5.21 - Report System & Unskilled player

Madtepez·Oct 29, 2015·4 votes·1,358 views

Hey Riot,

Disclaimer : In no way, shape or form do I think that being unskilled is or should be a bannable offense, so let's get that out of the way.

So, I welcome the new interface of the report system, it's great sometimes it was hard to classify what someone exaclty had done and broader category makes that less of a probelm. Good Job, keep on.

The only thing I regret is that the "unskilled player" tag was removed. As said in the disclaimer, I don't recommend anyone being banned or suspended for being unskilled, but I still think that it was a great way to implement some kind of discretion to the MMR calculation. As a purely analytical calculation based on your win %, MMR is flawed. I'm not going to enter into the whole "elo hell" controversy but let's just say that it takes a LOT of game before your MMR reflect your skills. Ofc skill is a relative notion, a plat player would be "unskilled" in master but a god in bronze so I understand how tricky it is.

But I Think that a way in the postgame to influence other player MMR could help alievate that (that would be nice if you could even say that someone is skilled, people kind of use the honorable opponent for that but 1) someone can be skilled but a jerk and 2) honorable opponent does nothing for your MMR)

Regards

16 Comments

eldurisOct 29, 20153 votes

The only thing the unskilled player report was used for was matchmaking and the matchmaking algorithms have improved. There's no need for the unskilled player report anymore, just use one of the other report categories and explain the reason for your report in the box below.

OldDirtayNov 1, 20151 votes

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The only thing the unskilled player report was used for was matchmaking and the matchmaking algorithms have improved. There's no need for the unskilled player report anymore, just use one of the other report categories and explain the reason for your report in the box below.

LOL at this whole statement

so matchmaking got fixed overnight? every board ive seen you in you're hyping up something that doesnt work correctly saying it does....

report system works? explain this http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/hN0yZ962-report-system-doesnt-work?show=flat&page=5

matchmaking got fixed? explain this (wasnt long ago (maybe a week?)and was back to back http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/0210F5Ia-riot-2-easy-questions-i-hope-is-worth-you-time

dont hype up systems that dont work, be real about it

ModWuksOct 29, 20152 votes

Misread the post. Disregard this.

MadtepezOct 30, 20151 votes

Dear guys in blue,

I respect what you do and it's great you'r there , etc... but I'm not sure your contribution is addind any value** in this instance**

I said : i know it's not for ban purpose but i think it was great for matchmaking purpose you answer : don't be upset it wasn't for ban purpose but only for matchmaking purpose anyway

O_o, i mean it's typically the kind answer that makes me question if the other one is even listening to what i'm saying (and let's be honest it's the kind of thing that could make me loose my poise)

I think you have a place here to discuss judgement calls and improving the understanding of the community. Fighting tooth and nail to defend riot decisions might not be a very usefull purpose....

ModWuksOct 30, 20151 votes

Misread the post. Disregard this.

MadtepezOct 30, 20151 votes

Dude, I'll have to reread my post cause one of us has real big problem with comprehension and or expression

my point : The "unskilled player " tag was removed in 5.21 and I regret RIOT removed it

ModWuksOct 30, 20151 votes

My mistake. You're right. I approached the thread the wrong way and misinterpreted your post.

MadtepezOct 30, 20151 votes

appologies accepted and i regret my somewhat aggressive tone (i told you i sometimes loose my poise if my interlocutor doesn't listen :p)

ModWuksOct 30, 20151 votes

To address your main point, however, I assume there are new systems in place to detect whether a player is a metaphorical fish out of water, so to speak. Probably wouldn't have removed the feature otherwise. I can see it working in a sense where I've been clamped hard in the past and after fighting my way through it, I was able to get normal gains again; additionally, when I'm ranking on my lower ranked accounts, the gains are relatively high and the games still feel relatively balanced.

OldDirtayNov 1, 20151 votes

{quoted}

Dear guys in blue,

I respect what you do and it's great you'r there , etc... but I'm not sure your contribution is addind any value** in this instance**

I said : i know it's not for ban purpose but i think it was great for matchmaking purpose you answer : don't be upset it wasn't for ban purpose but only for matchmaking purpose anyway

O_o, i mean it's typically the kind answer that makes me question if the other one is even listening to what i'm saying (and let's be honest it's the kind of thing that could make me loose my poise)

I think you have a place here to discuss judgement calls and improving the understanding of the community. Fighting tooth and nail to defend riot decisions might not be a very usefull purpose....

lol, kind of on you tho.....your expecting reds to both listen and understand

soon youll realize they dont care and even if its broken they will say it works fine

shit dont belive me? look at the best section or my other comment...they dont care, if it dont involve money it doesnt involve them and if you have anything bad to say about it....dont expect them to keep it on boards and dont expect it to be fixed/on the front page regardless of upvotes

TrylobyteOct 30, 20152 votes

I would have left it in purely as a dummy option that does nothing, to allow those people who just have to report someone for sucking a way to feel like they're venting their anger, but in a way that doesn't really do anything.

MadtepezOct 30, 20151 votes

well even that might not be bad, it gives people a way to release there anger in a better way than by flaming

PuddytatOct 29, 20151 votes

I liked the "unskilled player" for cases where someone fed horribly but you couldn't say for sure that they did so on purpose. Last time I had a Nunu in ARAM, for example, who positioned like a tank, but built sort-of-AP and a Talisman of Ascension. He could've been fine if he'd played more from the back, or if he had built tanky, but now he was just an easy kill for the enemy team.

I agree that this shouldn't lead to punishment, except maybe in cases where players use it to signal possible account-boosting, but it was a way to tell someone "dude, maybe watch some youtubes". It was also a way to tell the system that, hey, maybe the others on the team report this player for feeding, but I don't think that was the case.

LadyLazuliOct 30, 20151 votes

I miss the Unskilled Player category. Why? Because let's say you're playing with someone who says that mid is a duo lane when clearly it's a solo lane. And they get all up in your face about it. New players will be new players, but that doesn't exactly mean that others shouldn't know how to correctly play the game. They have to know their lanes and which roles go where.

^ Basically why the Unskilled Player should have stayed but be reworked somehow

LGBTCuteOct 31, 20151 votes

Good Riddance:

Players who think wards are a waste of gold, don't farm, don't push lanes, never attack turrets, and spend the whole game chasing kills and throwing away any advantage the team gets should never be referring to anyone else as "unskilled".

Most players who enjoy reporting other players have no idea what real skill is. If they did, they wouldn't be blaming their teammates for their own mistakes in the first place.

I won't miss being a 0/3/32 support Janna and hearing my team say "Janna no kills noob report for unskilled!" because I'm frantically fighting superminions off of our nexus while the team is chasing the enemy Ahri through an unwarded part of the jungle.