. I got stuck in a game where there was a low level, and of course, I was against him. I quickly overwhelmed him and we were talking in all chat, and I was telling him I'm sorry that he got a crap matchup, since it was his first time playing his champ in normals and its not like it was his fault he had to go against me. But that's not what annoyed me. Here's this new player that autolocked a champ because he didn't know how to play anything else, and then he goes and does horribly. Doesn't the league community get that this is punishment enough? Apparently not. Instead, I sat there and watched as his entire team converged on him, saying that he's a noob and that he's the reason they're losing, when he's trying his best to play. Whats even more annoying, is that these people aren't even doing well themselves. I mean in this specific game, they had a Teemo ADC that though he was some kinda big shot. All I could do was argue for him in an attempt to make him feel better.

I mean, we all started somewhere, and I know the community wasn't that bad when I started. I mean I come from Season 2; there was no matchmaking system that put me with other low levels. My level 30 friends all immediately forced me into PvP matches, and they gave me tips on how to play and get better. Back then, I was this guy. Game after game, I would autolock the same character. Game after game, I would do horribly. And you know what? Back then, I only heard one thing: "You tried your best."

It makes me sad to see what this game has come to, and what it used to be. I'm writing this post for both high and low level players, both experienced and inexperienced. This is a game guys: Its not life or death. Another win doesn't guarantee the world won't end. And are we people? Or are we animals? Our inability to comprehend what these new players go through now days is just aggravating. Ever since I became a decent player, I spend every waking moment with my low level friends, helping them getting better at the game. What makes us human is our ability to work together to achieve things, not tear each other apart like rabid animals.

So next time you meet one of these people, I hope you have the decency to support him to whatever ends it may be. Lets teach these new players what league is about. Its about meeting new friends and having a good time. Lets not go down as some crumby generation of ragers, know-it-alls, and arrogant pigheads. Instead, lets go down as the people who understood.

116 Comments

Dukues40 votes

Season 1 vet. I know what your saying. I never remember being bullied for being new. I did not even know what jungle or support meant until season 2 when I started playing ranked. And I probably had 1000 normal games played by then...... Now if you don't have a jungle and support in a level 5 game people rage like crazy. And its pretty much impossible to jungle unless you Warwick Nunu pre 30 without runes/masteries.

I have 3 level 30 accounts and ranking up was not fun at all. A few games I am the asshole beating up on new players. Then after a few games it turns into playing with other smurfs raging every game. The 1 to 2 actual new players in those games are trying their best and everyone is raging at each other and the new players. It's a really shitty environment and I have no idea why anyone would stick playing with this game these days if their new. Unless they had a ton of friends who play it. And since all these new players see is raging and flaming they believe it is part of the game and pick up on doing it as well.

It just sucks even trying to teach new players because they are expected to play like veterans when really it should be all about having fun and trying new things. I mean obviously it helps to learn the game but you should not be expected to know everything about every champ, items, build in low level games.

shalexade3 votes

To be fair, the concept of a zero-cs support didn't really crack NA until season 2- and jungling only had a couple of viable options back in season 1.

Even when I started back in S2 (Just before the Talon release)- people raged out in the low levels if they didn't have a support/jungle. People are quick to catch onto the meta, even when they are new.

Dukues1 votes

{quoted}

To be fair, the concept of a zero-cs support didn't really crack NA until season 2- and jungling only had a couple of viable options back in season 1.

Even when I started back in S2 (Just before the Talon release)- people raged out in the low levels if they didn't have a support/jungle. People are quick to catch onto the meta, even when they are new.

Well that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for letting me know haha

Jaysoon1 votes

lool, i remember i tried to use nunus bite thing that does true damage to monsters and minions only and kept trying to use it on champions, no one told me i was trash tho :/

No flash no life22 votes

I refuse to believe people are harsh to new players simply because of their poor performances. They intended to bully others to begin with, and poor performance is nothing more than an excuse to justify their verbal abuse.

We're not dumb, we know very well putting blame on someone is only going to make his/her performance worse. We do it anyway because we don't care about the game and it's something else - our ease of mind - that we're after; whether the game is lost or not is none of our concern as long as we had the pleasure of demonstrating hate speech at its finest.

JainaProudgurl4 votes

They actually are like that. I've invited more friends than I can count to join the league community, and game after game with my friends always ends the same: With the rest of my team bashing on them because they're suppost to be secret pros.

And if what your saying is correct, Riot isn't doing something right, now are they? :P

SlntReaper3 votes

Are you kidding me? Riot is actively encouraging this abuse. So we become their slaves and do what they want. Helping the player base is like a cookie held in front of our eyes that we never get. It's motivational, but at the end of the day they aren't doing anything about it. It keeps us in the game, and that's all it does for us. For them, they bring in loads of money. They can do whatever they want since they can keep on using this as motivation. It's all part of the corporate abuse of power. Riot has joined them. It's simple: they've found out they can do whatever they want and still make money. So they fuck with us this way and then roll in hundred dollar bills.

Terchio2 votes

Are you kidding me? Riot is actively encouraging this abuse.

Do explain. I haven't heard anything from Riot relating to directly supporting toxic behavior. Inactivity is not the same as encouraging, and is subjective at best. They took a big chance getting rid of Tyler1 already, I wouldn't say that's nothing by any stretch. To then move from Riot not just ignoring, but flat out encouraging? Proof plz.

If ignoring is the crime, it's still far from any real money scheme. If any monetary benefit is key here, it would be the limited support influence on the game, which is still money leaving Riot's pockets every day with limited gameplay improvement/evolution involved. Player support is one of the hardest things for MMOs to fund for that reason; it never is a powerful advertising tagline, as there will always be someone vocal to whine, even if you spend a mint on support.

Or maybe I'm wrong. Do tell me, how do you outright fix this abuse, as suggested, with 10+ million players a day (as advertised by Riot), probably millions of games, across several languages and cultures?

Meta Phyton1 votes

Hold on, I went a bit wild with my writing yesterday, and I have to clean it up before I leave it up. I'll have my post up again sometime later today.

SlntReaper2 votes

The corporate abuse of power as shown by the neoliberal aspect in corporate America is focused on making money. To do anything else, like use your corporation to raise money for charities, is merely a method of winning over the populace. White corporate America knows they control most of the world and world leaders, through bribes, lobbying, and sheer intimidation. And also through the fact that they hold the money and therefore the power. Look at America today. We actively encourage people to abuse power for money. It is a neoliberal aspect that began in the 70s. Today, CEO's earn 300 times the amount their employees do. They also own more money than the entire bottom 60% of the world. A corporate mindset values making money. Riot, as a big company, has bought into the world order as "corporations on top, people are resources." They merely see us as dollar signs. Oh sure, each individual Rioter is different, and there are a lot of great Rioters out there. However, the bigwig CEO's at the top are interested in the profit margin. They view the world as a way to make money. This is the world we live in today. It is influenced by and led by the corporations that control our everyday lives.

"Since the 1980s, the culture of neoliberalism with its emphasis on the self, privatization and consumerism largely has functioned to disparage any notion of the public good, social responsibility and collective action..." Giroux, Prof of Cultural Studies @ McMaster University, 14

This is America as it is now, and Riot is encouraging this abuse of power by making us do what they want. It's kind of like a Stockholm Syndrome, except it affects the entire populace of League.

The end of the road for America in the current path it is taking is social crisis and extinction. We cannot avoid the fact that the overuse of natural resources, deforestation, ecological destruction, and destruction of the biosphere lead to an environmental crisis. And we all know the world is dependent on nature to even survive. The food you eat, the air you breath, and the water you drink come from nature. For now, things aren't much better. The system Riot partakes in causes perpetual growth where the ever-growing poor are locked in a system of suffering and death.

People who understand why this is happening have a moral obligation to highlight this. Because I am writing about this I'm sure to have my account and all posts related to it deleted. But the point of this is to draw attention, and this creates pressure for companies to solve their problems instead of pushing it under the rug. The more people "choose not only to identify patterns but also highlight the pathological systems from which they emerge, the greater the tension with whoever 'pay[s] the bills'." (Giroux '14) That is my solution.

VoidStaresBack2 votes

None of this explains how Riot is encouraging the abuse or how it makes us their slaves. If you're going to start moralizing, you should at least answer the question you were asked originally.

Terchio1 votes

Oh. A conspiracy theorist. Makes sense. Riot doesn't smite every toxic soul out there, and therefore they are corporate greed incarnate.

And I didn't go around beating up all the bullies as a kid. I'm clearly no better than the bullies themselves. The fallacy is strong in this one.

You have any real evidence of Riot encouraging abuse, rather than "letting it slide," I'll listen. However, I'm done reading out of the wrong textbook.

SlntReaper1 votes

Ok, then I'm wrong. Please disregard what I said above.

Damagefox12 votes

I have been playing sinse season 3, and I see this too often. You have players that can say they are new, and yet the team is all to happy to tell this NEW player how the are such a noob, how much they suck. How the other team needs to report them for intentionally feeding (When they are still learning). But these people are so full of themselves, they think THEY are perfect and expect everyone else to be perfect as well.

I try and help where I can. If someone wants to know something, I am all to happy to try and explain it to the best of my ability. I am not gonna fault them because they are learning a new game. But so many players on this game have become insufferably full of themselves. They sit on a high horse and spit on everyone below them because they think THEY know everything about this game and if someone is new to the game they say "Go to bots!"

Yeah, a bot game can show you how the buttons work, but it cant do a thing about timing, mechanics, picking up ques from your team (like a jungler waiting in the bushes being a signal to bait them back away from thier tower). A new player wouldnt get things like that and its not something programmed into the bot AI.

But No one cares about anyone but themselves, the idea that someone would be new to the game is unimaginable to these people.

I have had many times where a new champion has been released, and People would flame and throw the worst toxicity at a player who didnt immediately "Platinum level hard carry" the entire team with the new champ....5 minutes after thier release.

players are so full of themselves they expect every game to be a perfect game, and heaven help any new players still trying to actually learn how the game works.

elduris9 votes

I love this post, thanks for making it. I've been playing since season 1 and while the game has lost a lot of the charm that comes with the mystery of newer games, I still enjoy it a lot. It really sucks when people all gang up on you like that. Luckily there are people like you out there to make it suck less. Keep fighting the good fight and I will too.

PPR Indi1 votes

why is your name blue? :O

PaladinNO1 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/opVBd7rZ-introducing-the-arbiters

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

PPR Indi1 votes

thanks ;)

Fox Byte5 votes

Thank you, I mean I'm level 30 now and have been playing for several months but still thank you. It was a horrific experience when I first started and when I first played ranked. So for all the new players out there you are kind to I just want to thank you.

scazzman4 votes

In my experience. People actually tolerate newbs. When people get mad. Its because people ARAM thier way to 30. Think they are ready for ranked. And then they refuse to listen to the most basic instructions

JainaProudgurl2 votes

Yeah, but is this a result of them or their environment? I highly doubt there is any new players out there who have managed to get through league free of toxic players, let alone a whole army of them.

Djhrum4 votes

the term "toxic" is abused. Toxic is everything people don´t want to hear. You try to help them and be what RIOT classifies as "helpful", they report you as toxic. For them you are a teacher. And kids hate teachers. Everybody hates teachers. And everybody hates learning. So let´s chill and let them smoke dat spliff. Everything else would be what they call "toxic" when they report you for telling them basic things. And enjoy RIOT idiotic software banning you.

Most newbies are toxic to community because they are not interested in playing seriously. And the community is toxic to them because some poeple here play with a competetive attitude. Worlds of "laziness" and "sportmanship" collide.

JainaProudgurl2 votes

As much as I want to say your wrong, your also right. But I do feel there is something to be said here. See, I'll be honest: most people that just start playing WANT help. Most. Not all. Its the fact that MOST supposed "new players" are actually smurfs. They've already played the game, why would they want YOUR help?

Skins Project1 votes

{quoted}

Most newbies are toxic to community because they are not interested in playing seriously. And the community is toxic to them because some poeple here play with a competetive attitude. Worlds of "laziness" and "sportmanship" collide.

Yea. Like. I'v been reported for telling a jax to e before q'ing... Beyond that 5 mins in the game why I just saay instead of going wukong mid they try top, they say F*CK you go play your own role and ignore me, then go 0/20/0 It kinda does make a person salty t.t

Swaid4 votes

I've been playing since before there were seasons and things have definitely got worse over time.

I think League should implement a tutor program like Dota, offer IP or RP as incentive for veterans to teach newbies in a friendly environment in sand box mode.

PlenHeart3 votes

For one, I love this, you said it right. I didn't start playing till the end of season 3 and I remember right from my first pvp games my friends invited me to, I got hit hard by verbal abuse, including one of the "friend of a friend" people was calling me shit for buying the wrong items, not that I knew what to do, I didn't really understand much back then. Anyways, it's really nice to hear such a positive message, it does give me a bit of hope for the community. I still scarcely believe that I ever made it this long with the game, but meeting some friends and nice people like you really helped. Thanks for your kindness. :)

Demopyro23 votes

Here's my story of being a Dota2 smurf. I used to play Dota a lot, and one day, one of my friends recommended Lol. I downloaded the game and was placed with people who had no idea how to play the Moba genre. At that time, I was like a toxic smurf. I easily crushed waves of beginners. Then, I got placed with the real smurfs. While I could play with them, I realized how toxic and ego maniacal they were. They kept on spamming chat, threatening reports to all players there. Seriously, I think I saw Tyler 1 level toxicity. Realizing this, I decided that I didn't want to be like them, and now I am not toxic anymore. I really like that someone brought up this topic. ALSO VOTE FOR WHOEVER WANT ASHE THORNMAIL TUTORIAL REMOVED

Dukues1 votes

ALSO VOTE FOR WHOEVER WANT ASHE THORNMAIL TUTORIAL REMOVED

I think that's Riots hint that thornmail on Ashe is actually beyond challenger level good. Just no one has picked up on it yet.

Nice comment by the way, happy you decided to stay on the positive side. I have jumped back and forth from being toxic to now being chill and honestly I love being chill a lot more than being a toxic PoS.

Jk about the ashe thornmail thing btw.

TheSingularity3 votes

Started in season 3. My first jungle game at lvl 16. I fed a lvl 30 shaco. 3 people flamed me. But the shaco tutored me in pink ward placement, leashed my buffs, showed me how to gank and even leashed me a baron to give a big "f*ck you" to the rest of my team. It was fken hilarious as me and the support danced in baron pit with their team. And then they killed the other 3 when they turned up uninvited. Then we resumed dancing. Think they were pre made cos they ffed at like 50 minutes.

I'm forever in that shaco's debt [zombie-nunu-hearts]

Tr4f4lg4r3 votes

Faith in community restored

SlntReaper3 votes

Welcome to the internet. People are usually like this, but since lol has gotten bigger, more people are coming in. And that increases the flamers and trolls. As a result, actually good hearted people leave for other games because lol is too toxic. Then those toxic people fill the gap. It's a vicious cycle made possible by the anonymity of the internet. I can be a dick about whatever I want and because they don't know who I am they can't fight back. Even popular people are not immune to this. Take a look at one of Laughing Fish's recent posts where he mocked RaptorKarr's mother even though it was a sore spot for him. Lol isn't gonna get better any time soon, and it could get a whole lot worse. The thing is, LC$ and the encouragement, no requirement, that you be god at your champion has created a super competitive environment where the only thing that matters is winning. "Screw having fun, I like fucking with the sorry ass motherfucking shits that I beat the hell out of." That's the player Riot is cultivating. And they know it, since they obviously aren't doing anything about it. Riot isn't gonna do anything because Lol as it is brings in too much money. And we all know, money, not the spin on the earth caused by asteroid and Moon collisions, makes the world go round and round. I am one of those new people who has sat back and just watched lol from the beginning of season 6 till now. And I can tell you, at preseason 6, the toxicity wasn't as high. But as dynamic queue, Tecent pressures, and LC$ took Riot's priority list, they forgot about the noobs. The tryhards. The people who play this game to have fun. Instead they encourage you to vent your frustration at your team. Alas, this happens to every multiplayer game. World of Tanks. World of Warcraft. DOTA 2. It is a corporate decision to oppress us by using our fellow players so they can remain in control. So we are actually worshipful when they do something they request. Internet companies know the people who play their games are extremely desperate, and they allow this abuse to happen because it boosts their rating when they do something. Even if it's just to make more money. It's all a corporate game of money and profits. At this point, Riot doesn't care about us and they actively manipulate the player base for more money. Look at the new PROJECT skins. Skins like PROJECT: Ashe were so highly received that they made all of this First Strike bullshit. They know we have to do what they want and buy their First Strike chests so we can feel better. They overprice the OP champions so we have to buy them for RP. The average lol player isn't gonna earn 6300 IP in a month, or even two months so they feel obligated to get them for RP. Riot actively uses this toxicity to also make a point. The point they make is one of coercion: do what they want or you won't see the player base get any better. It's like a drug. The more you use it the more you want it, so your supplier ratchets up the price so you want it more.

Magical Player2 votes

did you know, if you are new to anything you're automatically the least knowledgeable person there?

If your going to insta lock a champion, do poorly. It doesn't matter if your new or not. That is typical league hazing of under performing players

JainaProudgurl14 votes

But is it? Let me put this in perspective. Your new to League. You just bought a new character. You played this character over and over and over against bots, and you beat them EVERY time. Then you go into normals. You only know how to play one champ, so you autolock them and just go wherever. You go against a Yasuo mid and feed. Hard. Your mad because you've played this character over and over but can't defeat this guy. All the meanwhile, your entire team is yelling at you for being bad at the game, but really, what could you do? You weren't gonna get any better with the champ by doing bots. And its not like you know how to play someone else either. the only way to get better, is through playing the champ in normals, over and over, till you understand how people play. But that's hard when your constantly harassed .

And here's a good question: Why do you think the report button says "Intentionally Feeding (Not just having a bad game)"

I WILL TROLL YOU2 votes

Psssh , just get gud.

Do you even ranked bro ?

Reported non meta pick.

I think that about sums up the community.

Child Puncher1 votes

it's not that they can't accept them due to inability, which is a nicely crafted phrase by someone who is EXTREMELY butthurt, acting as though these people have some sort of mental deficiency because they're tired of riot's system placing you with them

the toxicity is bread by a bad matchmaking system, people who've played for years don't really ever want to play with new players, it just brings the entire competitive-ness of the game way down, and this is perfectly understandable

it's not your fault for being new, but it's not really their fault that the system places new players be default in mid silver when they've known for years now that new players in almost all situations play like bronze 5 or worse and should not be placed up to 9 divisions above that as a default for being a placeholder in 10 games

JainaProudgurl2 votes

the toxicity is bread by a bad matchmaking system, people who've played for years don't really ever want to play with new players, it just brings the entire competitive-ness of the game way down, and this is perfectly understandable

I have two problems with this. One, some people enjoy playing with new players and teaching them. If they made it so if I queued up with a friend that's level 1 and it gave us all level 1's, no offense, but I'd likely mop the floor with them, making for a very unenjoyable game. There's no good way to fix that unless you do averaging, and even then, it still can be a bit one-sided. So yes, I semi-agree that matchmaking should be reworked, but I can't think of a way of doing it without making it so accustomed players cant play with their lower level counterparts.

For two, there's ranked for a reason. If you want to be competitive, go play ranked. I do think however, they do need to limit who can play ranked, cause I do believe that too many new players go straight to ranked without thinking twice. Not to say they can't do well, but most new players aren't ready for the competitive scene due to just the lack of overall experience.

BreakYourShell1 votes

I guess im lucky when I was playing against high lvls when I was low lvl it wasnt the enemy team flaming me , it was my friends in the skype and they were just making excuses to not play with me... now that Im typing this I dont think the lucky one :(

JainaProudgurl2 votes

Its okay. Like I said, every player was new at one point or another, and although when we start, some people might play better, none of us are secret pros right off the bat. And a bit of friendship advice: If they don't understand this, then they probably aren't great friends to hang with :P

Skins Project1 votes

Just to add on I find the best way to start out is with another friend who's also starting out but maybe a bit ahead of you on the MOBA genre. Playing with high elo players matchmakes you with higher elo players resulting in a saltier group of people. Other then that I would say riot just makes it so smurfs are more "Legal" and put it at the beginning like when they ask your experience and just group the smurfs together in most cases. (Even if some smurfs will say no)

Feel Apathy1 votes

We tolerate newbies, but those newbies are the most toxic scum I've met in a couple of years now and nobody likes that hence why you got the idea.

JainaProudgurl3 votes

I think you mistake "new players" for smurfs. You got to realize, that most supposed new players are smurfs, and i think that's a problem too. Riot does nothing to stop people from making new accounts at all, despite having another account already. I think they should make it so that you can only have one account no matter what, and that you can't just make a new account after you get punished, cause I've seen plenty of that too.

PapaGreg211 votes

You do realize it was YOU that made him miserable for half an hour by playing on a smurf account right? The reason everyone was mad at him was because you involved yourself in a match where you didn't belong and not only made it unfun for him to play, but I assume the rest of his team as they had to deal with a 4 year veteran while they were still learning.

JainaProudgurl7 votes

I wasn't on a smurf account? O.o I was playing with some low level friends who wanted help learning. And I don't think I made him miserable. Actually, he added me as a friend and said "thank you for sticking up for me".

Weathered1 votes

Off topic ~

All I want to say is that, in regards to normals, my games range from Bronze to Diamond players. I'm in mid Gold. If I hadn't looked up the people, I couldn't tell who was who. My Diamond adc will get first blood against the silver support on the other team, but then their bronze mid comes and double kills botlane.

I honestly can't tell people by their rank, which makes it hard to try to help people (which I try to do). I don't want to tell this Diamond player that his ability is an aa reset because I'll either look like captain obvious, someone who is condescending, or something else. But the guy honestly doesn't know.

And I'm here saying fml because the season I actually do well enough to climb is the one where everyone either doesn't belong in their rank or believes that everyone doesn't belong in their rank.

Blanchimont1 votes

It's hard to convince new players to play 500 games so they can get to level 30 for all their masteries then play another 1000 games so they can buy enough champions for ranked and then another 1000 more games for runes in so they can actually win in ranked.

FireStorm211 votes

"Ever since I became a decent player"

I laughed when I saw this but ya man I agree. (since he is Bronze 1)

JainaProudgurl1 votes

Another big problem: Everyone thinks that rank means something. But it doesn't mean shit to someone that doesn't do ranked :) You got to realize, that if you've never really done ranked before, every season its gonna place you in bronze no matter your score. I could have went 10/0 in my placements and still got placed in Bronze xD. And even if I did do ranked, I wouldn't get anywhere without a duo partner. #strugglesofbeingasupportmain

FireStorm211 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lily Stoneweaver,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=u1a2xK0I,comment-id=00380000,timestamp=2016-07-21T14:17:06.625+0000)

Another big problem: Everyone thinks that rank means something. But it doesn't mean shit to someone that doesn't do ranked :) You got to realize, that if you've never really done ranked before, every season its gonna place you in bronze no matter your score. I could have went 10/0 in my placements and still got placed in Bronze xD. And even if I did do ranked, I wouldn't get anywhere without a duo partner. #strugglesofbeingasupportmain

Yes, in general ranked doesn't mean much, however it is also important to understand that players at higher ranks tend to play with better players, simple fact the average player in silver is better than bronze, just like challenger is better than master. As a result higher ranked players tend to be able to be overall better players both at game knowledge and mechanics. Basically what I'm trying to say is, regardless of how serious you take ranked play to be, your rank is one indicator of how good you are. (Not saying it's the only, or that if your bronze your simply bad, but I am saying in general terms, the higher the rank of a player, the better that player tends to be.)

Takerial Akashi1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lily Stoneweaver,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=u1a2xK0I,comment-id=00380000,timestamp=2016-07-21T14:17:06.625+0000)

Another big problem: Everyone thinks that rank means something. But it doesn't mean shit to someone that doesn't do ranked :) You got to realize, that if you've never really done ranked before, every season its gonna place you in bronze no matter your score. I could have went 10/0 in my placements and still got placed in Bronze xD. And even if I did do ranked, I wouldn't get anywhere without a duo partner. #strugglesofbeingasupportmain

No it doesn't.

When you do your very first ranked placement, you start AT Silver level, around Silver IV 50 LP is about the level, though it could even be a little higher at Silver IV 100 LP. This is because Silver III is about the median level of the entire player's base.

You actually have to lose most of your games in your very first placement to get bronze.

It's actually easier to get into bronze with a reset than it is to go it first time placement.

And it's actually pretty hard to stay in bronze without doing really badly too, not with the way the new system is set up. It use to be, if you have more than 100 games in Bronze without really climbing, you deserve to be there.

Now? If you have more than 30 games without making progress you deserve to be there. Just because it's so hard to stay down without doing bad.

cornpirde1 votes

I started in S2 and played on and off a lot through out the years but the league community is a joke lols, I honestly feel League was at its best S2~ mid S4 things just went to crap.

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There should be one more forgemaster item each for Mages and ADCs
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16
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