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Permanently Banned

Mabuto··21 votes·4,240 views

So I'm going to make this brief, I had a 10 game chat restriction which I completed 3-4 weeks ago, and now I got a pop-up telling me I am permanently suspended after my last game?

Should I not at least get a 25 in game chat restriction, or even a 2 week ban? Why skip from 10 game straight to permanent ban? The things I had said were not even harsh enough to do that. I was not racist or homophobic (I even reported those in those very games that were racist and homophobic towards me).

I thought it goes 10, 25, 2 week, perma? What gives...?

EDIT: What is the point of a 2 week ban if it is not even used?

And also, why do you guys downvote me for asking questions? You guys are the reason people hate League, the ignorant ones that don't even read the original post or the replies, and actually think about the matter like a civilised human being, and reply respectfully. Instead, you just see a "complaint" and instantly go all biased without considering the issue at all, like childish kids (I realize that's redundant).

And yes, although the in-game chat and actions were wrong, please act humanly on the boards. No need for toxic smileys or instant hate. Thank you.

EDIT 2:

For those of you asking: Here is picture of a list of scrolling screenshots combined, just in case some of you do not believe that I copy pasted the full chat log, and need "proof."

http://imgur.com/WTxA7SN

101 Comments

YourQQ10 votes

Not getting a leash isn't a reason to troll the game. In fact, you should be fully capable of jungling without any leash whatsoever. Before I play ranked on a jungler, I always test my clear and path without any sort of leash. Champions like Tryndamere often don't want to leash because they want fury for their early level spike. Leashing isn't mandatory.

I would expect a suspension instead of perma ban for the 2nd time you do this but I'd 100% expect a perma ban to be the final result if it continues. I actually couldn't care less about people using profanity in chat, being rude etc. I have a mute button and also don't need to care whenever a random person online babyrages. However, if they aren't trying and are trolling the game because of something as petty as a leash, I have no button that fixes that. For me, it's 100x worse than being called an autistic retard who should have built a time machine to make sure his daddy's condom didn't break.

BTW: While I would never report someone for saying something was "ez" since they have a right to their obnoxious opinion, many others would.

Mabuto2 votes

It's not the fact that he didn't leash me. It's the fact he went to leash, bu then as blue spawned he pinged top and went top and said we wouldnt leash. THAT's what made me upset.

Nonetheless, I realize it was a mistake, but I shouldn't be instantly perma-banned, right..?

Mecha Jax2 votes

I think your reason for trolling is stupid. I think the way you tried to justify it by saying its because he indicated he was going to leash but didn't is more stupid. Bottom line, you trolled because you didn't get a leash.

I do not know how punishments progress as they are handed out but there is a clear escalation in your toxic behavior. You went from a 10 game chat restriction to physically trolling a game. Whether or not you should have went to the next level of chat restriction or 2 week ban is completely irrelevant. You chose to be a toxic player rather than be a more tolerant respectful one. I have fed in ranked games and felt awful when I apologized to my teammates all of them basically responded with hey man it happens to all of us. This kindness actually made me rethink how I felt towards people having a bad game, bad games just happen sometimes. This is relevant because it just shows the influence even one act of kindness can have on someone.

I just want to be clear when I say I am trying to be civilized in the things I say. All of us have been in games where someone trolled, it does not feel good especially when the person being trolled is not involved with the conflict at all. I imagine that since you said you would try for twitch that twitch is someone that was completely outside of the situation. Think about how he felt. That his game was being trolled because the jungler was demanding an apology that he was not getting. I can assume he was begging you to just not talk and try to win but no by the looks of it that did not happen. I can almost imagine the text chat where this poor player who just wanted to play a game now has to play peacemaker for both sides while he has to look on as the game just goes down the tube.

I feel as the troll you do not understand the full consequences of your actions. I do not think for a second that you considered the feelings of the players that were not flaming you for this whole situation. Someone who had no power over the situation had to deal with this because people decided to fight in a game. It just is awful in general.

Whether or not you deserved a perma ban I don't know but based on the fact you showed no improvement after a chat restriction you probably coasted over the 4 weeks between then and now with toxic behavior and it just piled up leading to your ban. To be clear by coasting I mean being toxic with gaps inbetween so it is hard to get banned for separated bad behavior.

If this has not convinced you, I am 99% sure that any account based game reserves the right to terminate an account for any reason deemed necessary so the final calls goes to them. Not what you think was appropriate. For whatever game you decide to play in the future from league to some other game I hope this was a lesson to you and that you decide to improve your behavior and move on from this experience with a valuable lesson.

Edit: I said in the beginning this would be short and sweet.... I was wrong

HazyCloud75 votes

A full on perma ban for what you did seems a bit harsh. 10 week chat suspension jump to --> 2 week ban seems more appropriate, assuming this is the extent of what you are being punished for. Why escalate the problem like that though? Not jungling for 7 mins just because you didn't get a leash? It's practically akin to just going AFK.

Mabuto2 votes

Well I actually did keep playing, just went mid to spite the Lux to show her to stop being toxic.

Whatever, it's wrong I see it.

But yes, that was exactly my point. I agree wholeheartedly. I also think that a 2 week ban would've been fair, and that I would've deserved it even. After all, is that not the point of a 2 week ban...?

HazyCloud72 votes

Yeah this isn't what I would consider perma worthy.

Good luck with your case.

Mabuto2 votes

Thank you for taking your time, but I have one more question:

How would I contact Riot about this? Should I open a ticket describing everything here with personal opinions about the matter included etc, or...?

HazyCloud72 votes

Submit a ticket to player support here: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

I wouldn't include personal opinions; there's no question that what you did was unacceptable and trying to justify bad behavior wont help your case. It's just a question of whether the punishment was too harsh or not.

Mabuto1 votes

http://imgur.com/iQFdVQA

Would this be a good enough description..? I hope I do not get an automated asnwer :'(

HazyCloud72 votes

Its no bother at all. This is just my personal opinion but I think the issue is that you're kind of trying to justify/downplaying your behavior. Don't mention reporting other people or that what you did is/isn't harsh. Whoever handles your ticket will have access to your chat logs I'm assuming so just state the sitaution and ask them if escalating your punishment straight to a permanent ban was intended/warranted in this case, and if so then perhaps ask if there is anything you can do to potentially get unbanned after demonstrating good behavior for a while.

Mabuto3 votes

Should I post screenshots/a copy paste of the chat log on my side so you can judge whether it would be worth submitting a ticket about the punishment being a bit harsh?

Deep Terror Nami8 votes

Yes.

Some extreme behavior may result in skipping punishment tiers. For chat offenses, this is usually homophobic slurs or hate speech of some kind.

Mabuto1 votes

Undefined is me, I don't know what happened, maybe Alpha Client Bug?

And no, I have not removed anything. It's all there just in case I do deserve the jump to perma from 10. I wanted to make sure.

Game 1 is the last game I just played. Game 2 was7 days ago. We won Game 2. I even have both recorded through op.gg if you wanted to check. Sorry for such disturbance, I just really feel frustrated.

Game 1 undefined: ATTENTION! undefined: I will NOT Smite first camp! undefined: So please give me an extra well leash on that undefined: Yasuo undefined: Yasuo undefined: Why did you go top undefined: Yasuo undefined: Nah im mid undefined: Until I get Yas leash undefined: Shhhhhhhh undefined: I want Yas leash ^^ undefined: Cause People like yas are stubborn and I want to teach them to do simple things undefined: Maybe leashing? undefined: Yas refuses to leash undefined: kk undefined: Thx undefined: Leahs me undefined: Wow an insult? undefined: Back mid till you say sorry undefined: Child. undefined: k undefined: THen say sorry undefined: ez undefined: Instead of arguing, say one word, and I'll be gone undefined: Easy :) undefined: Lux and Janna are flaming me undefined: And Yasuo refused to leash undefined: Janna literally all capsed me to kill myself, and called me a %%%got undefined: I told Lux to apologize, but she argues instead of simply saying sorry undefined: See? undefined: ikr undefined: I wanna teach em one word can make a difference undefined: Yeah undefined: Sigh undefined: Rage? undefined: All I need is a sorry from you undefined: I guess undefined: I'll go jungle if Lux apologizes undefined: Wow I DC right when I ult undefined: Did I die undefined: Oh undefined: Nope undefined: Thank GOd undefined: What'd I miss undefined: nj undefined: :) undefined: I'll help you win if Lux says sorry undefined: I'll camp bot if you want undefined: This Yas fed hard undefined: This Lux undefined: Flames me undefined: Doesnt help undefined: k undefined: And still hasn't apologized undefined: Her hitbox is pretty odd undefined: Drag undefined: This YASUO undefined: And Lux undefined: And Janna undefined: All toxic undefined: I can still feed undefined: Luxx no sorry undefined: Meet me at blue undefined: Nah undefined: I wanna teach them undefined: k undefined: I wanna teach them to listen or lose undefined: It's silver undefined: In FLEX undefined: Im B3 in flex undefined: But Silver in normal undefined: k Ill try for Twitch undefined: I still wanna punish Lux and Janna though undefined: Because undefined: It's a loss for them undefined: Randoms need to learn a lesson undefined: Sigh undefined: ok undefined: Nah undefined: You are undefined: Calling people %%%gots undefined: Telling them to kill themselves undefined: Im not inting undefined: thats it undefined: Meet me at your blue for real this time Im sick of Janna undefined: Thanks undefined: Tell Janna to shut the fuck up, do you not see how I was about to play but she keeps insulting me? undefined: Will you report her undefined: You were toxic and verbally abusing undefined: Not any better undefined: Youre carrying cause I ulted them all you dumb? undefined: k im muting them undefined: Muted all three undefined: Honor me report them undefined: ez undefined: Only honor me undefined: they dont deserve it undefined: Team not even there undefined: gg undefined: we need next drag undefined: Twitch cover me undefined: This Yas fed him hard undefined: Im staying with you btw undefined: I will undefined: DRAG NOW! undefined: cover me undefined: Are they still toxic undefined: I bet theyre still insulting me instead of playing lmao undefined: imma ult ganr undefined: IMMA ULT undefined: HELP ME undefined: IMMA ULT undefined: I SAID HELP ME undefined: smh undefined: Next time undefined: When I ult undefined: Help me undefined: And we win undefined: ez undefined: k? undefined: Twitch tell them undefined: I think they muted me undefined: Twitch tell them to help when I ult please undefined: thanks undefined: ALl BAron undefined: imma ult undefined: GUSY undefined: \drag Game 2 undefined: From 1 to Fuckable, how is Karma? undefined: Same undefined: Her short hair and dress and thighs...mm mm undefined: Uh undefined: Um undefined: Bestiality? undefined: kk undefined: NCE undefined: voli undefined: Bot undefined: No undefined: Summs undefined: GANK BOT undefined: drag soon undefined: I thought I had enough mana smh undefined: nah undefined: nj undefined: Bring sally up undefined: Bring sally down undefined: Lift and squat gotta tear the ground undefined: njjj undefined: drag>??????? undefined: plz drag undefined: Voli undefined: plz undefined: drag undefined: Imma start drag undefined: nj they warded it undefined: I am Karma undefined: I do more dmg than you undefined: I go in undefined: You go in undefined: Capice? undefined: Bad cause YOURE NOT FOLLOWING undefined: FOLOW undefined: OMG undefined: OMG undefined: Voli wanna gank bot when we're there? undefined: poliz? undefined: fedding? undefined: what? undefined: English?? undefined: what is fedding undefined: So instead of ganking you type undefined: Wow undefined: This Voli is afk n jungle flaming me instead of ganking undefined: I'm muting Voli undefined: I'm muting Voli, and reporting him undefined: Sivir when I root plz attack them undefined: Muting Sivir too, toxic undefined: Gnar good job top though undefined: And ryze undefined: Awesome guys!!! undefined: Tell me if it's worth unmuting those two toxics undefined: drag undefined: VOLI undefined: VOLI WTF undefined: Report this Voli undefined: sry oom undefined: Wouldve killed if I wasnt oom undefined: I'm not toxic? undefined: Then why call me toxic undefined: And please don't flat out say I'm bad, I realize that, and I'd rather not lose hope and motivation, okay? undefined: Nice undefined: Drag please undefined: FAST undefined: Before they take it undefined: voli, bot tower then drag? undefined: SHIELF undefined: who undefined: Who is broken undefined: Ryze? undefined: No I asked undefined: Who was broken undefined: Wa sit ryze undefined: baron or drag??? undefined: yeah undefined: Sorry undefined: They only have 4 towers of ours undefined: We cant give up

Friendly Ram3 votes

wow i don't know what to say. that was really obnoxious and dickish but i don't see anything that would result in jumping a tier. Report calling and ez are both reportable though as well as many of your comments.

Mabuto3 votes

I said "ez" cause it's shorter than "easy," since I was typing in lane. I meant that it is easy to say sorry, one word, instead of arguing a lot. I still realize it was wrong of me to do this in general. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

YourQQ3 votes

{quoted}

I said "ez" cause it's shorter than "easy," since I was typing in lane. I meant that it is easy to say sorry, one word, instead of arguing a lot. I still realize it was wrong of me to do this in general. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Oh, I misunderstood. I figured you got a kill in the game and typed that in all chat.

Mabuto2 votes

Yeah sorry, I really wish Riot would make all chats available instead of just our own, creates quite the misunderstandings and makes us seem in a worse light than if we saw the whole team's talk...

YourQQ2 votes

{quoted}

Yeah sorry, I really wish Riot would make all chats available instead of just our own, creates quite the misunderstandings and makes us seem in a worse light than if we saw the whole team's talk...

Yes, it does. They don't have to include names but they should include the whole chat. Things can be really hard to decipher with no context. Even a joke can be considered an insult.

I Q2 votes

" I'll go jungle if Lux apologizes" threatening to greif?

Mabuto1 votes

Read other comments. If you have further questions, I guess download and watch the replay(s)?

I Q7 votes

It was more as, Why do you think you deserve to not be banned, if you greifed/threatened too.

Mabuto1 votes

That is the problem. That is all I did, and it wasn't even a major case. I should at most get a 2 week, not go from 10 Chat Restrictions straight to a perma. And yes, I realize you can skip tiers of punishment based on severity, which is why I said I should first get a 2 week at most. Perma is too harsh, I had not fed multiple games, I had not been racist or homophobic etc (I'm against those!), and I just generally am surprised. I had anticipated a punishment after the game ended, and felt disappointed I did that, but then I get the perma ban pop-up....

I Q6 votes

I honestly don't care what happens, you do not threaten to troll in a game; if you do you deserve to be banned.

Why do something that you'll regret later? I read over your logs and almost EVERYTHING was passive-agro.

Mabuto2 votes

Yes I realize that. What I meant to say was that even though I have done wrong, I think a 2 week punishment would at least be fair. I already regret what I did, and a one or two time thing? That shouldn't really jump right to permaban, I think that is a bit harsh compared to everything I have went and lived through on my account already. Losing your account like this?

I Q1 votes

Right now what I am hearing is:

"Hey mom, I know I broke a window, but it is my first time breaking a window. I think me being grounded for a week is a little long, can you reduce it please?"

The difference is you KNOW you were doing something wrong, where as breaking a window is probs accidental.

Mabuto2 votes

Except you have it wrong and it would be more like grounded FOREVER. Not a week. Do you see the harshness now? Grounded forever after breaking one window? That is a bit exaggerated, no?

Avogwi1 votes

Honestly... There is a lot for you to learn after this. Especially since you JUST had a punishment. Odds are that even during your chat restriction you still had games where you made comments with the limited chat availability. If there were reports from those games as also this one too, then maybe that is why they decided to escalate. I mean... If you were hoping to just use up the entire penalty system and not make changes to your behavior then why not skip tiers of punishment? There are so many punishable things here. All stemming from something as silly as a leash.... Something that isn't even necessary.

Mabuto2 votes

Going to say what I replied to somebody else:

Permaban is too harsh, I had not fed multiple games, I had not been racist or homophobic etc (I'm against those!), and I just generally am surprised. I had anticipated a punishment after the game ended, and felt disappointed I did that, but then I get the permaban pop-up....

Avogwi1 votes

You are grasping too strong onto the extreme reasons for a perma ban. If a player isn't showing any desire to change ways after a ban is up (and likely while the ban was going on) they are ruining the community experience for the game. Therefore Riot has every right to remove that player from the community at their discretion. Learn from it because any gaming community has similar guidelines and even though you may have a bad game here and there and lose your cool, but when it is consistent (i think it's fair to say it likely is based off the reason for you going off in this game....) then you need to have a wakeup call.

Gimpy894 votes

You type way to much you need to learn to stfu and play.

you intentionally afk/feed to force lux to apologize. = Deserving of a jump.

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

Ok, I was gone for a while but I can now answer any concerns you may have if what others said hasn't sufficiently covered it.

Mabuto1 votes

If you want, catch up with the others.

Also, this is what I submitted:

http://imgur.com/h5g5sUc

Deep Terror Nami4 votes

Alright, looking through the chat logs, the most apparent reason for the escalation in punishment to a permaban was due to using the "f" homophobic slur twice. Yes, you were merely repeating what someone else had said, but that doesn't make it ok to use. They might go easy on you in a manual review, but they might uphold the decision for that reason too.

Let's say they do reduce your punishment or maybe you start on new account; you will still need to work on your other behavior. You spent a significant portion of your chat arguing with your team and you also threatened with reporting lobbied to get someone mass reported. Please try to avoid doing this. All it does is rile them up and perpetuate the problem, so just mute and report them. There is no need for you to ask for more reports anyway because it only takes 1 report to flag their match for review.

Dapper Hat2 votes

Dont listen to this person. She was removed as an arbiter for spreading false and misleading information about hte game systems and the individuals behind them.

Lao Fu the Tiger1 votes

You're joking, right?

She was removed because she made a few (well deserved) snarky comments towards Riot and the way the boards were moderated. She basically told them she didn't take back what she said (if I recall correctly).

Either way, it had absolutely nothing to do with false and misleading information. It actually does take a single report to flag a game, and even if others report, it does absolutely nothing past the first report.

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

snarky comments towards other players

No, it was for saying something about Riot and their boards moderation.

DrCyanide2 votes

And isn't it "he", not "she"?

Lao Fu the Tiger1 votes

Close enough. xD

The G4NGPL4NKTON1 votes

wow you said nothing wrong lol that was lame af u got perma ive said wayyyy worse sorry bout your luck

EvilDustMan3 votes

Yes, paste chatlogs.

Cosmo Memoria3 votes

Wtf is up with you and "teaching people lessons"

You sound like a raging child who doesnt get his way. If anyone is stubborn, its you.

vampirekid133 votes

hi, the system automatically looks for key words and behavior and bans based on that.

you did a fair amount of quoting your teammates with stuff like "they said i was a %%%got" and "they told me to kill myself" and "you tell others to kill themselves" and so on. its possible the system saw those and permabanned you based on them even though you were just quoting others.

fill out a support ticket: support.riotgames.com and ask them about it, if thats the case you might still get put on a 2 week ban and have the perma lifted.

you really should learn to shut the fuck up though. and i dont even mean that negatively. but really. just shut up in your games unless you want to say something positive. ive been here since season 2 and never got a ban. i just dont say negative shit. i dont even give people advice if i see them need it unless they ask for it.

Mabuto1 votes

Yes, thank you for your reply.

By now, after all of these replies, it is clear the key is to just ignore or even mute all, which I never even considered doing.

And also, this is the ticket I have submitted earlier, is it good enough or should I bump it with more info on the subject?

http://imgur.com/h5g5sUc

vampirekid131 votes

{quoted}

Yes, thank you for your reply.

By now, after all of these replies, it is clear the key is to just ignore or even mute all, which I never even considered doing.

And also, this is the ticket I have submitted earlier, is it good enough or should I bump it with more info on the subject?

http://imgur.com/h5g5sUc

its not usually a good idea to "bump" support tickets with new info because it places you back at the end of the queue, however in your case, i think its a good idea to edit it and make it clear that you want them to look at it again and consider lifting the permaban because it was not deserved.

you should say.

"i was permabanned without a 25 game chat restriction or a 2 week ban, and i said nothing homophobic or racist, could this of been a mistake? and if it was a mistake can i have the ban lifted please?"

also once you talk to support be sure to maintain your calm and not swear and talk nicely. even if they dont help you, they still know all your smurfs.

Mabuto1 votes

Thank you very much, though, I do not think I should bump it with that suggestion, since it is too similar to the original description, and that would make me seem pushy and thus put me in a bad light.

Stephenizgod2 votes

Alright bud, I am not a Riot member (obviously) and I didn't watch the game so I can't say for sure, but I would wager you were banned because you were trolling. You clearly are trolling someone here, you even state you will stop trolling if they apologize. You say somewhere else too that you will actually try to win if they apologize. That is trolling and it is a ban-able offense, I am pretty sure it is perma-ban levels of offense. It is hard to tell whether someone is feeding or trolling or if they are having a bad game, however if you admit to it in chat, even if you were just having a bad game it looks 100% like you are intentionally doing it. In your case, judging by your comments, I am going to go ahead and say you were intentionally trolling.

Now if you have a history of doing this and have been punished before for it, then you are eligible for perma-ban, or at least I believe that is how it works. Also I think in the Terms there is a section that states Riot has the right to suspend your account permanently whenever they want, so if you break the Summoner's Code, they can perma-ban you for that whenever. Normally they give people various punishments that escalate the more you break the rules in order to help you reform, but if they don't think you are going to reform then perma-banning you is the best solution.

Mabuto2 votes

As much as I hate this comment, thank you for it. Thank you for the information. Sigh. I didn't know Riot even does that...this is so frustrating of Riot Games...

Stephenizgod2 votes

No problem, it was nice to see a post that wasn't just whining.

To be fair though, you do agree to the Summoner's Code which basically says you agree to not be toxic, troll, or AFK and that you understand if you do any of those you can and probably will be banned. It is just no one reads those things which is why they are surprised when they are immediately perma-banned. It is not Riot's fault you chose to troll, that is on you. I understand your point though, it is a bit alarming that at any moment my account can be perma-banned.

Hopefully though, if you do make another account, you won't be toxic like most people are when their main account is perma-banned. New players are already incredibly turned off when they first start because there are so many smurfs and majority of them are super toxic towards new players.

Mabuto1 votes

Yeah no, true that.

I just made a new account in hopes of lessening my sadness or frustation, but...

I am nice to noobs. I help noobs get better. It makes feel big brotherly sort of.

But.

I have already encountered 5 toxic people over 4 different games, the extremely toxic ones, mind you. I feel so bad for new players because of the constant flame which they are not even able to control or responsible for.... Most of them don't even know about, or use the mute button, which will lead to them have a bad first impression of the game...sigh...

FaytalityHD2 votes

So even though I too think its sad and unjustified that you got permabanned heres what led to it: You repeating their hate speech. Its the only relevant thing in your logs. While you never meant to use them for insulting purposes and just reiterated what they said the bots cant tell the difference. Those bots issued this permaban I recommend contacting riot this ban is highly questionable and I think theres a good chance for it being recovered.

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