Do's and don'ts

Madtepez·Oct 30, 2015·1 votes·1,107 views

Hey guys in blue !

So in another post i did mention what i think you shouldn't do (http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/sYGnAAr9-521-report-system-unskilled-player?comment=00020000)

But here is where i think you could have a great contribution, in giving us insight in what is deemed appropriate or not.

The player chart (or wathever it's called) basically says : don't be an ass. Ok i got that part but what about the "grey zone".

So for instance, yesterday i was matched with that dude everyone know : he is last pick and before any greetings he just utters the best catch phrase in champ select "mid or troll"

Well, by that time you already know it's going to be a long game :p. So we decide to leave him mid, he goes TF mid and proceed to feed (I told you you knew him too). He goes 1 v 3, he has no ward, he dive under turret to finish off someone, the whole package. And all he does is flame, he flames for no SS, he flames cause the jungler don't gank, he flames cause thresh misses his hooks, calls us noobs (in full MAJ ofc) etc... and he end up 4/19/10 in a relatively competitive tough lost game

And yeah somewhere along the way (at 4/12) I told him: "TF, could you stfu, you are 4/12". If we go strictly by the book, i understand it is somewhat rude and could have been handled better. But how polished a community do we wanna be ? What is your stance ? Is that kind of attitude OK, should it be discouraged, should it be punished ?

12 Comments

MimyOct 30, 20152 votes

Hey guys in blue ! So in another post i did mention what i think you shouldn't do

At first glance I thought this was gonna be a thread concocted by Dr Susses.

Deep Terror NamiOct 30, 20151 votes

That would still be discouraged. I think a good rule of thumb for this kind of situation might be; Treat everyone with respect as if they are showing you respect, whether they are or not.

You don't really know what they are going through at the time. They could be having a tough time at home/work and venting in the game when they normally don't. Returning the negativity will almost always make it worse.

When you think what you're about to send is negative, rewrite it so it's neutral or positive or just hit Escape. If they don't want to listen to reason, you can't reason with them. Just mute them, and report them at the end if you think it's necessary. If they do this often they will get their punishment in due time.

Oh, and the guys in blue are Arbiters.

MadtepezOct 30, 20152 votes

yeah but calling them guys in blue makes them cuter

http://www.hoteliermiddleeast.com/pictures/smurf.JPG

DaenOct 30, 20151 votes

And yeah somewhere along the way (at 4/12) I told him: "TF, could you stfu, you are 4/12". If we go strictly by the book, i understand it is somewhat rude and could have been handled better. But how polished a community do we wanna be ? What is your stance ? Is that kind of attitude OK, should it be discouraged, should it be punished ?

Overall, as Deep Terror Nami mentioned, this would still be discouraged. If you feel like you need to say something along these lines, even "TF, be quiet, we get it" would be better received.

Speaking personally, if what you mentioned here was the only negative thing you said all game I probably wouldn't report it after the game. Might say something along the lines of "relax", but I definitely get that it'd be super frustrating to hear this guy constantly flaming everyone. That being said, other people might not share my viewpoint there and it would probably still be considered a valid report.

ZielmannOct 30, 20151 votes

Generally, avoiding 'stfu' and calling out player records wouldn't be advised. I don't imagine doing this once would cause issues for your account, but if you repeatedly and consistently do it, you may well find yourself in trouble.

I would argue that the proper way to handle this situation would just be to mute the TF. If you truly feel compelled to say something, I'd go more along the lines of "TF, please calm down", or "TF, can you please just be quiet so we can focus on the game?". But, as you said, we all know this player and know that such requests will just get ignored anyhow. Hence my suggestion to just mute the guy.

MadtepezOct 30, 20151 votes

well I'm not really worried about my account

i don't consider myself a toxic player (well most toxic probably don't either so maybe not relevant) i haven't ever been banned or suspended or chat restricted in about 1500 games i have been warned by a popup in end game lobby that I had had a negative attitude something like 6 or 7 times, mostly after games where i was teamed up with premade who somehow blamed me for all the wrong in the world but never received any other formal notification that my case was under review or anything

So it's not really about fear of being banned, it's more to discuss what toxicity is ?

What are we trying to achieve ? a very polished and polite community that gives the proverbial "other cheek" or do we acknowledge that some trash talk, to the extent that it is not abusive, is a token of the passion we have for the game

KantalaOct 30, 20151 votes

That popup warning only happens when you get a spike in reports against your account. Also, you don't get any sort of formal notification of any kind if your account is being reviewed by Riot until you are deemed worthy of punishment, IIRC.

MadtepezOct 30, 20151 votes

ok thx for letting me know, like i said never happened to me so i wouldn't know :p but it explains why the popup only happens after game with premade where they all probably reported me (hence the spike)

and i'm not saying i'm a saint, i most probably am reported from time to time (deserdevly so) but I still suppose that spikes would happen more frequently if I was any sort of really toxic player

darkchan5Oct 30, 20151 votes

so to me, it feels like the "end game fantasy" ;) for the community would be the whole turn the other cheek thing and i think that that is the correct direction for the community to go/be pushed in, but honestly i don't think it's a very realistic thing. and that is where the real problem lies. but all in all i think society as a whole should shoot for the ideal not just be ok with the mediocre regardless of how unrealistic that ideal may be. and it seems like that is how riot stands on the subject (though i cant be certain)

TBakesOct 30, 20151 votes

Be the bigger person in all situations. When a child is throwing a fit and yelling and screaming is it appropriate to yell and scream back? No. Treat all of the flamers, AFKers, trolls, etc. like the children they are and either mute them, don't respond, or respond in a neutral way.

My favorite response when someone is flaming me is "^^". For example:

Flamer: "this team. i swear i always get matched with terrible players." Me: "^^" Flamer: "no help! god you guys are noobs!" Flamer: ALL: "report leblanc unskilled" Me: "^^" Flamer: "wtf is ^^ stop doing that"

This is about as immature as I get. I basically just try to get the other player to re-read what he/she said. Generally, though, I love that mute button. Even if my teammates are typing "EZ" in all chat I will mute them. Honestly, I want chat to be used for forwarding our team's chance of winning and if teammates and/or enemies are not using it for that reason, then I mute all and just use pings.

MadtepezOct 30, 20151 votes

well i would have 2 remark to what you said

concerning the "^^" To me it feels somewhat sarcastic / passive-aggressive, like you want to show the guy you are better than him. Proof being that you like the fact it annoys him that you do it. Is that really being the bigger man ? I mean why not be real and tell him to stfu. I mean, i don't recommend getting personal but i fail to see the difference between stfu and "^^". If anything stfu, then ignoring the guy is even less fuel to the fire than ^^
i don't like muting people, very rarely is someone really getting under my skin, so i don't mind too much and we never know at some point he might say something interesting like saying MIA rather than pinging

TBakesOct 30, 20151 votes

Madtepez,

You are correct. The "^^" is meant to be sarcastic as in "I second what you are saying", almost like I am repeating what he/she is saying. For example, if they are flaming me and saying "this blitz can't land a grab", my response of "^^" represents me saying "you're right, I can't land a grab", but it is meant to be sarcastic. Like I said, it is the most immature thing I do, and I recognize that I shouldn't do it. It is completely contradictory to my philosophy as well. It is my point of improvement!

I resort to muting because I would rather miss that singular helpful message and not have to sift through the rest of the spam, especially if I am top/mid/jg. If I am bot lane I usually try to communicate with my partner. I tell them "good job" and try to be constructive to really synchronize our play as best as possible.

I appreciate the feedback!