Sick of words being punished while troll actions are ignored.

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Point 3 is certainly trolling/griefing if they are asked to stop but continue doing it. They are intentionally depriving you of a chance to play safe, leading to either falling behind even further in farm or dying to enemies being ahead while trying to farm outside of turret's relative safety. Point 4 is arguable; if it's a gank, even if failed, it's OK to take a few minions - junglers need to keep up in gold/XP too after all. But if it's just coming to take minions with no enemy in sight then it's trolling as the jungler is screwing over your gold income while not doing their job of ganking/securing objectives/farming their own camps.

As to OP, there is a good reason why trolling (especially one of "soft inting" variety) takes longer to be punished. Smart trolls won't make it obvious that they are trolling, and in those cases it can be extremely difficult to separate a troll from someone that just has a genuinely bad game. I've had my fair share of 0/10 games playing when tilted, counterpicked with getting no ganks or just plain outskilled - and not a single one of those was me maliciously trying to prevent my team from winning.

Oh? And what if they 'mute all' at the starto f the game like so many people. You've 'asked them to', but they don't KNOW that.

Thank you for the rational comment.

Griefing is easy to see and it is intentional. No one walks across the map and pushes a wave by accident.

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All those points are troll.

My support tahm pulls me full HP from a kill then spits me out under their turret over and over. Troll.

My support pushes the wave relentlessly and dies over and over ...troll.

My jung takes the kill AND the wave and leaves... troll. My jung does nothing to help and just takes the wave and leaves..... troll.

I gank and both laners just watch....mild troll. But I wont waste time ganking again anytime soon.

If you disagree, I hope these things happen in every game you play. And you should be ok with that.

The first one is absolutely trolling. He is intentionally performing an action designed to kill you.

Pushing the wave is not trolling unless you can definitively prove that the player knows that is not the ideal way to play the game. If that player KNOWS they shouldn't be pushing the wave is bad, then yes. But if they don't, then they're just wrong. It's not trolling to be wrong.

A jungler ganking you and pushing your wave out is not trolling - that's just a disagreement about wave management. There's even the possibility he was in the right, especially if him pushing it denied your opponent minions and gave you time to safely back. Whether the gank is successful or not.

If my jungler ganks me and I am not in a position to help(low hp, no mana, skills on cooldown, or I just KNOW they have the advantage even with) then it is the wrong decision of me to try and help. That's actually a mistake I make all too often that I am trying to correct - helping people make bad plays alone. It's wrong of me, and it hurts our chances of winning. All it does is turn 1 death into 2 or 3 deaths.

What it means to me is that it was placed into a queue to be reviewed down the line. Without knowing how long that queue is, and how many they go through on average a day it is tough to say if it means it was reviewed yet.

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Of course I have no proof they were reviewed. That is part of the issue. I report it, and nothing happens. I include the possibility that no review was done as part of the problem.

Of course it is millions of people and millions of games. I am not suggesting that it is a small thing, just that it isn't being addressed and wont be. There is no short term profit in policing these games.

I would like to see the game changed in fundamental ways that would not affect pro play negatively but would radically change low elo play and force certain habits out of the game.

Auto assigning smite to the person assigned jung is a nice change. But I would go further and allow only one smite per team and make jung almost impossible without smite. Stop laners from farming my camps trollishly while I ping for them to stop.

Make support item all you can buy first item as support. And make it worth having. Support items would also be non sell-able sub 12 minutes. (Pick a time)

Make the minions equally difficult for jung and support to kill. Not your job. Exception for the support item CS interaction. Maybe allow jung to clear minions after some time like 12 minutes. He really should have other things to do early game. Or make the jungle item work like a support item in regards to CS and give / share the gold/exp with the laner. Then no one is sore about asshole jungle ganks that just take cs and leave. Of course he still broke your freeze...but what can you do? It would still be better.

I would like the support item to share HP of the support with the ADC. (maybe give it a range) This would fix a lot of issues with bot and encourage a defensive tank support. And penalize a "non support" duo bot lane.

I would make top lane less of a wild west crap shoot of long range poke killing any fighter you take. Maybe even limit ranged champs to certain roles. Or limit the number of ranged on a team. Spit balling here.

I would make a lot of changes that would make the game more playable, but all my ideas are targeted at reducing trolling (whether intentional or not) and balance and giving people the chance to play for a minute before being snowballed into a losing 30 minute waste of time you can't leave even if you ask for a FF.

Once Support dies twice and they gank and kill us both in the first 6 minutes, and then I am over 15 cs down, there is no coming back. But it will take another 30 minutes for the other team to actually finish.

If you are in your actual elo, not many laners can recover from 2 or 3 deaths and 15 cs behind. I am aware that the gold smurf in bronze game can 1v9.

I would like to see some high elo players try to recover from 15 cs down and 3 deaths to their opponent. Without help from the whole team. It aint easy. Start a 1v1 race to 10 kills like that and see how it goes.

.........Those are all awful changes.

Problem with auto assigning: currently what if I want to swap roles because I got filled jungle? 1 smite per team: Does it get removed from Summoner Spellbook then? Also, what if I want to do Ivern support with Spellbook and start with Smite to steal a quick camp? Camps aren't technically anyones, just as minions aren't anyones.

Support items already are worth having for gold gen. What, you gonna force an item based on role assignment? If so, again, trading roles. If based on champ, what if a champ is going elsewhere or is a flex pick?

Unless they reverted it, there already is a "Monster Hunter" debuff or something early for junglers. Gives reduced money (and maybe xp) from lane cs. They already made it so you can't have both jungle and support item. Now you want to basically give them both in one?

So basically a mini Knight's Vow? No. For someone who claims to be okay with Off Meta, you seem to not be okay with off meta.

No enforced.meta. you are trying to enforce a meta.

Isn't that why they redid shut down? To give back for breaking a snowball? People complain about the flex back from shutdown a snowball and snowball still. I get pro play is different, but have watched a game figured it was a loss because snowball; went to watch next game only to see the other team won against the snowball.

If it takes them that long to finish after this "deficit" maybe it wasn't as over as you thought.

If you are trying to 1v1 race to 10 killd instead of playing eith your team then sounds like a you problem.

Well you don't show that you're in the middle, but more like you're defending Riot.

At my best on my best champ, on a good day, I might be mid silver. With a good team that plays like minded, maybe even high silver/ low gold might be a stretch.

Just don't have the dexterity or hardware to go any further. And to be honest, I don't know all the champ abilities and item interactions well enough to be gold.

And I am fine with that.

Plus it seems every time I get to a promo, the enemy team is awesome and my team is afk or inting . I have checked op.gg and my opponents are regularly gold and high silver and even plat in a bronze promo!

So I don't concern myself with trying to beat a system that is rigged against me from the beginning.

In a recent promo for B3 they had an afk at 6 minutes and we still barely won.

I play casually and don't go all ham. It's not worth it, they just put you against harder opponents and give you worse team mates. What's the point?