my ban is not fair. riot please respond (chatlogs)

iVIEWBOT·Oct 26, 2017·2 votes·1,561 views

after really looking at my chatlogs more and more. i cant help but come to the conclusion that in no sane world is my ban justified.

the only "justification" for my ban is "LOL ITS RIOTS GAME SCRUB. THEY CAN BAN FOR ANYTHING THEY WANT. YOU DONT OWN YOUR ACCOUNT. GET REKT. RIP. LATA PLEB"

legit thats the only "justification" i can think of for my ban

but in all terms of fairness, sportsmanship, competitive spirit, and human kindness. my ban is simply unfair and i feel it goes against decent standards of morality

to everyone who says i deserve my ban. please read this and say where you disagree with my logic. and i really really want to have a conversation with you to see if i can convince you that im not a bad teammate, im not toxic, i try my best to win, im the type of person thats good for this game, and i do not deserve a permaban.

my new logic/view on my ban is this---

the more i read my logs. the more violated i feel that riot lets this ban stand

my chatlogs were NOT toxic

my typing WAS NOT making my play become worse

i was NOT harassing. all of my words, literally EVERY THING i wrote was a RESPONSE to constant direct questions/statements that my teammates made towards me

yes. EVERY TIME I WROTE it was because my teammates were DIRECTLY TYPING TO ME and i believe in team communication so i was RESPONDING TO MY TEAMMATES. i was communicating with my teammates

basically. i have been banned for COMMUNICATING with my teammates and RESPONDING non-toxicly to them

yes. all of my typing was RESPONDING to my teammates who spoke to me first. and i wasnt toxic and saying direct insults like "kys. you suck. your shit. your garbage. go fuck yourself" or anything like that. i was legit just ANSWERING their questions with the truth as i saw it. and i was banned for that

absolutely, no way around it, my ban is not morally justified in a moral world. i will try to speak to riot soon just to hopefully let them realize their ban system is NOT OK. this is purely wrong

i have emailed riot support and no response. so ill use this thread to try to get any response from riot

my ban is unfair. this feels so wrong

riot. please. respond

MY CHATLOGS ARE FOUND HERE (i dont want the opening post to be too big) https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/E5EFgwTN-permabanned-unfiar-bumping-daily-until-riot-provides-a-reason-why-i-deserve-a-permban?show=flat&page=6

52 Comments

VerxintOct 26, 20176 votes

Consider this: You have 92 chat messages in that game. Games are 30 minutes on average. Even if this is a longer than average game at 40 minutes, you sent 2.3 messages a minute. You are sending a message an average of one every 25 seconds.

If I were a bystander in that game, I wouldn't want you to defend yourself, nor would I want the person attack you to prove they are right. I would want you both to shut the fuck up.

zMnJohnOct 26, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Very Scary Dario,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=sQKyN9xE,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2017-10-26T18:25:29.315+0000)

Consider this: You have 92 chat messages in that game. Games are 30 minutes on average. Even if this is a longer than average game at 40 minutes, you sent 2.3 messages a minute. You are sending a message an average of one every 25 seconds.

If I were a bystander in that game, I wouldn't want you to defend yourself, nor would I want the person attack you to prove they are right. I would want you both to shut the fuck up.

I have no problem with someone nonstop talking as long as it is not verbal abuse and as long as it doesn't impact their gameplay.

If riot doesn't want the chat to be used that much they should put restrictions on it.

ChermorgOct 26, 20174 votes

Hey there.

I understand that you’re frustrated over your punishment. A couple things to keep in mind are that you were provided many valid, thorough explanations of why you were issued the punishment you were in your previous thread. I recommend reading all of their explanations as to why retaliation is not okay and why you were in the wrong as much as other people were.

Further, you may not want to accept it but it is Riot’s game, and they don’t have to abide by your code of “morals”. That being said, it is perfectly moral to punish one person for harassing other players repeatedly even after being warned. I know you may disagree with their analysis, but Riot has been doing this for years and the origins of what they consider inappropriate is the community itself. When you are punished by Riot, you’re being punished based on what a majority of your “peers” consider to be acceptable or unacceptable behavior. It is the morals of the majority that guide the punishments Riot issues - not the morals you yourself hold.

I do not believe you are going to get any better response here than you did in your old thread. Asking the same question over and over again will not get you a different answer. The majority of the community appears to consider your ban to be fair, justifiable, and correct. I am afraid that there’s a very good chance Riot will tell you the same.

iVIEWBOTOct 26, 20171 votes

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Hey there.

I understand that you’re frustrated over your punishment. A couple things to keep in mind are that you were provided many valid, thorough explanations of why you were issued the punishment you were in your previous thread. I recommend reading all of their explanations as to why retaliation is not okay and why you were in the wrong as much as other people were.

Further, you may not want to accept it but it is Riot’s game, and they don’t have to abide by your code of “morals”. That being said, it is perfectly moral to punish one person for harassing other players repeatedly even after being warned. I know you may disagree with their analysis, but Riot has been doing this for years and the origins of what they consider inappropriate is the community itself. When you are punished by Riot, you’re being punished based on what a majority of your “peers” consider to be acceptable or unacceptable behavior. It is the morals of the majority that guide the punishments Riot issues - not the morals you yourself hold.

I do not believe you are going to get any better response here than you did in your old thread. Asking the same question over and over again will not get you a different answer. The majority of the community appears to consider your ban to be fair, justifiable, and correct. I am afraid that there’s a very good chance Riot will tell you the same.

this isnt the "same question"

i never really brought this logic i am using now in my last thread

i looked at my logs a few more times and then i started to truly realize why i believe my ban is unfair

i believe its unfair because all i was doing was "responding" to my teammates

i didnt truly point that out as the biggest reason i feel my ban is unfair in the last thread. so i made this thread to point that out as the main reason i want people to speak to

i want people to tell my how/why "responding to teammates" should be bannable. how is that morally justified?

i just cant see how its moral justified

i understand riot has a "right" to ban anyone they want for any reason they want

im just saying. i dont feel my ban is in any way an example of moral justice. and im asking people to bring forth any reasons they have is they feel my ban IS morally justified, and isnt simply a "haha, riot fked you. get rekt son" type of ban where its not morally justified but riot has a "right to do it anyway"

ChermorgOct 26, 20172 votes

You may not have brought up the exact wording that you used here, but you were explained in the comments why this type of logic is invalid. As I said, I recommend you take an hour or two and really read the comments and discussion that took place on your other thread.

Again, your moral justification does not matter. Riot has no obligation to follow any particular code of morals, they simply choose to abide by what the community wants. As I pointed out, the majority of the community considers your punishment to be morally justified. You were ruining games for other people with your constant negativity. As such, you were banned as a sign that you were no longer being welcomed in the community.

iVIEWBOTOct 26, 20171 votes

hmm

ChermorgOct 26, 20172 votes

Ruining a game isn’t a moral argument. Your teammates (and the enemy) used the report feature of the game to voice their displeasure with your actions. Other people said that you ruined their game. If your teammates were asking you questions and you responded with negativity, that is not acceptable. It can be facts all you want them to be, but the fact of the matter is the community judged your communication to be overly negative.

iVIEWBOTOct 26, 20171 votes

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Ruining a game isn’t a moral argument. Your teammates (and the enemy) used the report feature of the game to voice their displeasure with your actions. Other people said that you ruined their game. If your teammates were asking you questions and you responded with negativity, that is not acceptable. It can be facts all you want them to be, but the fact of the matter is the community judged your communication to be overly negative.

i did not respond with negativity

i responded with the truth. nowhere in my spirit was there a negative feeling when i was typing. i was telling the pure truth as i saw it, no negative emotions within me. i did not see my chat as being negative in any way

my teammates were asking me questions, and i was responding with truthful answers

i feel i have been banned for "responding with the truth". i believe in team communication so in the game i truly believed that "i should be a good person and respond with the truth" when i was asked questions

ive been banned basically for normal talking. normal human interaction. i was asked a question. and i responded with the truth.

but you think my chat is negative. so explain. what things did i say you feel were negative

i see nothing of that in my logs

the only "negative" thing i see is my funny "self insulting comedy" at the end where the team was about to lose, nexus about to die, so at that point i figured why not joke about myself at the end of the game

besides that. i see no "negative chat"

explain. what is negative? your using the term negative chat. can you point out one example?

ChermorgOct 26, 20175 votes

I’m sorry but it appears you aren’t reading my comments. I specifically said that it does not matter if it is the truth or not. It may be the truth that someone’s short. But if I constantly harass them by saying “lol ur short u shorty why don’t u grow some wow lmao” then it’s still negative.

The majority of your chat is talking down to people. You are not their coach, you are not their team leader, you aren’t their boss. You’re free to offer advice, but you need to do so in a polite way and not harassing your team. Further, you spend over half the chat “defending yourself from false accusations”. This is not only unnecessary, but it brings down the team morale. Nobody wants to have to sit there watching you “defending yourself” when the game is going on. The game chat is not for you to argue with others, it is for important game chat, and your arguing/defense/whatever you want to call it is detracting from the ability of your teammates to utilize it for its purpose.

iVIEWBOTOct 26, 20171 votes

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I’m sorry but it appears you aren’t reading my comments. I specifically said that it does not matter if it is the truth or not. It may be the truth that someone’s short. But if I constantly harass them by saying “lol ur short u shorty why don’t u grow some wow lmao” then it’s still negative.

The majority of your chat is talking down to people. You are not their coach, you are not their team leader, you aren’t their boss. You’re free to offer advice, but you need to do so in a polite way and not harassing your team. Further, you spend over half the chat “defending yourself from false accusations”. This is not only unnecessary, but it brings down the team morale. Nobody wants to have to sit there watching you “defending yourself” when the game is going on. The game chat is not for you to argue with others, it is for important game chat, and your arguing/defense/whatever you want to call it is detracting from the ability of your teammates to utilize it for its purpose.

but if they were directly typing to me, then my response to them isnt harassment ? right?

all of my typing was because they spoke to me first, and they spoke to me in a way that clearly implied they wanted me to respond

if they want me to respond to their question / communication towards me. and i give them what they are asking me to do. i give them a response

then is it still harassment, even if everything i said is a RESPONSE to them typing to me first?

yes. my teammates kept typing to me. so i continued to respond to them

also. im not "talking down to them".... ? im just saying the darn truth. gnar asked questions. and i answered them. he stayed in lane and died. thats what happened. so i pointed it out. ...... is speaking the truth so wrong and bad? i was spoked to, so i responded with the truth to my teammates communication towards me..... and thats bannable?

ChermorgOct 26, 20173 votes

There are two reasons that your response is not automatically acceptable. First, they may have been asking it as a rhetorical question or statement. Not everything needs a response. Second, your other teammates don’t want to see you harassing them, and they themselves may not have wanted to see you talking down to them.

They may very well have been harassing you by repeatedly talking to you. But that does not give you the right to harass them back.

As I’ve said multiple times before, it does not matter if it was the “truth” or not. You expressed the truth in a negative manner.

iVIEWBOTOct 26, 20171 votes

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There are two reasons that your response is not automatically acceptable. First, they may have been asking it as a rhetorical question or statement. Not everything needs a response. Second, your other teammates don’t want to see you harassing them, and they themselves may not have wanted to see you talking down to them.

They may very well have been harassing you by repeatedly talking to you. But that does not give you the right to harass them back.

As I’ve said multiple times before, it does not matter if it was the “truth” or not. You expressed the truth in a negative manner.

i guess theres nothing i can gain from this thread

theres no way i can defeat your logic. you just say "talking down" to them when i feel i wasnt "talking down" to them. i was just communicating with the pure truth how my mind saw it. i believe saying the truth in a COMPETITIVE STRATEGY GAME is good and helps the game and helps the team. but whatever. you see it and say i was "talking down" to them

anyway. i have learned the following from this thread, my ban, and everyones thoughts on it

i have learned that i simply cannot talk. unless it is PURE SHOTCALLING

my words were not pure shotcalling. my words were pointing out others mistakes

and apparently. pointing out others mistakes is "toxic, harassing, talking down"

in the future. i will only type if it is PURE SHOTCALLING. and im sure i wont get banned for that

i assumed "typing truth" and pointing out others mistakes (when spoken to, and when used as a response) was not bannable chat

however. i have learned from this experience, that riot now sees it as bannable chat

so i guess now my new argument is

over 4 years of league, i have never once been informed by riot that "typing truth" and pointing out others mistakes (when spoken to, and when used as a response) is "bannable chat"

i have used this type of chat for FOUR YEARS STRAIGHT in 30,000 ranked games. and not been banned. so i assumed this was not bannable chat

and now i have learned that riot now sees it as bannable

so over 4 years. i am shocked. i lost an account with every champion

if riot unbanned me. i simply wouldnt type anymore unless it is pure shotcalling. and i would not be banned again

i am reformed. it is very easy for me to simply not type. i just really believed my chat was not seen as "bannable" in riots eyes because i did it for 4 years with no ban

HalcyonDwellerOct 26, 20171 votes

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I’m sorry but it appears you aren’t reading my comments. I specifically said that it does not matter if it is the truth or not. It may be the truth that someone’s short. But if I constantly harass them by saying “lol ur short u shorty why don’t u grow some wow lmao” then it’s still negative.

The majority of your chat is talking down to people. You are not their coach, you are not their team leader, you aren’t their boss. You’re free to offer advice, but you need to do so in a polite way and not harassing your team. Further, you spend over half the chat “defending yourself from false accusations”. This is not only unnecessary, but it brings down the team morale. Nobody wants to have to sit there watching you “defending yourself” when the game is going on. The game chat is not for you to argue with others, it is for important game chat, and your arguing/defense/whatever you want to call it is detracting from the ability of your teammates to utilize it for its purpose.

This ^^

iVIEWBOTOct 26, 20171 votes

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Ruining a game isn’t a moral argument. Your teammates (and the enemy) used the report feature of the game to voice their displeasure with your actions. Other people said that you ruined their game. If your teammates were asking you questions and you responded with negativity, that is not acceptable. It can be facts all you want them to be, but the fact of the matter is the community judged your communication to be overly negative.

you should duo with me for a few games. i bet if you duoed with me for a few games you would agree i am an AMAZING teammate. i always am trying my best to win. dude can you point out something i said that is actually negative in my chat?

like for real. your making me out to be this monster

but like... can you point out some examples of chat that was negative?

i play this game for incredible amounts of time

ive played probably 30,000 ranked games in 4 years

i play nonstop because i love the game. and i see myself as a good teammate. i always try my best to win

i seriously am not mean to people. i just answer questions with the truth

how the hell do i deserve a ban?

zMnJohnOct 26, 20171 votes

So it is majority rules then? Riot simply permanbans you if you get reported a lot?(I don't mean in a single game)

Do you have a link to where riot states this is their policy? Because if it is why not state this clearly so people know. All I have been able to find is verbal abuse, Hate Speech, Negative attitude, Inappropriate Name, Cheating.

I would also like your input in my thread I am in a similar situation. So far no one has been able to explain me what I did wrong.

But if like you said the new rule is that riot simply bans people that have a lot of reports. I will accept that policy and remember for the future. But why don't they clearly state this so people like me and the op don't get screwed over.

I haven't found anything in this guys chat logs that violate any riots rules that I could find

iVIEWBOTOct 26, 20171 votes

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So it is majority rules then? Riot simply permanbans you if you get reported a lot?(I don't mean in a single game)

Do you have a link to where riot states this is their policy? Because if it is why not state this clearly so people know. All I have been able to find is verbal abuse, Hate Speech, Negative attitude, Inappropriate Name, Cheating.

I would also like your input in my thread I am in a similar situation. So far no one has been able to explain me what I did wrong.

But if like you said the new rule is that riot simply bans people that have a lot of reports. I will accept that policy and remember for the future. But why don't they clearly state this so people like me and the op don't get screwed over.

I haven't found anything in this guys chat logs that violate any riots rules that I could find

the case is apparently that if you respond at all to direct chat / questions towards you (made by your teammates), it is bannable / harassment

you are only allowed to type if it is pure shotcalling

the only thing i can see wrong with my chat, is people say it is "negative" and "harassment" when all i see is myself responding to my teammates questions towards me. and i am responding in a manner that just states the plain truth, with no personal insults

so i guess most people (and apparently riot) view all forms of chat, other than shotcalling, as negative/harassment/banworthy . period

if you type ANYTHING in chat that is not pure shotcalling. it qualifies as banworthy chat (i guess)

so thats why i "deserve" my ban. as explained by everyone who has told me my ban is "justified"

now i know i cannot type ANYTHING unless it is pure shotcalling

any chat other than pure shotcalling, is bannable chat (apparently)

you likely typed chat that isnt pure shotcalling. thats why you were banned

zMnJohnOct 26, 20171 votes

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the case is apparently that if you respond at all to direct chat / questions towards you (made by your teammates), it is bannable / harassment

you are only allowed to type if it is pure shotcalling

the only thing i can see wrong with my chat, is people say it is "negative" and "harassment" when all i see is myself responding to my teammates questions towards me. and i am responding in a manner that just states the plain truth, with no personal insults

so i guess most people (and apparently riot) view all forms of chat, other than shotcalling, as negative/harassment/banworthy . period

if you type ANYTHING in chat that is not pure shotcalling. it qualifies as banworthy chat (i guess)

so thats why i "deserve" my ban. as explained by everyone who has told me my ban is "justified"

now i know i cannot type ANYTHING unless it is pure shotcalling

any chat other than pure shotcalling, is bannable chat (apparently)

you likely typed chat that isnt pure shotcalling. thats why you were banned

Well it's their game they can ban for whatever they want. But I wish they would make things clear for everyone. I would have just not used the chat feature at all. It's funny it's called a chat when they don't want it to be used as such

CHAT 1. an informal conversation. "he dropped in for a chat" synonyms: talk, conversation, chitchat, gossip, chatter, heart-to-heart, tête-à-tête; More

zMnJohnOct 26, 20171 votes

I've read his log and if accurate and complete I see no evidence of toxicity

" When you are punished by Riot, you’re being punished based on what a majority of your “peers” consider to be acceptable"

That statement would be fine if we still had the tribunal. But reports are just that, reports they need to be verified. It seems based of your statement that riot is just banning people that get reported a lot. (If that is true riot needs to put that clearly in writing somewhere so people know)

People that are actually involved in a situation should not be able to judge someone that is also in the situation there is always some kind of bias. Judges recuse themselves from cases jurors can be removed from consideration because of bias

iVIEWBOTOct 27, 20171 votes

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I've read his log and if accurate and complete I see no evidence of toxicity

" When you are punished by Riot, you’re being punished based on what a majority of your “peers” consider to be acceptable"

That statement would be fine if we still had the tribunal. But reports are just that, reports they need to be verified. It seems based of your statement that riot is just banning people that get reported a lot. (If that is true riot needs to put that clearly in writing somewhere so people know)

People that are actually involved in a situation should not be able to judge someone that is also in the situation there is always some kind of bias. Judges recuse themselves from cases jurors can be removed from consideration because of bias

hey guys. check it out. heres someone who says they dont see any "toxic, ban worthy" things in my chatlogs

i guess im not feeling so crazy anymore now

cuz like. i swear. when i read my chatlogs i cant help but feel "dude... wtf did i say thats toxic? wtf did i say thats banworthy? wtf?"

some of you guy guys wanting someone to lose a full account for what is essentially non-harmful chat.... i dont mean to insult you but man it feels like a very mean view to have to think someone should lose an account he poured his life and spirit into just because he types alot.

Coopa123Oct 26, 20173 votes

It has been 4 days dude. Pretty much every single person in the last thread agreed with the ban and explained to you in detail why the ban is justified. And 4 days later you're still trying to justify your obviously wrong behaviour.

The ban is justified and fair. The account is gone and you won't be getting it back. Deal with it

Praying4GoodTeamOct 27, 20171 votes

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It has been 4 days dude. Pretty much every single person in the last thread agreed with the ban and explained to you in detail why the ban is justified. And 4 days later you're still trying to justify your obviously wrong behaviour.

The ban is justified and fair. The account is gone and you won't be getting it back. Deal with it

hope this happens to you too

MindspeakerOct 27, 20172 votes

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It has been 4 days dude. Pretty much every single person in the last thread agreed with the ban and explained to you in detail why the ban is justified. And 4 days later you're still trying to justify your obviously wrong behaviour.

The ban is justified and fair. The account is gone and you won't be getting it back. Deal with it

100% this ^^^

People that are as delusional as the op who refuse to accept facts and even start a second thread will most likely never see the logic of your statement

OP: Remember no one has to listen to you "shot calling" and depending how you do it may still get you reported / punished.

Also its perfect allowed for people to just mute chat and pings all so don't be surprised if no listens to you even if what you say is said in an "acceptable" way.

TiltoverEnforcerOct 26, 20173 votes

Rioters (generally) don't comment on this section of the boards, that's usually left to the moderators, who have an in-depth understanding of Riot's punishment system and stuff like that. If you wish to have a direct response from Riot, open up a support ticket at https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us.

HalcyonDwellerOct 26, 20172 votes

Also important to note, emailing riot support does not accomplish anything. They only open new support tickets when they are submitted through the website.

So TiltoverEnforcer is right, you should submit a support ticket, rather than try to email support directly when trying to open a discussion with them.

iVIEWBOTOct 26, 20171 votes

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Also important to note, emailing riot support does not accomplish anything. They only open new support tickets when they are submitted through the website.

So TiltoverEnforcer is right, you should submit a support ticket, rather than try to email support directly when trying to open a discussion with them.

by email i meant i opened a ticket

EbololOct 26, 20173 votes

With all due respect dude why are you pretty much posting the exact same thing expecting to get upvotes after your other post got downvoted into oblivion? I suggest you just mute everyone and focus on the game; hard to imagine being able to play properly if you are writing a 5 paragraph essay to your teammates every minute.

iVIEWBOTOct 26, 20171 votes

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With all due respect dude why are you pretty much posting the exact same thing expecting to get upvotes after your other post got downvoted into oblivion? I suggest you just mute everyone and focus on the game; hard to imagine being able to play properly if you are writing a 5 paragraph essay to your teammates every minute.

this isnt the same thing

i looked at my logs a few more times and then i started to truly realize why i believe my ban is unfair

i believe its unfair because all i was doing was "responding" to my teammates

i didnt truly point that out as the biggest reason i feel my ban is unfair in the last thread. so i made this thread to point that out as the main reason i want people to speak to

i want people to tell my how/why "responding to teammates" should be bannable. how is that morally justified?

i just cant see how its moral justified

i understand riot has a "right" to ban anyone they want for any reason they want

VerxintOct 26, 20172 votes

i want people to tell my how/why "responding to teammates" should be bannable. how is that morally justified?

Because it does nothing to help and only degrades the atmosphere of the game even worse. it serves no purpose except to defend your bruised ego. Protip: the rest of us on your team don't give two shits about your ego.

iVIEWBOTOct 26, 20171 votes

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Because it does nothing to help and only degrades the atmosphere of the game even worse. it serves no purpose except to defend your bruised ego. Protip: the rest of us on your team don't give two shits about your ego.

so basically i was baited into being banned. goodjob to the people who did it i guess

they type to me. i respond with pure truth (nothing toxic. no personal insults) and i get banned

amazing awesome. i feel treated very fairly

VerxintOct 26, 20172 votes

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so basically i was baited into being banned. goodjob to the people who did it i guess

they type to me. i respond with pure truth (nothing toxic. no personal insults) and i get banned

amazing awesome. i feel treated very fairly

No, you baited yourself into being banned. Nobody is forcing you to reply. There is no reason to defend yourself against strangers on the internet. Nobody cares. You will likely never see these people again. The only thing you're defending is your ego, which was too fragile to just ignore something you should know better than to engage. This is entirely your own fault and you simply lack the maturity to understand how.

Jo0oOct 26, 20173 votes

this thread is now over. i will no longer ask riot for reasons. i will no longer ask riot for justice.

That was what you said at the end of your previous thread (amongst some weird manifesto shit about running for President).

You spammed with negativity and got busted for it. Sorry.

iVIEWBOTOct 26, 20171 votes

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That was what you said at the end of your previous thread (amongst some weird manifesto shit about running for President).

You spammed with negativity and got busted for it. Sorry.

i am speaking again because its driving me crazy when i relooked at my logs and i read them several times and i truly didnt see anything that seemed "bad" to me. and it started eating at me inside that ive been so wrongly banned

so thats why im speaking again

i just want someone out there to CALM MY SPIRIT by showing me real reasons to why my chat was negative

you are saying my chat is negative. can you provide an example please

Jo0oOct 26, 20174 votes

There are multiple pages of people already explaining that to you. I can't do anything to FORCE to you accept those explanations, so I'm not sure what more there is to do.

AgeOfTheMageOct 26, 20172 votes

lets see here: Kaokentake: gnar i helped you Kaokentake: and you inted Kaokentake: those are facts Kaokentake: for what reason you're saying someone inted, if it is true then shame on them, if they weren't inting, just lagging/not doing well then shame on you.

not to mention, a perma ban is received after multiple offenses and punishments.

iVIEWBOTOct 26, 20171 votes

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lets see here: Kaokentake: gnar i helped you Kaokentake: and you inted Kaokentake: those are facts Kaokentake: for what reason you're saying someone inted, if it is true then shame on them, if they weren't inting, just lagging/not doing well then shame on you.

not to mention, a perma ban is received after multiple offenses and punishments.

gnar was asking me why i was in his lane i responded with the truth i was in his lane to help him then he LEGIT ran into them (with him at 20% health) to die for free (inting) so i said he inted those are and were facts. he just ran into them for no reason it strongly seemed like he was inting

i believe in team communication. so because gnar ASKED ME i responded to him with "the truth as i saw it"

should that really be bannable?

AgeOfTheMageOct 26, 20171 votes

I'm not too good of a judge for these kind of things, but it takes more than one chat log to get perma banned.If you encounter an inter in your game, don't say anything, instead report them at the end of the game, try to stay positive!

HalcyonDwellerOct 26, 20173 votes

Not to mention, if a teammate is trolling then they are trying to get under your skin. By reacting then you just give them what they want and let them know that if they keep doing it they will get a reaction again. So of course they will keep doing it. You're better off muting and reporting them after the game, since responding will only make things worse.

http://www.techeconomy.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/wpid-do_not_feed_the_troll.jpg

Additionally, the OP did a lot of elaborating and repeating their points when they didn't need to.

Kaokentake: i was helping you how i want my jungler to come

Was all that was necessary. The rest of this was just berating the gnar for their mistakes:

Kaokentake: you lose lane because you didnt recall Kaokentake: gnar the fact is Kaokentake: you stayed in lane Kaokentake: at 20% health Kaokentake: thats not my fault Kaokentake: you died Kaokentake: clearly not ok Kaokentake: gnar Kaokentake: 5 cs Kaokentake: isnt as bad Kaokentake: as dying Kaokentake: to malphite Kaokentake: do you realize 1 death = 15 cs Kaokentake: gnar i helped you Kaokentake: and you inted

There is no reason to defend oneself beyond giving a fair reason as to why one did what they did.

Kaokentake: all farm? wrong. i shoved lanes when i judged it was smart to pressure

That was all they had to say. If the team persists with blaming after that then it's obvious that they aren't worth trying to reason with. So you mute them. The OP knew they weren't trolling, and they explained how. So long as they do not actually troll, the system will recognize this and will throw out their report and not ban them.

But instead they spammed and wasted time arguing when it was already clear that arguing would not accomplish anything.

AgeOfTheMageOct 26, 20171 votes

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Not to mention, if a teammate is trolling then they are trying to get under your skin. By reacting then you just give them what they want and let them know that if they keep doing it they will get a reaction again. So of course they will keep doing it. You're better off muting and reporting them after the game, since responding will only make things worse.

http://www.techeconomy.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/wpid-do_not_feed_the_troll.jpg

Additionally, the OP did a lot of elaborating and repeating their points when they didn't need to.

Was all that was necessary. The rest of this was just berating the gnar for their mistakes:

There is no reason to defend oneself beyond giving a fair reason as to why one did what they did.

That was all they had to say. If the team persists with blaming after that then it's obvious that they aren't worth trying to reason with. So you mute them. The OP knew they weren't trolling, and they explained how. So long as they do not actually troll, the system will recognize this and will throw out their report and not ban them.

But instead they spammed and wasted time arguing when it was already clear that arguing would not accomplish anything.

this ^^

DrCyanideOct 26, 20172 votes

What was the response to your support ticket? You did make one, I presume.

iVIEWBOTOct 26, 20171 votes

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What was the response to your support ticket? You did make one, I presume.

no response. so posting here for riot response.

XidphelOct 26, 20172 votes

Did you bump your ticket? Doing so is a bad idea. It'll get pushed to the back of the line. Be patient. They'll respond to it.

RektPwndGG LULZOct 26, 20172 votes

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after really looking at my chatlogs more and more. i cant help but come to the conclusion that in no sane world is my ban justified.

the only "justification" for my ban is "LOL ITS RIOTS GAME SCRUB. THEY CAN BAN FOR ANYTHING THEY WANT. YOU DONT OWN YOUR ACCOUNT. GET REKT. RIP. LATA PLEB"

legit thats the only "justification" i can think of for my ban

but in all terms of fairness, sportsmanship, competitive spirit, and human kindness. my ban is simply unfair and i feel it goes against decent standards of morality

to everyone who says i deserve my ban. please read this and say where you disagree with my logic. and i really really want to have a conversation with you to see if i can convince you that im not a bad teammate, im not toxic, i try my best to win, im the type of person thats good for this game, and i do not deserve a permaban.

my new logic/view on my ban is this---

the more i read my logs. the more violated i feel that riot lets this ban stand

my chatlogs were NOT toxic

my typing WAS NOT making my play become worse

i was NOT harassing. all of my words, literally EVERY THING i wrote was a RESPONSE to constant direct questions/statements that my teammates made towards me

yes. EVERY TIME I WROTE it was because my teammates were DIRECTLY TYPING TO ME and i believe in team communication so i was RESPONDING TO MY TEAMMATES. i was communicating with my teammates

basically. i have been banned for COMMUNICATING with my teammates and RESPONDING non-toxicly to them

yes. all of my typing was RESPONDING to my teammates who spoke to me first. and i wasnt toxic and saying direct insults like "kys. you suck. your shit. your garbage. go fuck yourself" or anything like that. i was legit just ANSWERING their questions with the truth as i saw it. and i was banned for that

absolutely, no way around it, my ban is not morally justified in a moral world. i will try to speak to riot soon just to hopefully let them realize their ban system is NOT OK. this is purely wrong

i have emailed riot support and no response. so ill use this thread to try to get any response from riot

my ban is unfair. this feels so wrong

riot. please. respond

MY CHATLOGS ARE FOUND HERE (i dont want the opening post to be too big) https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/E5EFgwTN-permabanned-unfiar-bumping-daily-until-riot-provides-a-reason-why-i-deserve-a-permban?show=flat&amp;page=6

I'm not bothering to read anyone elses replies, but this is 100% the only answer:

You triggered the IFS for going over the 2,000 character per game limit. Some of what you said was borderline, but the ONLY factor in your punishment was the amount of typed content.

GG, account isn't coming back no matter what you say or do. [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

XidphelOct 27, 20172 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbDNgf9Ao0M

nerak23Oct 26, 20172 votes

But if like you said the new rule is that riot simply bans people that have a lot of reports. I will accept that policy and remember for the future. But why don't they clearly state this so people like me and the op don't get screwed over.

This is not the case.

VoIdymortOct 27, 20172 votes

cough 27 banned accounts (and counting) cough

he stated this on stream

iVIEWBOTOct 26, 20171 votes

now my new argument is

over 4 years of league, i have never once been informed by riot that "typing truth" and pointing out others mistakes (when spoken to, and when used as a response) is "bannable chat"

i have used this type of chat for FOUR YEARS STRAIGHT in 30,000 ranked games. and not been banned. so i assumed this was not bannable chat

and now i have learned that riot now sees it as bannable

so over 4 years. i am shocked. i lost an account with every champion

if riot unbanned me. i simply wouldnt type anymore unless it is pure shotcalling. and i would not be banned again

i am reformed. it is very easy for me to simply not type. i just really believed my chat was not seen as "bannable" in riots eyes because i did it for 4 years with no ban

so i am now 100% reformed. i now know that riot now sees "responding" as bannable chat. so i wont do it anymore

i truly feel i am 100% reformed. there is no reason for my account to stay banned

this was simply a communication issue. over 4 YEARS and 30,000 ranked games i have "responded to teammates" and not been banned

so over 4 years. i thought such chat as fine and allowed

now i learn its bannable. and instantly i lose my account forever

it feels very unfair

i am reformed. now that i KNOW "responding" is bannable chat. i wont do it anymore

the only reason i did it in the first place was because i ASSUMED that its fine / allowed chat.

if i KNEW it was bannable. I NEVER WOULD HAVE typed it

so its a communication issue

i didnt know it was bannable. riot never communicated to us that "responding is bannable". so i didnt know

now that i know its bannable. i can just not do it anymore

iVIEWBOTOct 26, 20171 votes

now my new argument is

over 4 years of league, i have never once been informed by riot that "typing truth" and pointing out others mistakes (when spoken to, and when used as a response) is "bannable chat"

i have used this type of chat for FOUR YEARS STRAIGHT in 30,000 ranked games. and not been banned. so i assumed this was not bannable chat

and now i have learned that riot now sees it as bannable

so over 4 years. i am shocked. i lost an account with every champion

if riot unbanned me. i simply wouldnt type anymore unless it is pure shotcalling. and i would not be banned again

i am reformed. it is very easy for me to simply not type. i just really believed my chat was not seen as "bannable" in riots eyes because i did it for 4 years with no ban

so i am now 100% reformed. i now know that riot now sees "responding" as bannable chat. so i wont do it anymore

i truly feel i am 100% reformed. there is no reason for my account to stay banned

this was simply a communication issue. over 4 YEARS and 30,000 ranked games i have "responded to teammates" and not been banned

so over 4 years. i thought such chat as fine and allowed

now i learn its bannable. and instantly i lose my account forever

it feels very unfair

i am reformed. now that i KNOW "responding" is bannable chat. i wont do it anymore

the only reason i did it in the first place was because i ASSUMED that its fine / allowed chat.

if i KNEW it was bannable. I NEVER WOULD HAVE typed it

so its a communication issue

i didnt know it was bannable. riot never communicated to us that "responding is bannable". so i didnt know

now that i know its bannable. i can just not do it anymore..

iVIEWBOTOct 26, 20171 votes

also. the entire ban system seems dumb

if you are banned. you lose your account, your champions, your money

but you can "create a new account"

ok? so you create a new account. you play. you get back your rank

but you still lost all your champions. and your money.

wait what?

almost feels like a ponzy scheme

riot isnt really banning. they are just making you create a new account. thats your "punishment"

you can pat 15 dollars for a new lvl30 unranked account. and just be toxic again if you want

so like. what is a "ban" ? its just destroying your account. but you can make a new one. nothing is stopping you

people like me who are truly not toxic, just LOSE an account of 4years with all champions from a "ban". but i can make a new account. sure

so then wtf is even the point of the "ban" ? all it did was it made me lose my treasured account with insane value

but it didnt stop me from playing the game at all. i have many lvl30 accounts...

ccakecakecakeeOct 29, 20171 votes

GUYS here now my new argument is this. i think this argument seems 100% decent and totally makes sense

the general theme of the argument is that nowhere in the summoners code does it state that "responding" is bannable chat

all i was doing was responding when my teammates spoke to me. and i was responding with pure truth, nothing toxic or personal insults or anything. i was only answering my teammates questions.

and i have talked like this for 4 years without a ban. and nothing in the summoners code says "responding" is bannable. so isnt it completely fair for me to think my typing was completely allowed / legal?

please read this and someone tell me how this argument is wrong ? i cant see how this is wrong or unfair

my now argument / view is...

over 4 years of league, i have never once been informed by riot that "typing truth" and pointing out others mistakes (when spoken to, and when used as a response) is "bannable chat"

i have used this type of chat for FOUR YEARS STRAIGHT in 30,000 ranked games. and not been banned. so i assumed this was not bannable chat

also. i dont see anywhere in the summoners code that "responding to your teammates, when they speak to you, in a non toxic way, is bannable chat"

i feel thats all i was doing. my teammates were TYPING TO ME, and i was simply responding to them with the pure honest truth as i could see things. i wasnt raging or being toxic or anything

and now i have learned that riot now sees such chat as bannable

so over 4 years. i am shocked. i lost an account with every champion

if riot unbanned me. i simply wouldnt type anymore unless it is pure shotcalling. and i would not be banned again

i am reformed. it is very easy for me to simply not type. i just really believed my chat was not seen as "bannable" in riots eyes because i did it for 4 years with no ban

so i am now 100% reformed. i now know that riot now sees "responding" as bannable chat. so i wont do it anymore

i truly feel i am 100% reformed. there is no reason for my account to stay banned

this was simply a communication issue. over 4 YEARS and 30,000 ranked games i have "responded to teammates" and not been banned

so over 4 years. i thought such chat as fine and allowed

now i learn its bannable. and instantly i lose my account forever

it feels very unfair

i am reformed. now that i KNOW "responding" is bannable chat. i wont do it anymore

the only reason i did it in the first place was because i ASSUMED that its fine / allowed chat.

if i KNEW it was bannable. I NEVER WOULD HAVE typed it

so its a communication issue

i didnt know it was bannable. riot never communicated to us that "responding is bannable". so i didnt know

now that i know its bannable. i can just not do it anymore..