Remember Dunkey?

Troxic··1 votes·2,602 views

Remember his video about quitting league? https://youtu.be/VjzgbZL12VI

It only has 9 million views.

I still am blown away by how childish Riot is as a company. When he asked to be unbanned to finish his video, being such a huge promoter of the game for years, they responded "nope, you're toxic".

Heaven forbid they have any class and at least say something like "Thank you for all of the work you have done on Youtube. We appreciate it but unfortunately we will not unban you...."

NOW, lets talk about perception. When Dunkey gets 9 million views from a video where he explicitly says that banning people for shit talking is stupid and the ROOT cause of the toxicity is the GAME itself, he gets praise and upvoted.

When a nobody idiot like myself who mains Aatrox says the same thing on the board, I get down voted into oblivion. However, I stand with Dunkey on this, and my view of this was always the same before I ever heard of Dunkey.

I will say it again--it shouldn't matter what you say in the game. 1) no one forces you to play B) no one forces you to have chat on III) no one forces to you not mute the player who says things you don't like.

Grow the fuck up. Its a game, the point of the game IS THE GAME. Not trying to micro manage peoples personalities and homogenize us into little drones who all play nice. Fuck that and fuck you.

Riot wants less toxic people. What a joke. They slap us in the face daily with their horseshit customer service and idiotic changes to the game. They take a huge fucking break right before season 8, which will debut not balanced at all. They bombard us with dumbfuck changes to champions, while leaving their pet favorites always strong. But worst of all, which is manifested in the game where now any CC kills you and everyone, even tanks, are bursting people down in seconds is....

...CHANGES TO THE GAME THAT TRY TO CATER TO THE MASSES DESPITE THE FACT THAT THEY AREN'T THE HARDCORE PLAYERS WHO WILL STAY FOR THE LONG TERM. The way league used to be is what made the game. But for a few extra bucks Riot is happy to take a steaming shit on the faces of the players who have been here for years. Who cares about fun, or good game play right? As long as things are flashy and shit players can feel like they are good, THAT'S what matters right?

Instead of banning players for language, can we please ban most of the development team for dumb fuck ideas? Scratch that, I bet you its only 2 or 3 assholes with over inflated egos who want to cram their idiot ideas down the throats of the players. Egos inflated because they have equated monetary success with their ideas. Of course, that is nonsense BECAUSE...

a)large customer base due to entry into market at the right time 2)addictive game means that players keep playing despite massive flaws iii)Less competition in the online gaming world when Riot rose to power Four) Suck a dick Riot.

65 Comments

Jo0o12 votes

Riot's far from a perfect company, and has made many mistakes. Sure. I don't see how complaints about the way the game is changing has anything to do with the punishment system.

The behavioral system boils down to "don't be a dick", and you get plenty of chances to not be a dick before it bans you. That seems pretty fucking reasonable to me.

Troxic1 votes

Not really. Saying "That seems pretty fucking reasonable to me" in chat could get you banned. You are not allowed to talk how you want to talk because others MIGHT be offended. If you don't see the problem with this, there is nothing for me to say.

Jo0o2 votes

No, Riot explicitly allows cursing. You just aren't supposed to harass people, with or without the use of curse words. Source: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/dN1Et655-riot-do-i-get-banned-if-i-type-in-allchat-caw-caw-motherfucker-when-playing-fiddlesticks?show=new

Feel free to cite an example proving me wrong.

hshtagniemehrcdu5 votes

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Not really. Saying "That seems pretty fucking reasonable to me" in chat could get you banned.

Really? Feel free to show me a case like that. Please.

You people always completly exxagerate about what gets you banned, in an attempt to make the ban system loo stupid.

This comment wouldn't even get you single CR!

Disagree? Show me some actual examples, please - your persona hate without backing it up is irrelevant.

You are not allowed to talk how you want to talk because others MIGHT be offended. If you don't see the problem with this, there is nothing for me to say.

You are not allowed to be a total dick to other customers. Reasonable. Getting banned takes a** lot of effort. ** It does **not *happen fast, it doesn't happen for a little passive agressiveness, it doesn't some rare f you.

It happens for a) hatespeech b) consisten flaming over dozens and dozens of games with plenty of chance to improve.

IF you don't like that, don't play it.

Making up shit about what gets you banned isn't an argument.

If you are not capable of palying without constantly pissing off everyone around you, then you - and nobody else - is the problem.

Oh, and you do know this video was meant as a **joke **from dunkey, right?

Troxic1 votes

Haha right, so he DIDNT get banned? Dude he sounded sad in the video. Explain how it was a joke?

hshtagniemehrcdu2 votes

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Haha right, so he DIDNT get banned? Dude he sounded sad in the video. Explain how it was a joke?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7LOwuhp0t0&t=21s

The very first words in the video... "just kidding"

He took it down after his fans got pissed, but there's a reupload.

Troxic1 votes

You are trying to impose a standard of behavoir online that is the same standard as in person. That is incorrect. All behavoir is based on the situation--you act differently a funderal vs a wedding vs a college party vs at dinner with you family. You say things in certain ways that are acceptable for the situation. You want to impose how you think people should behave in real life onto online situations. Saying what people say online is wildly inappropriate in person, but that does not mean its inappropriate online.

hshtagniemehrcdu2 votes

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You are trying to impose a standard of behavoir online that is the same standard as in person. That is incorrect. All behavoir is based on the situation--you act differently a funderal vs a wedding vs a college party vs at dinner with you family. You say things in certain ways that are acceptable for the situation.

And constantly flaming and harrasing other players is not acceptable in LoL. If you do not like that, then don't play the game. It pisses people of who want to play a game, and it directly lowers your chances of winning.

The reason these things will, if to excessive and agressive, get you banned, is, that people do not want them in their games.

If there's oh so many people that enjoy being a total dick and that enjoy flamign others, then there shoud be a wide-open market for another game, which would also have the substantial advantage that they would not have to pay a shitload for player behaviour systems.

Troxic1 votes

I think players should be free to say what they want. IF a player doesn't like it they can mute them, just like you would walk away from someone who is bothering you. You won't know if there is a market because you have been conditioned in this context by Riot and others that players should behave a certain way online. Players would play the games regardless without the bans and restrictions. I don't enjoy being a dick, but sometimes a teammate acts in a way where he deserves to be called out. And I think people are okay with everyone expressing themselves the way THEY WANT TO. Instead of phony outrage over offensive words. Who cares. No one. Waste of time to try to change how people want to behave.

hshtagniemehrcdu2 votes

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I think players should be free to say what they want.

And i think a player should be able to play the game without having to mute some flamer every game.

IF a player doesn't like it they can mute them,

Damage done, you are pissed off if you have to mute someone. The existence of protection does not justify the use of whatever you use to piss someone off

just like you would walk away from someone who is bothering you.

No? If someone i work with would be a complete and total jackass, and would continue to be such, i would not walk away- he would get fired asap.

You won't know if there is a market because you have been conditioned in this context by Riot and others that players should behave a certain way online.

We live in a capitalist society. Now, in order to develop all their PB systems, Riot needs to hire people. They need to provide them with equipment, a workspace, pay them etc etc. This all costs money. A LOT of money. If most players would not like this, Riot would make much more money by simply not doing anything at all. They have to spend less; Players would be happier. Happier players -->more of them --> more profit.

It would be highly counterproductive for them to do such a thing if the world were really as you described. Why the hell do you think does Riot keep this up? Why would non of the other **existing **mobas just scrap all PB systems? They'd have substantially lower costs + , according to you, more attractive game.

Why do you think does the biggest moba out there have one of the most extensive PB systems?

You can keep posting your opinion on the matter - you have nothing, absolutly nothing that supports any of it, but you have a ton of things supporting the opposite.

Players would play the games regardless without the bans and restrictions. I don't enjoy being a dick, but sometimes a teammate acts in a way where he deserves to be called out. And I think people are okay with everyone expressing themselves the way THEY WANT TO. Instead of phony outrage over offensive words. Who cares. No one. Waste of time to try to change how people want to behave.

Just your opinion. Look for a game that supports it.

Troxic1 votes

"If most players would not like this, Riot would make much more money by simply not doing anything at all. They have to spend less; Players would be happier. Happier players -->more of them --> more profit."

None of this matters. Gamers are very forgiving and play DESPITE flaws in a game. You are drawing conclusions that you or Riot can't possibly know. HAPPY players would mean a more balanced game would would reduce toxicity. But you would rather focus on the symptom. Enjoy that myopic view in life

Modi1 votes

I can personally attest that cursing in general will never get you banned. I say "Fuck" more than I should (usually due to my own terrible mistakes) and have yet to receive a punishment for said cursing. Have I been reported? I would guess a large percentage of the player base has been reported at least once. Despite those reports, and my unnecessary cursing: honor five, zero punishments.

What I do not say are things like "You are a fucking terrible player", "go fuck yourself", or similar things. General cursing, when not a slur nor directed at anyone, is not punishable, as far as I can tell.

Troxic1 votes

It all has to do with each other. There is some fundemental flaw at the top of Riot the pushes these mindsets down, about how they think players should behave and the direction that the game is going. Its all coming from the same dumb shit people. And its probably Marc Merrills fault he shaped the company culture, and he himself is an arrogant tool who LITERALLY used to blame the PLAYERS for not understanding how hard it is to be a company that is so successful so quickly.

Jo0o3 votes

Who gives a shit how the culture at Riot works?

The rules that we as players follow are still just variations on "don't be a dick".

HalcyonDweller3 votes

The punishment system actually adjusts and bases it's response to behaviors based on wider trends in how people report stuff. So actually it's not top-down from Riot, but rather, bottom-up.

What is punishable reflects the community's own opinions. Case in point, in Korea, making your mom jokes carries the same weight as hate speech or encouraging self-harm carries in NA. That is because that is how their society views that behavior.

If you can't accept that then maybe you need to read up on how the social contract works and what it means to be a part of a community.

Here's a good place to start: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract

Troxic1 votes

Sorry buddy, but being rude is not immoral. I talk with foul language daily with coworkers, bosses, anyone. If you cant fucking handle that, maybe you should go live in a bubble.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Don't have to say it to me, amigo. Try saying it to the overwhelming majority of people who report for harassment through chat. I don't have to do anything because my stance is already supported and protected by the majority.

You're in the minority here, and with the way the system is currently set up, majority rules. So adapt or leave, your choice. I don't really care either way.

If you want your games to be more fun you should really consider trying to treat your teammates with common decency, I've found that it helps improve the quality of my games and my own level of enjoyment a lot to do so.

Troxic1 votes

The majority supporting your stance does not make it correct. I'm in the minority because I have a brain. You are trying to impose a standard of behavoir online that is the same standard as in person. That is incorrect. All behavoir is based on the situation--you act differently a funderal vs a wedding vs a college party vs at dinner with you family. You say things in certain ways that are acceptable for the situation. You want to impose how you think people should behave in real life onto online situations. Saying what people say online is wildly inappropriate in person, but that does not mean its inappropriate online.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

People should certainly grow thicker skins. But that is no excuse for ignoring tenets of common decency. You are responsible for your own behavior, just as others are for theirs.

Harassment is harassment, end of story. And most people do not find it to be acceptable. Deal with this or face the consequences, it's your choice, and frankly I don't care what you do. Either you will adapt and remain in the community or you will refuse and get yourself kicked out. I don't have a problem with that paradigm, and neither do Riot and most of the community.

I'll repeat myself, I think you would have more fun and more successful matches if you treated others more decently, but I can't make you do so. It is up to you whether or not to make use of such skills, and you have nobody but yourself to blame if things go poorly for you when you don't.

Butt Ρlug1 votes

Well, everyday you tell your boss "kill yourself f**got" ? Everyday you tell you coworkers that they sucks and need to kill themselves ? If you tell it to a friend it's ok, but go tell that to complete strangers and one day you'll have an issue ^^ It's not about cursing everyone curses and it's ok..

Troxic1 votes

Sorry but how you talk to people is based on thte situation. You act differently at a wedding vs a college party vs online. You are trying to say because you wouldnt say x y an z to your boss you shouldn't say it here, and that is completely absurd.

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

And there you go. The answer! In each of the situations you provided you most likely know your audience. You are aware what you can and cannot get away with.

Online, your audience will vary every single game. Just like when you accidentally KS: some will be like "no worries, it was epic" while others will be like "wtf ks!"

Butt Ρlug1 votes

Nope the reason why you shouldn't say x or y is because the majority of people wants toxic players to get banned.. I was taking that example because you said :

I talk with foul language daily with coworkers, bosses, anyone.

It's just like in the real world, for example most people are for the fact that women can have an abortion, so even if a minority think that women should not have the right to do that the law says "woman can have abortion" because it's better for everyone...

RIOT is a business so they wants more and more people to play, so since most players don't want toxicity in their games it's a punishable behavior.

Do you think women shouldn't be able to have an abortion** because a minority of people think so** ? I guess not ! You get the analogy here i hope..

So you have the right to think toxicity should be allowed, but as long as most players don't think that way it won't be and you should follow the rules.

Troxic1 votes

Most players? HOW do you even know that? By default people want to be able to say what they want how they want. YOU need to prove to me that MOST people don't want that freedom. And you can't prove it, you are just making a huge assumption based on nothing.

Also, "It's just like in the real world, for example most people are for the fact that women can have an abortion, so even if a minority think that women should not have the right to do that the law says "woman can have abortion" because it's better for everyone..."

Wrong. This issue divides people right in half. Its not some vast majority vs a minority. That is why its such a polarizing issue. More assumptions on your part.

But please, please respond so I can further point out how you have no idea what are you taking about.

Butt Ρlug2 votes

It has been said quite a lot by riot, there is even an advisor reply on this thread saying it :

When 90+% of the community agrees that players should behave themselves in game, I don’t think the flaw lies with Riot.

Feel free to search other rioters comments about this, there are a lot of those. Just look in the forums there are a lot more threads about "toxic behavior is bad" "why this guy isn't punished yet?" than "why are we not allowed to tell people to kill themselves ?" have also a look at the downvotes on those threads :)

And why your thread has 23 downvotes and not 23 upvotes, if most people were OK wouldn't it be 23 upvotes ? if you say it's 50/50 why is it not 0 ? Same thing with your replies along this thread...

If everyone was OK with toxic behavior, nobody would be banned because nobody would get reported for it ( toxic behavior won't be punished if it's not reported if you don't knew.. ) You have to understand that people report you because of toxic behavior, if they don't care they don't report..

Why would people report toxic behavior if they are OK with it ?

I won't reply further than that, I've already argue with people like you I know you will stick with your conspiracy theory mindset "riot is hiding the facts in fact more than 60% of the playerbase want people to be toxic !!!"

You don't believe it ? Fine feel free to make a pool about "should we be allowed to tell others to kill themselves ?" in this subforum, I'll be more than happy to look at the results..

I'm off :) have fun being toxic

Chermorg9 votes

When 90+% of the community agrees that players should behave themselves in game, I don’t think the flaw lies with Riot.

Troxic1 votes

9 million views for dunkeys video, 10s of thousands of upvotes. My numbers beat yours, he has the same opinion as I do.

Chermorg3 votes

In addition to the Ad Populum fallacy you committed, you must realize that those upvotes are neither statistically significant nor hold any statistical power due to the fact that they are unverified, nonspecific, and not necessarily tied to any league players whatsoever.

Views and upvotes of a video vs. surveys, report data, and actual verifiable League data.

Troxic1 votes

What? I only said that because you started of f with Ad Populum. Are you fucking kidding me right now? Therefore its irrelevant when YOU said "When 90+% of the community agrees that players should behave themselves in game, I don’t think the flaw lies with Riot", THAT was completely irrelevant.

Unfuckingreal.

Chermorg4 votes

The difference is that your ad populum is based on a completely unrelated community and metric that does not relate at all to opinions about behavior in League. Upvotes on that video mean absolutely nothing when you don't know who was upvoting and why they were upvoting.

Troxic1 votes

ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I ONLY USED IT BECAUSE YOU CAME AT ME WITH SOME IRRELEVANT %. Go away now, you are a joke.

Chermorg4 votes

The opinion of the vast majority of the community is not irrelevant.

Troxic1 votes

It is because you can't even prove that. I believe, based on human nature, that its more likely that most people don't care about this and would rather just let everyone say what they want to saw. Haha you think 90% of players like chat bans and restrictions. BASED ON WHAT

Jo0o2 votes

Based on the data that Riot collects and synthesizes? Why would they lie?

Telephone Booth2 votes

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It is because you can't even prove that. I believe, based on human nature, that its more likely that most people don't care about this and would rather just let everyone say what they want to saw. Haha you think 90% of players like chat bans and restrictions. BASED ON WHAT

So you think Riot just decided to create their policies cuz they were offended by the language of their playerbase? Dude, they're a hugely successful company... they have teams for shit like this. They do surveys and studies. That's what it's fucking based on. Research. Not your feeling that most people think this and that. Actual data.

Troxic1 votes

Yes. I absolutely believed its based on their idea how they think players should behave. I don't care how successful they are. Their success is build on copying Dota and entering the market at the right time. There is nothing genius or impressive about their success. Haha please. They don't have any research to back this up. Nor could they possible know how their revenue and player base number would react to no regulations on chat. You are just grasping at straws.

Telephone Booth2 votes

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Yes. I absolutely believed its based on their idea how they think players should behave. I don't care how successful they are. Their success is build on copying Dota and entering the market at the right time. There is nothing genius or impressive about their success. Haha please. They don't have any research to back this up. Nor could they possible know how their revenue and player base number would react to no regulations on chat. You are just grasping at straws.

Wow grasping at straws? Do you not know how corporations operate? Like I said, they literally have teams that research these things. Whatever dude, you've clearly got it all figured out and anything contrary is just a baseless opinion. You're right, dude. You should do PR for a company. You're clearly very good at it.

Troxic1 votes

Haha what teams? You think they have teams doing this, they don't. You want to believe they do, because it strengthens you argument, but I promise you they have never done any analysis on how behavoir rules vs no behavoir rules would effect the overall satisfaction of the players and their profitability. All you have to do is read marc merills blog to understand that big sweeping policy decisions boil down often to just how one person sees the world. They don't need teams and research to decide, because they are in charge, how they think players should behave. You are living in a fantasy world.

General Esdeath 1 votes

You do know 90% of the community is WELL over 9 million right? It's more like 50 million.

Also, views don't mean you agree with it. If I put out a video of "How to fix the world" and I said "we gotta kill all the blacks out there" do you agree with it? You disliked it (I hope), you reported it (I hope), and told me I'm racist in the comments. But you still viewed it. So, by your logic, you must agree with me.

Telephone Booth2 votes

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9 million views for dunkeys video, 10s of thousands of upvotes. My numbers beat yours, he has the same opinion as I do.

Ewww. Shut up.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes
  • 9 million views =/= 9 million people watched it.

  • 100 million active players altogether in LoL, and I'm highly sure majority of those views & upvotes were purely from NA or anyone who has an English tongue.

Hextech OwI3 votes

Dunkey deserved this ban. He told a guy to get gunned down in the street, he basically asked him to kill himself.

Even if the dude was trolling, Dunkey was faulty.

Tyler1 didn't get any of his banned accounts back. There is no special treatment.

BeatzBoyFTW3 votes

Reminder that his punishment was only a 14 days suspension, and he pussied out cz he can't wait for it to end. And you're calling Riot childish?

BobaFlautist2 votes

It costs you precisely $0.00 a day to not flame.

I don't know how I can explain to you just how easy it is not to go off on people.

You literally just... don't. Kinda like how you don't randomly start yelling at people in your da-to-day life about minor mistakes.

Or maybe you're the kind of person that does, maybe that's the issue.

FourIsTheNumber2 votes

"Is being a colossal douchebag bad? No, it's riot who is wrong."

Finn Teh Human2 votes

It's not about "being nice". Riot is okay with competitive shit talking, but when you start saying shit like "hope your family dies" or "die of cancer" and other things, that's no longer shit talking. In fact saying things like that doesn't even have anything to do with League or how someone plays. You wouldn't call people half the shit you do in League IRL if (for example) someone accidentally spilled coffee on you.

Troxic1 votes

please. Ive gotten chat bans for telling teammates to pull their head out of their asses and to stop making dumbfuck moves.

Negativity2 votes

I make a decent about of money from YouTube every year, around 12k not a time but it's like having.l an extra part time job and I love it, you seem to lack some understanding on how it works but yeah

No excuse for misbehaving, example I've dota red around 1000$ of my ad fund to non-profits that work with police and military ( I'm a vet) but if I break the law these guys aren't going easy on me are they? Prbly not

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