In responses to the latest trend about Singed support, maybe you guys should act more like this :

Namazu Ebisu·Nov 18, 2016·37 votes·6,445 views

THIS is communication, this is what makes you different from troll, this is what won't make you banned. Of course if the majority doesn't agree then don't be an ass and troll.

I'm posting this while the game is loading, you can check for profiles to see these guys are not my friends or whatever. Maybe people should stop considering everyone as monsters and start communicating the right way?

Edit after game :

http://puu.sh/slZDy/1600f7c034.jpg

We won, i did a horrible score, people might think i should have been reported if we look at my KDA but no one did. You know why? I was just friendly, i did my job : constantly warding and giving vision. I was a punching ball but in the end, they had no reason to hate me even if we'd lose. And statistically speaking, we should have lost since we were far behind on golds and kills. But with communication and vision, we got all barons and most of the dragons and pushed to victory all lanes.

I hope people take it that way and understand how much communicating is important. Thank you.

70 Comments

TyrekGoldenspearNov 18, 201622 votes

This mates is what communication is.

Salutes friend.

eldurisNov 18, 201612 votes

Aye! Salutes for everyone! o7

Namazu EbisuNov 18, 20161 votes

Hello mates!

TyrekGoldenspearNov 18, 20161 votes

OuO my first Arbiter reply!

Just as cool as a Rioter reply when on the PB&M board!

Maximum MordeNov 18, 20162 votes

That isn't what my games look like though. Most of my chats are more like...

Summoner 4 : Don't ban yas pls

Summoner 4 : Omfg you ban yas

Summoner 4 : Fkit I'm feeding

Summoner 3 : No different than before, you were just going to feed with Yasuo anyway.

Summoner 4 : fk u autism ****** get raped and die

Summoner 2 : Someone please dodge, I'm on promos

Summoner 4 : git gatekeeprs fk nob

Me : :)

StephenizgodNov 20, 20161 votes

I know it makes me a terrible person but I ban Yasuo if I see he is going to be on my team... I mean I OP.GG them first but if they don't have an amazing KDA and winrate, I will ban it and then pretend that it was an accident. You know what? Most of the time they pick a champion they have a way better score on and do great... Idk why people try to force playing a high skill flashy champ when they don't do great on them, but I prefer to win even if that makes the person mad at me.

Gromp123Nov 21, 201611 votes

Threads like this make me feel less grompy.

Photos of GhostsNov 21, 20164 votes

Oh do they? This person is implying that if you're not a meta player you have to comply entirely to your team's will, and they also pretend that off-meta can only happen in normals. They also say that, given their kda, they should have been reported. Is this the LoL you want?

Pandemic PunchNov 21, 20163 votes

I said this in another thread but I will say it again here.

If this Singed support player had a 2% win rate and was in Bronze 5, then Riot's argument would actually make sense. Riot is reallllllllly bizarre in this decision and they are not capable of making a strong argument in their favor on this one.

Anyway, upvoted :)

Namazu EbisuNov 28, 20161 votes

This person is implying that if you're not a meta player you have to comply entirely to your team's will, and they also pretend that off-meta can only happen in normals.

Excuse me? How can you think people will take you seriously when you are acting like this? People have been trying to bend words and rules to their own liking just so that they can do whatever they want to and create chaos around this whole affair. I think that your statement and state of mind is low and bad and probably reflect the view of a player that doesn't care about others.

When you play a team game, it's good will to communicate and act by the majority's will. If you want to pick Singed support but clearly the whole team and i mean the 4 of them are not feeling good about it, but you still go full in and act toxic about it ("i don't care what you guys said i play what i want") then you are a total jerk and ruining the mood and game of other people. There are tons of way including communication, to play your picks however you like without being toxic.

Yes off-meta picks OFTEN happen in normals because people playtest them. In rankeds, people are there to win and that's why you should have the decency to respect the meta that the community and game has built since launch. You think people can go and change the rules of sports just because they feel like it? Hell no! If you want to have fun, normals are the queue for that and friends too. If you still think your pick is worth ranked plays, is it that hard to tell your teammates so that they don't stress out? Once again : communication. You can have freedom as much as you don't tresspass others's freedom.

Your other comments were massively downvoted for a reason, you should reconsider your words and try to make it better for yourself and others.

Photos of GhostsNov 28, 20161 votes

THE META IS NOT RULES, FFS! DO NOT DARE COMPARE IT TO SPORTS RULES. The League equivalent of rules in a sport is, for example, the gold that you get upon killing a unit, or the time you have to spend dead. The meta is the equivalent of "according to your physique you should take this role". If you feel more comfortable in another role, your physique doesn't matter. META CANNOT EVER BE ENFORCED.

YOU KNOW THIS and should be terribly ashamed for having pretended you didn't.

Namazu EbisuNov 29, 20161 votes

I should be ashamed? Ask the people around, so far i see my thread going up and your comments going down, i think actual good people understand the stakes here. You are a lost cause...

LEEROY KLEDKINSNov 18, 20167 votes

It doesn't matter if your a feeder. if you and your team can still get money, exp, objectives, the right items, right champions and builds then you can win even if your doing shit.

I main yolo divers like Volibear Taric Kled Nautilus Rumble Sion and with some of these champions i've been a feeder and still been super useful to the team.

I've done bad early as kled but got kills by landing perfect ults and good objectives and taking hits for the team late game like a champ and still won the match.

Same with Sion but this champ is way easy to early game against all toplaners.

Taric's ult, barrier and recent changes to support items make him a god of tower diving.

Rumble's barrier is up almost constantly he is a good ap champ that can take alot of hits for the team in fights or jungle bosses same with diana and orianna.

Teemo though not the best champion to have on your team but he does have very good map awareness, burst and decent mobility. You can also use teemo as a bait champion leading the enemy into a bad spot losing hp or their lives it depends on how good your positioning, communication and movements are.

Salutes captain teemo. You did great captain, you still made a great contribution to the team.

People always think about KDA over gold, exp, champion abilities and items.

Namazu EbisuNov 18, 20161 votes

Aye, Aye sir!

LEEROY KLEDKINSNov 19, 20161 votes

<3 <3 i wish you good luck.

Btw if anyone gives you shit in chat, FUCKING MUTE THEM. Keep a positive attitude.

Just remember man even if you do feed you still have some use, i tend to run around top to bot alot to split push and force the enemy to chase which sounds odd to some but its a useful trick but can be risky but i do try to aim the most for objectives and keeping my team calm and in ranked it can get a bit too much XD.

Craft ZeppelinNov 18, 20163 votes

The singed person in question was just bombing his allies a wall of text at the last darn MOMENT if you look at his stream. Its literaly mindfoking his teammates.

Namazu EbisuNov 18, 20161 votes

He has a stream? Sorry to bother, got a link/video so i can check that please?

Craft ZeppelinNov 18, 20164 votes

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He has a stream? Sorry to bother, got a link/video so i can check that please?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UohpkGxfi-E http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/ZIdZercE-singed-guy-is-getting-rightfully-penalized

When this came up on the community, it came to light that the lolhounds edition was just a montage of his moments. Its quite shocking, since he is doing nothing that he claims to do.

Well...since he got tapped on the shoulder from riot he says he is sticking on the botlane when nessasary.

OdinakosNov 18, 20162 votes

The other video with Jinx was just discusting. He opened the stat screen after 2 waves and was like "Jinx 3 cs pfff" after letting her alone. Deam, everytime i fail my mid roam i feel bad for those 3-5 cs my adc missed, he was just outright blaming her for being 1v2.

CandoodleNov 18, 20163 votes

see here is the difference between you and supp singed guy

this is not ranked
your summoner spells (exhaust not smite)
you didnt spend the first 5 minutes of the game derping around in enemy jung
COMMUNICATION, you told your team your plans in lobby and didnt just copy paste a wall of text AFTER THE GAME STARTED
your team was cool with it and gave you the greenlight, Would you have acted differently if the 4 team members asked you politely not to go teemo supp? I'm guessing by your friendly nature probably yes
F*KING SIGHT STONE

IT'S THE ROLE NOT THE PICK THAT'S IMPORTANT CANT BELIEVE THIS DISCUSSION IS STILL GOING

Supp singed should act more like you, not us act more like your teammates

LirikNov 18, 20163 votes

oh boy you have it all worng, such a simple minded human being you are, its pretty simple, there is MORE THAN ONE WAY TO PLAY A ROLE AND THATS WHAT THIS SINGED PROVED TO EVERYONE.

FantasySniperNov 20, 20163 votes

Singed dude communicated properly every game.

The "lack of communication" excuse is bullshit.

You can't even call it "lack of cooperation", because that means that I can report anybody who doesn't go along with my dual-mid strategy.

UnpaladinNov 21, 20161 votes

This, his comment in champion select should be more than enough to be considered communicating with his allies. He tries to communicate that he isn't trolling (he really isn't), and his allies get heads up on what is going to happen in the game. That's more communication than most allies you find in this game do. He also plays like a genuine support after a little while too while also aiding in easing pressure from the team against enemy junglers and objectives, and yet that's not enough. In the end he has to play around everyone else, and no one else is allowed to play around what he has in mind otherwise he gets banned.

BladegloryNov 18, 20162 votes

I was just friendly, i did my job : constantly warding and giving vision.

And this is the important lesson to take away from this whole Singed debacle: when you pick a weird support, you need to actually play as a support. Safeguard your lane partner and provide vision control for your team.

LiandilNov 18, 20162 votes

Than you had very great luck with your teammates and you just show off one game, do this a hundred times and show off again. i bet it gives a different picture...

When iam trying to write something, at best something in french comes back at worst some Cyrillic stuff what you cant even read.

Immortal spaxNov 18, 20162 votes

well, as you said, this was a normal, in pre-season, that you won, re-try this in ranked, when the season starts while losing, x9 incoming.

Atlas The BirdNov 20, 20161 votes

Why try a new, off-meta pick in ranked though?

Immortal spaxNov 20, 20161 votes

new no, but off-meta yes, if you play a off-meta champ(lets say that you tried it 200 times in normal, ok?) and the team loses, most likely you will get reported, it happens even for "off-meta" champs like SIon AD, which is viable, imagine playing other champs.

YourQQNov 19, 20162 votes

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THIS is communication, this is what makes you different from troll, this is what won't make you banned. Of course if the majority doesn't agree then don't be an ass and troll.

I'm posting this while the game is loading, you can check for profiles to see these guys are not my friends or whatever. Maybe people should stop considering everyone as monsters and start communicating the right way?

Edit after game :

http://puu.sh/slZDy/1600f7c034.jpg

We won, i did a horrible score, i should have been reported if we look at my KDA but no one did. You know why? I was just friendly, i did my job : constantly warding and giving vision. I was a punching ball but in the end, they had no reason to hate me even if we'd lose. And statistically speaking, we should have lost since we were far behind on golds and kills. But with communication and vision, we got all barons and most of the dragons and pushed to victory all lanes.

I hope people take it that way and understand how much communicating is important. Thank you.

Right and if they say no you say "OK, I guess I'll just not have fun then. Thanks! Sorry, for trying to play something different." People are much less dickish about unconventional strategies in normals. What if you want to play Katarina - a 43% winrate champ., are you gonna ask your team if they're OK with it too since you're obviously hurting their chances to win? What about Talon - a 45% winrate champ, you going to ask permission? Why are you forcing such expectations on that Singed player when he doesn't need anyone's permission to play the game in the way he likes? He's not even that low ELO. Plus, if a strategy is bad, it will keep you from climbing very high and THAT'S FINE. It doesn't mean Riot has to now enforce the meta and ban you. The strategy will just restrict your ability to climb very high and your MMR will stay at the level where it's still viable. This might be Silver or it might be Gold etc. but the thing is, you'd statistically perform just like any other player in that ELO bracket.

Riot was wrong and it's not even a matter of opinion. They broke their own tenet of "not enforcing the meta" and the rest is just empty words trying to rationalize it. If you read that thread completely and with an open mind, I'd be surprised if you could still consider him a troll.

President Swa1nNov 19, 20161 votes

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Right and if they say no you say "OK, I guess I'll just not have fun then. Thanks! Sorry, for trying to play something different." People are much less dickish about unconventional strategies in normals. What if you want to play Katarina - a 43% winrate champ., are you gonna ask your team if they're OK with it too since you're obviously hurting their chances to win? What about Talon - a 45% winrate champ, you going to ask permission? Why are you forcing such expectations on that Singed player when he doesn't need anyone's permission to play the game in the way he likes? He's not even that low ELO. Plus, if a strategy is bad, it will keep you from climbing very high and THAT'S FINE. It doesn't mean Riot has to now enforce the meta and ban you. The strategy will just restrict your ability to climb very high and your MMR will stay at the level where it's still viable. This might be Silver or it might be Gold etc. but the thing is, you'd statistically perform just like any other player in that ELO bracket.

Riot was wrong and it's not even a matter of opinion. They broke their own tenet of "not enforcing the meta" and the rest is just empty words trying to rationalize it. If you read that thread completely and with an open mind, I'd be surprised if you could still consider him a troll.

They said they require communication before picking an off meta ROLE, like duo jungle. Also, that guy's 'communication' was just a wall of text he pasted at the last moment into champ select.

YourQQNov 20, 20161 votes

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They said they require communication before picking an off meta ROLE, like duo jungle. Also, that guy's 'communication' was just a wall of text he pasted at the last moment into champ select.

That was communication and there was plenty of time to read it. It wasn't even that long but saying it's a "wall of text" and at the same time accusing him of not communicating is incredibly contradictory and stupid. There's also no rule that you're obliged to communicate with the team or use pings. You can play as much as you like without saying a word or using a ping and you'll never be banned so you're applying a blatant double standard here.

Either way, he amply communicated at every stage and with every method available. What you're asking for is that his team gives permission and that's completely unreasonable. In fact, it suggests the very thing that Riot is attempting to deny (unsuccessfully). If you have to ask permission so you don't get punished for very unconventional strategies, that is by definition enforcing the meta.

TrulyBlandNov 20, 20162 votes

How is that "by definition" enforcing the meta? You can ask for permission and in many cases, even if not the majority, people will be okay with it. Or if you really want to push it through every game, you can either inform the adc in time, so they at least can pick their champion with that in mind, or you can duo queue and remove that factor alltogether.

You have plenty of ways of breaking the meta. All Riot cares about is that you are not being a selfish idiot about it. Scratch that: All Riot cares about is that you are not consistently being a selfish idiot in over a hundred games to the extent that you get reported so often, that Riot manually reviews the case. I mean, so many people are acting as if this was a precedent for Riot starting to ban people left and right for every single unusual item people buy. But there are so many people who break the meta, so many people that try unusual builds and tactics... and yet, for some reason, on the rare occasion that a single one of them gets banned, there's always the common factor of how poorly they communicated it with their team.

President Swa1nNov 20, 20161 votes

Check out my latest post.

HE was assinged (pun intended) a role and didn't play that role. How would that be allowed? In the same way you must communicate with your team to swap roles or play a different role to what you were assigned, he had to ask them to play duo jungle instead of Support first.

And the problem is, what you call communication in champion select was really just a warning about how he wasn't going to follow what role he was assigned. Regardless of the reaction from his teammates to the text he typed he went ahead and played duo jungle. That is not communication.

It is not 'enforcing' any kind of meta. It is ensuring that he plays the role he is assigned to play (i.e. Support). Whenever he wanted to play duo jungle, he should have CONVERSED with his team and simply not done it if they didn't want him to. He is not the one that should be expecting to play duo jungle, he queues up for a different role.

In fact, if you watch his stream, sometimes, he really does just type in his explanation at the very last second. Not only is he not asking for their consent in that case, he isn't even warning them.

HemanthNov 18, 20161 votes

Nice , was it ranked?

Namazu EbisuNov 18, 201611 votes

Nah normal game, i'm dead serious in rankeds :p You should not try stuff like that in rankeds tho.

Battlecast SonaNov 18, 20164 votes

I wish people with your mindset existed in NA.

Pale PirateNov 18, 20161 votes

Believe me, in Europe it can be even worse, because you don't even know every single one of your teammates knows English.

TeCoolMageNov 18, 20161 votes

It should be allowed if they've played it multiple times in norms tho

Photos of GhostsNov 18, 20162 votes

Why? Don't you realise every meta pick comes from experimenting? Or do you want us all to wait for pros to sacralize a pick?

Namazu EbisuNov 18, 20162 votes

You don't "experiment" in rankeds, that's what normals are for...

Mecha JaxNov 21, 20162 votes

Sorry to hop on a 3 day old comment but I need to ask.

I am confused about your stance on singed support. I noticed in your post you mention its all about communication which the singed support did do. In champ select he let his team know what he was doing and why he was doing it so communication is not the issue. The second argument would be he is experimenting which he is not the guy has about 3 million mastery points on singed and used his strategy to get to a max rank of platinum. I would say that is was past experimenting.

Do you think his punishment is or is not justified?

TrulyBlandNov 21, 20163 votes

The way he communicated was still far from flawless. Apparently he said what he was going to say after everybody had picked their champions (possibly to avoid an argument) meaning people were not really able to adapt to it properly. As a red in the other big thread about this has mentioned as well, there is a difference between communicating at somebody, and communicating with somebody.

What the singed in question did, was the equivalent of holding up a pre-written sign informing others of something he will do regardless of their input. So apart from being a completely one-sided form of communciation, such a copy-paste text shortly before the game starts essentially tells the team that he will not listen to them if they disagree with him. And in the context of teamplay most people would simply not consider that to be adequate communication.

Mecha JaxNov 21, 20162 votes

If singed did communicate before champions were picked and an argument was started but he explained how it does work and he has done it before would he still be in trouble for picking that champion and invading?

I feel like the objections they would have to him playing singed support would be the same as a team saying a player did not want to pick any certain champion. My main investment in this issue is the fact that if singed is in the wrong then it feels like there are meta restrictions and that certain things should not be done or even practiced since they receive this kind of attention.

Edit: before mentioning normals for this kind of stuff. Assuming normals is a queue mainly for practice for ranked, why play something that you will never be able to use in a ranked game?

TrulyBlandNov 21, 20161 votes

I'm not Riot, so of course I can't really say for sure whether or not he would be in trouble, but from the way I read the various redposts on this issue, the problem they have with it seems to mostly hinge on the way he communicates his plan with his team.

Look at it from this perspective: Most toxicity stems from people playing the blame game. Singed is, essentially, putting fuel into this potential fire, as he is allowing somebody to pick an ADC that they might still be good at, but with which they can do nothing in a 1v2 lane. And whether they type it or not, they will blame Singed for losing their lane in this case.

What my personal gripe with this is, is that it's obvious he is intentionally waiting with his disclaimer. Since he is copy-pasting it, he might as well paste it earlier, allowing people to pick around his plan. [Edit: I wouldn't even hold it against him if he waited until ban phase is over. While suboptimal, it's understandable when so many people are willing to ban a teammate's preferred champion to avoid their "bad" picks.] He is willingly sacrificing other peoples' enjoyment of the game, for the sake of not having to defend his decision. And while one, two, or even a dozen games like this might not be considered so bad that it warrants some intervention by Riot, this particular Singed did so consistently over hundreds of games.

People keep bringing up his winrate... but I think that in context can actually be held against him. Think about what an effect he must have on other peoples' enjoyment of the game, if even though his tactic is effective and makes people win, he is still being reported so much, that Riot felt they need to manually review this case and take a stance on the issue.

Also, to clarify: I absolutely agree on your stance regarding normal games. Experiment in normals, verify your experiments in ranked, and when the conclusion is that it works, keep doing it until it stops working.

Mecha JaxNov 21, 20161 votes

Thank you for the thorough and clear explanation. I guess I am biased to the fact that if he is winning he should not be punished but its is not always about winning that people play league they also want to have fun while winning.

This singed may have been succeeding in his new tactic by counter jungling but by doing this he is sacrificing the fun of an ADC because that ADC needs to deal with a 2v1 lane which is a dreadful experience even if it only is for 5 minutes and may even result in the ADC performing poorly the entire game if the enemy gets farm advantage. Even if they win that game the ADC did not really get to enjoy lane as he was most likely behind for a decent amount of time.

I guess I was so caught up in seeing such a new and interesting tactic for a support that I overlooked its effect on the teammates than the game as a whole. I honestly just want more new tactics to be added to league since the only real creativity I am feeling in games is maybe going a build a character does not usually go like ADC teemo or AP burst nautilus or even tank shaco. It starts to feel stale, the thought of a support counter jungling and causing havoc seemed astonishing.

Namazu EbisuNov 28, 20161 votes

As i understood it, he was just pushing his pick without justification, making people really nervous and having a bad time. That behavior deserves punishment, he can't have the right to make people nervous and stressed so he has fun. Since then again as i read, he learnt his lesson and communicates more on his strat so people agree easier when they know what to expect.

Pierce The VealNov 20, 20163 votes

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Nah normal game, i'm dead serious in rankeds :p You should not try stuff like that in rankeds tho.

I mean if you practiced it for a long time I don't see why not.

Mecha JaxNov 21, 20161 votes

Because then you end up like the singed support player mentioned in the title.

Pierce The VealNov 23, 20162 votes

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Because then you end up like the singed support player mentioned in the title.

If rito bans me then so be it. I'll finally be free.

Pandemic PunchNov 21, 20161 votes

If I am the best jungle Soraka in the world and am able to make it to challenger with it, I am going to play it no matter what my team says. No amount of communication will change the situation. I will not cater to my team if it is my highest chance to win.