PSA: you can skip punishment tiers.

Pie Cubed·May 25, 2017·5 votes·721 views

Don't try to use that as an argument or a way to look for sympathy when complaining about your bans.

16 Comments

PandaPenyihirMay 26, 20172 votes

I honestly don't understand why its so easy to get punished for shit talking.

I mean, are people so weak that mere words cause them harm? It's pretty pathetic.

ModPrandineMay 26, 20172 votes

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I honestly don't understand why its so easy to get punished for shit talking.

I mean, are people so weak that mere words cause them harm? It's pretty pathetic.

There's trash talking and then there's just being a jerk. If you're constantly just verbally abusing and harassing other players then it's no longer trash talking, it's just being a jerk. It's also not a matter of people being weak, it's just that the majority of players would rather not have verbally abusive players in the community.

PandaPenyihirMay 26, 20171 votes

well i come from a place were words dont mean anything, actions and results do.

As long as people are playing to win, thats all that matters, words shouldnt have any effect on you, ESPECIALLY from people over the fucking internet, i mean god damn, grow some fucking back bone people.

ModPrandineMay 26, 20172 votes

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well i come from a place were words dont mean anything, actions and results do.

As long as people are playing to win, thats all that matters, words shouldnt have any effect on you, ESPECIALLY from people over the fucking internet, i mean god damn, grow some fucking back bone people.

You misunderstand, it's not that most people can't handle it, it's that people who are being verbally abusive are just generally unpleasant to be around for most people. Not only that but the people who choose to spend their time typing up insults and flames are not actually playing the game during that time period, potentially decreasing their teams chances of victory. Ulanopo explained it best in this Knowledge Base article:

"People who report are simply being oversensitive. The mute button exists for a reason."

Let's start with the Riot quote on this (link (http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=30696571#post30696571)):

Why is verbal abuse punishable if there is a mute button/language filter? Players shouldn't need to rely on features like the mute button or language filter to engage with other players in positive ways. When a player verbally abuses another player and forces him to use the mute button, they have already created a negative experience for that player.

Simply put, Riot says no. You can scream and cry all you want, but it is their house and their rules.

With that out of the way, I think the topic deserves some further discussion. The theory is that, if people resolved to care less, then they would be happier. I often refer to this as "Argument from Stoicism" and I think it is a fairly weak philosophy because it places the burden on the person being expected to endure the behavior rather than the person exhibiting the behavior. "You should be able to handle it" is just a flimsy excuse for being a bully or a jerk. I have to be the bigger man so that you can do whatever you want? That hardly seems fair.

There is also the issue of how I spend my limited free time. Like most people, I am constantly required to make value judgments between the different forms of entertainment that are available to me and, let's be honest, we live in an age of nearly limitless entertainment options. If I'm having a bad day in League, I can just fire up Steam and play a whole bunch of games that don't require me to put up with someone's BS.

This is not an issue of weakness or thin-skin; it's a question of choosing activities that don't leave me feeling frustrated and angry. Too many of those experiences and I'll just find something else to do. Riot knows this.

Bottom line, people do like to win, but most people also like to do it without someone raging and flaming in the chat constantly. If that doesn't bother you then that's fine. That's not gonna stop Riot though from punishing verbal abusers alongside gameplay trolls as well.

PandaPenyihirMay 26, 20171 votes

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ModPrandineMay 26, 20172 votes

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No

it's just riot pandering to whiny bitching players, which most of the player base is, they can't handle mere words, case in point.

Funny, because most of the whiny players I see are the ones complaining about not being allowed to act however they want without being held accountable for their behavior. It's just like in the real world where if you act up constantly then the business manager/owner has the right to remove you from their store without a refund.

The main reason behind riot's system is that they want to keep as many players as possible so that they can keep up their revenue of micro transactions, and thats all there is to it, riot only cares about money, not the player base.

Of course Riot wants to keep as many players as possible-they are a business after all, which is exactly why they have rules and programs in place to discourage poor behavior and remove the ones who refuse to take a hint.

Since people are such whiny thin skinned runts, they need to cater to that crowd to keep them in the game so they can keep spending money and giving riot more revenue.

And who is more likely to spend more money on the game? The players who are actually enjoying it and who aren't being punished for going out of their way to ruin the experience of other players. Kei143 made a post that talks a little about it and it goes as followed:

When Riot permabans someone, their philosophy is "the chances of this guy reforming isn't a whole lot, we'd rather not have him in the game". Thus in their eyes, they have already written off the toxic player as a paying client.

From a business standpoint, do they want to remove the toxic guy who has spent $500 but is causing a negative environment for 4-9 other players in every game? Those non-toxics are also spending $500 and probably will spend more, promote the game more when they are enjoying the game AND they won't cause a negative environment.

I personally think it is a fine argument to protect the ones that are paying money and aren't toxic rather than protecting the ones that may pay the same amount but are toxic.

ModAttysu The PoroMay 26, 20172 votes

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No

it's just riot pandering to whiny bitching players, which most of the player base is, they can't handle mere words, case in point.

The main reason behind riot's system is that they want to keep as many players as possible so that they can keep up their revenue of micro transactions, and thats all there is to it, riot only cares about money, not the player base.

Since people are such whiny thin skinned runts, they need to cater to that crowd to keep them in the game so they can keep spending money and giving riot more revenue.

As a matter of fact; Riot tailors the report system and what is appropriate/not appropriate by the reports and feedback directly from the community. The majority of the community determined that they do not want to play in a toxic environment.

PandaPenyihirMay 26, 20171 votes

just so happens most of the community are spineless whiny people who have never tasted what real suffering is in life because they've had it much to easy.

that, is what the league community is, brats.

but whatever, you people can have your safe space, it only is a detriment in the long run for you.

ModAttysu The PoroMay 26, 20171 votes

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just so happens most of the community are spineless whiny people who have never tasted what real suffering is in life because they've had it much to easy.

that, is what the league community is, brats.

but whatever, you people can have your safe space, it only is a detriment in the long run for you.

Truthfully, IRL can and is difficult for everyone in one point of their life or another. In my opinion, playing video games should be about having fun and relaxing, not dealing with people being toxic and getting you in a horrible mood. It's why we all play games, so we don't have to deal with the massive pile of BS life is sometimes. There's nothing wrong with wanting to enjoy yourself in a medium meant to be enjoyed.

Though I can see your perspective, I don't believe calling people "spineless whiny people who have never tasted what real suffering is in life because they've had it much to easy" is appropriate, and it can be pretty generalizing to a degree. Please try to avoid doing that! Having an opinion and sharing it is one thing, just try not to use insults against others.

PandaPenyihirMay 27, 20171 votes

Man, they must send you riot affiliates through the same brain washing ritual.

you all sound the same with your half baked explanations.

Look, if someone is so insecure, and emotionally fragile, that MERE words cause them harm, they are not worthy of respect.

SnakDatSmilesBakMay 27, 20173 votes

You need to get this through your skull: your toxic words do not harm anyone, you just annoy them.

PandaPenyihirJun 8, 20171 votes

i dont know, ive been told several times by riot and self righteous assholes like yourself that "words hurt"

SnakDatSmilesBakJun 9, 20171 votes

Words hurt your reputation. ie. they get u banned

DolynaMay 27, 20173 votes

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Man, they must send you riot affiliates through the same brain washing ritual.

you all sound the same with your half baked explanations.

Look, if someone is so insecure, and emotionally fragile, that MERE words cause them harm, they are not worthy of respect.

Personally, I don't think being a jerk is worthy of respect. If people want to consistently be a jerk in the game, I'm fine with Riot showing them the door.

KORGtunersMay 25, 20171 votes

You don't look like the sympathetic type. Wouldn't it be easier if you just ignored the complaints?

Pie CubedMay 25, 20171 votes

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You don't look like the sympathetic type. Wouldn't it be easier if you just ignored the complaints?

Do I really not? Anyway, I'm just telling people that "I get 14 day ban without chat restriction" and all that crap isn't really a viable argument for why their ban was unfair.