Make a customizable chat filter.
Whenever the player sees a word they don't like, they highlight the word and right click on the word. This puts the highlighted into their own personal chat filter dictionary.
Allow more complex editing through notepad. (spam prevention, word spreading prevention. non-native language filtering)
Ambient Snow12 votesYea no..
cause this doesn't fix any thing
if you just bleep out words then instead of seeing
" I hope you get Cancer and die"
you see
" I hope you get @#$@! and !@#"
cause that's so much better?
the player is still being toxic and needs to be banned or worse
I hope you !#2 !@#! mother !@#!@#!$ !@#! a horrible @#$#$@ing Death. From Getting @!#$@#$@ and just suffering For years you #$#@$ gay $#@@%@%@# "
Again The person is still being toxic and a chat filter fixes nothing for that person attitude and game play experience.
KORGtuners1 votes" I hope you get @#$@! and !@#"
Should actually be: "I hope you get and"
Mute the words don't encrypt them. (BTW I could come up will a million positive sentences out of that example, your mind is biased on that one)
Again The person is still being toxic and a chat filter fixes nothing for that person attitude and game play experience.
No ones play experience is being effected by the filter. This is important. Actual prevention of toxic chat. The toxic person is the only one being subjected to toxic chat.
I tend to agree it won't change their behavior. This is a video game. To change human behavior seek a psychologist or religion.
I hope you !#2 !@#! mother !@#!@#!$ !@#! a horrible @#$#$@ing Death. From Getting @!#$@#$@ and just suffering For years you #$#@$ gay $#@@%@%@# "
"I hope you mother a. From getting and just suffering for years you"
I'm fairly confident I could even filter that more.
Torgaz7 votesWhy would you ask them to put in more useless coding?
Mute&report works better
KORGtuners1 votesWhat are you talking about? Chat filter clearly works better.
Muting effects all chat. If you mute someone, you will not see if they say something positive or negative. Chat filter keeps the positive and loses the negative.
Reports are ineffective and constantly resource comsuming. Chat filter is a self sustaining system that requires no maintenance or resources once implemented.
Reports and muting are incapable of prevention. Chat filter is an actual preventive measure.
Torgaz7 votesYour language filter doesn't prevent anything. It sweeps it under the rug and pretends it's not there. While it's a novel idea, it wouldn't work.
To fix the issue of toxicity there have to be consequences to people using the anonymity of internet games to behave like trash.
As a comparison. WoW has a mature language filter and you can /ignore people (mute them) BUT if they go off on hate speech or harassment, they are reported and their accounts are banned. WoW for the most part is only less toxic because it is continuous whereas LoL is broke up into 30+ minute games so they are less likely to run into the same people over and over again increasing the anonimity.
Mute and report will help remove players who are being toxic ass-hats and make the game more enjoyable.
cuddlykitten410 votesOr people could just not be dicks. Your solution is great for a game. My solution is great for humanity.
KORGtuners1 votesWhat about accidental dicks?
Please upvote this thread.
cuddlykitten46 votesIs that like where you tell a girl you're gay so she'll shower with you? "I swear that's never happened before"
cuddlykitten46 votesWhich is ironically the same thing anyone who gets permabanned says XD XD XD
KORGtuners1 votesNo, it's when you tell a joke at an inappropriate.
Or when you are typing and people can't read your body language.
Or simply mistyping.
Or simply misspeaking.
Or when a human being is under a ton of stress.
cuddlykitten48 votesIt's a joke, not a dick. Don't take it so hard :P
KORGtuners1 votesNo, it's when you tell a joke at an inappropriate.
You are being an accidental dick. You have just failed the "Or people could just not be dicks" movement.
cuddlykitten45 votesAgain, it's a joke, not a dick. Don't take it so hard XD
cuddlykitten44 votesAlso why did you bother to make a fake quote copy of something I didn't say but not make it a complete sentence? I don't get what that's meant ot accomplish for you.
KORGtuners1 votesIt is a quote of what I said. It is a very real quote.
Once again, you are being a hypocrite. Maybe it is time to stop your joking?
cuddlykitten42 votesActually, smartass, I was just playing with you and having fun. You take shit way too seriously. I will never stop joking. Guess what, my carefree attitude is what makes me not need any kind of filter. I can roll with the punches. You know why? Cause I treat em like jokes, not dicks. I don't take em so hard XD Some ez carry all over you or something cause you seem ragey XD Maybe it's because you use Korg tuners so your guitar is never actually in tune, I might be upset about that too
Colgate Gator10 votesHow to: effective chat control without account bans
Learn some manners at home, don't bring your shit onto other people.
KORGtuners1 votesWhich one is easier for Riot: your way or my way?
One game client vs billions of people
I may be biased but I'm leaning towards my way.
AeroWaffle10 votesWouldn't the person learning to control themselves in chat also just be one person?
KORGtuners1 votesSo teaching billions of people, one at a time, is easier than "teaching" a single chat filter?
DrCyanide7 votesActually... yeah, it probably is.
Teaching billions of people one at a time requires 1 guy, with 1 camera and a YouTube channel. People watch the video one at a time and are educated on how to be better in society.
The amount of work required to take the YouTube video from concept to finished is probably less than the design work for the filter. After that point, the filter needs to be actually built and tested. If it's accepting custom words from the player base there needs to be checks to make sure malicious user input isn't being entered and that the words are safe to add (for example, it'd be a bad idea if "dragon" or "baron" were added to the banned words list).
KORGtuners1 votesThe amount of work required to take the YouTube video from concept to finished** is probably less **than the design work for the filter
AKA you don't know. You are guessing.
If it's accepting custom words from the player base there needs to be checks to make sure malicious user input isn't being entered
No, it doesn't. That is the entire point of CUSTOM. Each person gets to decide for themselves what they want to filter. Other peoples filter will not effect your filter.
DrCyanide8 votesAKA you don't know. You are guessing.
It's an educated guess. I'm a programmer, so I considered the effort it takes to make the requirements document and the design specs for such a project. Creating a script for a YouTube video would be similar to the requirements document, since you've got to know what to cover as a starting point, then actually filming it would be comparable to making your design specs.
No, it doesn't. That is the entire point of CUSTOM. Each person gets to decide for themselves what they want to filter. Other peoples filter will not effect your filter.
Where do you think that filter would be saved?
It would have to follow the same process that your Settings and Item Sets follow, being saved on Riot's Server so that players who play on multiple computers (such as PC Cafes) can have equal access to the feature. Saving to the local disk only would create problems for users on shared computers.
AeroWaffle8 votesYou just got done saying that each person would need to tune their chat filter themselves. That's a lot of chat filters and a lot of extra effort from the players that don't have the behavioral problem.
KORGtuners1 votesNo. There is a difference between CAN and HAVE TO.
Why are you even here anyways? You have absolutely no intention of listening to a thing I say.
AeroWaffle9 votesNo. There is a difference between CAN and HAVE TO.
Funny, I could say the same about poor behavior. It's a choice, not something that you're forced to do.
Why are you even here anyways? You have absolutely no intention of listening to a thing I say.
Because I believe you just want to have the right to be an asshole without the repercussions.
KORGtuners1 votesBecause I believe you just want to have the right to be an asshole without the repercussions.
You couldn't stop me if you tried. So why are you here?
AeroWaffle7 votesWho said anything about stopping you? I'm just here to continue to point out that the better solution is to just not be a dick.
KORGtuners1 votesGo make your own thread. Mine get downvoted and buried with irrelevant responses within half an hour.
CooL Ice Tea5 votesBecause you are a ignorant person which will never listen to anyone else then yourself.
DrCyanide11 votesRiot's already done the "shape up or ship out" method, so I'd say it's easier to keep that than to replace it.
It's not that hard to be a decent human being.
billions of people
Billions of people don't have trouble being decent to others.
KORGtuners1 votesRiot's already done the "shape up or ship out" method, so I'd say it's easier to keep that than to replace it.
That is what the word "lazy" means.
It's not that hard to be a decent human being.
Every waking moment of your life?
Billions of people don't have trouble being decent to others.
I guarantee every single person on this planet has been rude at least one time in their life time. According to you, they all chose to be rude.
DrCyanide9 votesThat is what the word "lazy" means.
You asked what was easier for Riot, keeping a system that works pretty effectively is easier that creating and testing new code.
If you're looking for an "easier" way to not be banned, does that mean that you're just lazy?
Every waking moment of your life?
Most people are at least decent human beings all the time. Sometimes they're even good. You seem to be mistaking being "decent" for being "perfect", which isn't what's being asked.
The system takes into account "bad days" within reason, just like those who interact with you day to day do. If you're having trouble with it, then you're out of line. You're either acting very extreme on your bad days or you're having too many bad days and need to find a better way to cope.
I guarantee every single person on this planet has been rude at least one time in their life time. According to you, they all chose to be rude.
You don't get banned for being rude one time in your life, you get banned for regularly being rude. We're all here to have fun, being rude doesn't help anyone.
KORGtuners1 votesYou asked what was easier for Riot, keeping a system that works pretty effectively is easier that creating and testing new code.
No I asked what was easier for Riot: (Only two options)
Teaching billions of people manners.
Implementing a chat filter.
You seem to be mistaking being "decent" for being "perfect", which isn't what's being asked.
I'm not mistaking anything. You never defined decent.
You're either acting very extreme on your bad days or you're having too many bad days and need to find a better way to cope.
More abiguous language. Who and how did Riot decide what is "too many"?
You don't get banned for being rude one time in your life, you get banned for regularly being rude. We're all here to have fun, being rude doesn't help anyone.
Notice the bold part? That includes the toxic people. Why should they get banned and you don't?
Billions of people don't have trouble being decent to others.
This was your original quote, So yes, billions of people have had trouble being decent to others. Billions of people are having trouble being decent to others.
DrCyanide9 votesI'm using the basic dictionary definition of "decent", are you really struggling with that?
- conforming with generally accepted standards of respectable or moral behavior
- of an acceptable standard; satisfactory
By the definition of the word "decent" most people are "decent".
"too many bad days" is likely mathematically defined by being a certain percentage outside the standard deviation, which would in turn be defined by the majority of decent players and how they act/report.
Riot doesn't need to teach "billions" because billions aren't being banned.
The game's got 100 million players that play each month. If you assume that 50% of these players are banned and need to be taught, then it'd take over 3 years for there to be 2 billion (the minimum for "billions") players to accumulate to be taught. If you're going with a more realistic number of people banned of 10% then it would take over 16 years for there to be billions of players to be taught.
You're also acting like the current ban system isn't educating the banned. You get a punishment letting you know your behavior wasn't OK, you get your chat logs, you can see what you did wrong, and if you've got doubts on what was wrong you can post on the boards and they'll help you find out.
Even if you willfully ignore all that, creating a video on basic game manners would take less time and effort than creating the filter.
Notice the bold part? That includes the toxic people. Why should they get banned and you don't?
Toxic people ruin the game for a significant portion of the player base. At minimum, they ruin it for their 4 teammates, but they can also ruin it for all 9 other players in the game.
A toxic player is very much like an opponent in Chess that cheats, moving pieces where they don't belong. It's irritating, you're no longer even focused on the game you set out to play, and no matter if you beat them or not they've made a mess of the match and you're left wanting a real game.
I, for one, don't think anyone is so far gone as a human being that they can't behave decently. It's even easier to be decent in an online text-based setting than it is in the real world, since you can edit or retract statements before they get to the other person.
I believe in you. You can do it.
CooL Ice Tea3 votesCyanide I appreciate your effort but you waste your time here with this "person". He will never admit that he is wrong in at least one point.
ModUlanopo9 votesI don't think this would work or be of value.
We already know from the early chat restrictions that people who can't be toxic in chat will find other ways of griefing.
This would only "benefit" the very, very small percentage of people who can't figure out how to not be toxic. Why should Riot spend money on them?
People would just figure out how to insult people without triggering the filter. I'm fond of saying (not in game, of course), "If I had my way, there would be a filter in every urethra to eliminate your type." Your filter wouldn't be able to handle that.
It places the burden on the wrong person. We shouldn't have to waste our time tuning the filter so you can behave however you want.
KORGtuners1 votesPLEASE TRUST ME. I don't have time to "argue" with you.
We already know from the early chat restrictions that people who can't be toxic in chat will find other ways of griefing.
They are already using these so called "griefing methods". Chat filters do not even consider game play griefing. Griefing is an entirely separate system. You have a completely irrelevant point.
This would only "benefit" the very, very small percentage of people who can't figure out how to not be toxic. Why should Riot spend money on them?
No. It benefits EVERYONE. Examples: Mute foreign languages. Mute "KYS". Mute spam text. Mute literally anything you want. It is 100% personal choice. You get to automatically mute before the "words" are even typed. This is called prevention,
People would just figure out how to insult people without triggering the filter
If you mean "game play griefing" then true. Irrelevant, see first point.
If you mean "circumventing the chat filter" then false. You are from the wrong perspective. No one knows what is on your chat filter unless you show them. They receive no feedback from the game on what was accepted by your filter.
Your filter wouldn't be able to handle that.
Wrong. Customizable chat filter can be coded before ever entering a game. Therefore, a chat filter that mutes all would easily handle any possible situation.
It places the burden on the wrong person. We shouldn't have to waste our time tuning the filter so** you **can behave however you want.
There is another side. Why do you get to behave however you want?
Because We are the "right people".
Life is pretty fucking sweet for the "right people". I understand why you hesitate. There are just people.
ModUlanopo8 votesThere is another side. Why do you get to behave however you want?
Because We are the "right people".
Life is pretty fucking sweet for the "right people". I understand why you hesitate. There are just people.
I don't get to "behave however I want." I have to follow the rules like everyone else. That's the point.
KORGtuners1 votesI don't get to "behave however I want."
Yes you do.
I have to follow the rules like everyone else.
No you don't.
That's the point.
IDK just felt like quoting. The irony is custom chat filter means everybody gets to at least talk how they want. Freedom of fucking speech. For every single person.
TyrekGoldenspear5 votesCough the freedom of speech restricts government not private companies Cough.
ModUlanopo10 votesFreedom of fucking speech
That's not how freedom of speech works. There's a difference between legal freedom of speech and social freedom of speech.
Legal freedom of speech protects you from government restricting your speech, with certain exceptions.
Social freedom of speech is the hope and expectation that most places will be generally tolerant of speech. There's no guarantee of such.
KORGtuners1 votesThat's not how freedom of speech works. There's a difference between legal freedom of speech and social freedom of speech.
I really don't give a fuck what definition you use. Saying anything you want = Freedom of speech.
Freedom of speech > Censorship
Freedom of speech with censorship = transcendant shit
CooL Ice Tea8 votesSaying anything you want = Freedom of speech.
and here you show us how uneducated you are.
I really don't give a fuck what definition you use
there is only one damn definition. Damn Idiots on the internet these days.
[zombie-brand-facepalm]
HexaDecimel4 votesDude just stop, you are beating a dead horse, and you just revealed your true level of understanding.
Companies and Establishments have the right to determine their own code of conduct or terms of use, within reason. If I start cussing out someone in a restaurant I am going to get kicked out and possibly not be allowed to return. That is their right to do so.
Freedom of Speech just means the Government can't censor you, with some conditions.
KORGtuners1 votesFreedom of Speech just means the Government can't censor you, with some conditions.
Freedom of speech = saying whatever the fuck I want
It is a basic human right that you litterally can never take away from me. As long as I continue to breath, I will exercise my rights,
KORGtuners1 votesReality > Government
I was born with lungs. I will pass air through my throat, into and out of my lungs. I will do this until I die.
HexaDecimel3 votesSounds more like you were born with a bunch of hot air and a big empty head.... [slayer-jinx-wink]
HexaDecimel4 votesWhy should he trust you? The primary beneficiaries of this idea are the toxic players that harass others in chat. This would just allow them to carry on like everything is okay.
Players can't know what other players are going to say to them until they have already said it. Sure they can customize it later, but by that time its already been said. Plus we aren't idiots, and we can tell what the meaning is even if I cant see the word.
At least not the threat of a punishment probably holds a good number of players back from what they could say. If they felt more anonymous they would just get worse.
The burden really shouldn't be placed on the non-toxic player to protect themselves and created complicated filters with hundreds of possible word combinations. Currently all players have to click mute, and click report.
