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KORGtuners··5 votes·1,630 views

Have you ever heard this saying: "sticks and stones may break my bones; but words will never hurt me"?

That is not a silly nursery rhyme. It is valid real world advice. Want proof? Try it out on me. Try to insult me. Give me the abosolute worst words you can imagine. I guarantee there is not a single thing you can say that will hurt me. Seriously, try it. It is impossible for you to hurt me with words.

Why are you punishing people for harmless words?

Did you know, you are actually making things worst by punishing chat related offenses? You are giving power to the powerless. When people insult you, they are trying to upset you. If you simply ignore the insults, they are harmless. When you punish/report the insults, you are verifying that the insult was successful. Did you catch the wisdom?

Reminds me of another saying: "Give a man a fish. Feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish. Feed him for life."

Report/punish a person and you temporarily solve a problem. Teach people to never get offended in the first place and you solve all future problems as well.

I understand you want people to be nice to each other. That is a noble goal. However, even that has some problems. Have you ever heard of sarcasm? Through sarcasm, I can be insulting while saying seemingly nice things.

Now consider that report/punish is not a preventive measure. It is a reactive deterrent. The true preventive measure is the chat filter. Yet, Riot allows the player to opt out of the preventive measure. Why are people allowed to be offended when they purposefully chose to see offensive speech?

This leads into the mute button. This quote is directly from the Summoners Code:

"If someone's really starting to bother you, the mute and ignore commands are always there to resolve the situation."

Notice a particular word, "resolve". If the situation is resolved, why are you escalating it? Punishment is not needed when a situation has been resolved. This points out the reactive nature of punishment. Aswell as, gives a hint at the toxicity behind punishment. It also leads into behavioral sciences. I don't have sources prepared. So, I won't go into that aspect. Let it be noted though, that the current system is not endorsed by behavioral sciences.

What should be done by Riot?

Stop all chat related punishment. Encourage use of the mute button. If deemed beneficial, expand on the in game chat filter.

41 Comments

FurriesAreHot10 votes

Every day, hundreds of people commit suicide due to words.

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

Really? My bad words just made people wanna live longer to see me dead instead of suicide... I wonder what kind of people you know that would actually suicide if I call them "stupid" ? I mean I knew a lot of people who committed suicide and none were, because of getting offended. A majority of them were because of "love issues" or, just a bad physical or mental issue which couldn't be fixed and they didn't want to live like that. But glad that people who suicide are left misunderstood and there's folks like you that claim they do it because someone called them stupid over a video game...

Kei1436 votes

hmmmmmmmm.....

alot of words trigger mental health episodes. They do cause suicides.

If I were you, I wouldn't go too much into the mental health argument, especially if you don't understand them.

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

On theory I have one. Practically too many experts like you out there...

Limmie3 votes

Considering "trigger words" are pretty much the poster children of BS pandering, they're not much of an argument either. They're a gross appropriation of the legitimate PTSD trauma triggers by the political correctness movement and nothing but.

Kei1433 votes

"Regular" people call it "political correctness movement".

If you work with those that are mentally ill, you'll know that certain groups within the mentally ill will suicide upon those triggers. We treat them very seriously once we have identified they have suicidal tendancies.

Timethief498 votes

ha no. it is riots game. you have to play by their rules if you want to play the game. you agree to those rules with every update and when you install the game. they dont want it so they punish for it. if you want to flame you have to live with the consequenzes.

EvilDustMan7 votes

Because you shouldn't start shit in the first place, mute doesn't resolve things, the original offender isn't resolved.

Magical Player5 votes

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/tech-support/201308/why-words-can-hurt-least-much-sticks-and-stones

http://classroom.synonym.com/words-hurt-people-12104.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j6YA03hm4k http://www.livescience.com/6285-words-hurt.html https://www.getcybersafe.gc.ca/wrdshrt/index-en.aspx

KORGtuners1 votes

For starters, .com is not a reliable source. Luckily, your first link had cited credible sources. (.edu, .gov, and .org are better sources.)

Second, words literally can not hurt you. It is very easy to prove. Talk to someone in a language they do not understand.

We can do the experiment right now. How do you feel if I were to say "Cosn mont libbty!"?

It is the actions/consequences that the words represent that causes pain. Not the words themselves.

Magical Player4 votes

Sigh lets go straight to hate speech call any person a derogatory terms

words such as these cause people to suffer if you don't suffer great but you are not everyone accpet that not everyone is the same as you and what may hurt them may not hurt you

KORGtuners1 votes

Words literally can not hurt you. It is very easy to prove. Talk to someone in a language they do not understand.

It is the preconceived actions/consequences that the words represent that causes pain. Not the words themselves.

This is true even for hate speech.

Magical Player4 votes

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2639959/Emotional-pain-hurts-more-than-physical-pain-researchers-say.html

Pain caused by emotional distress is more deeply felt and longer lasting than that caused by physical injuries words can cause emotional distress that is painful to some if you are not pained by words again good for you you however are not the sole person who plays this game

KORGtuners1 votes

Words literally can not hurt you. It is very easy to prove. Talk to someone in a language they do not understand.

It is the preconceived actions/consequences that the words represent that causes pain. Not the words themselves.

Find me an experiment where participants are subjected to a foreign language. That is the only way you can prove words cause pain.

Magical Player4 votes

What even "Find me an experiment where participants are subjected to a foreign language. That is the only way you can prove words cause pain."

This proves what?

You're claim is words you do not understand can not cause you pain? or is it words in a foreign language can not cause you pain?

Either way, I'm aware of no such study have been conducted as such I will take the assumption that it does not exist but feel free to prove me wrong and find a study of the question you asked

Words can cause pain if you are not pained by what others say great But again you are not the sole player of the game

CONTEXT CLUES help to understand what others are saying regardless of language difference

KORGtuners1 votes

words you do not understand can not cause you pain?

Correct.

but feel free to prove me wrong and find a study of the question you asked

How do you feel if I were to say "Cosn mont libbty!"?

CONTEXT CLUES help to understand what others are saying regardless of language difference

Helps my point. Context is what causes pain. Not words. I have prepared an example for you.

Consider the word "cookie". (Can be any word, I just chose that one.)

Person A: Their entire life, they are physically abused whenever the word "cookie" is used.

Person B: Their entire life, they are given a treat whenever the word "cookie" is used.

In this example, Person A will associate pain with the word "cookie". Person B will associate pleasure with the word "cookie". The word "cookie" is not the cause of pain or pleasure.

Magical Player3 votes

Common phrases

"fuck you ass wipe die in a hole"

now to me that just screams harassment but you're right if I didn't understand this communities language I'd probably not care

Guess we should just ban all words

KORGtuners1 votes

Guess we should just ban all words

Why not allow all words?

If you come across something offensive, you can simply mute the player.

Magical Player4 votes

Or what about this we'll meet middle ground if something is deemed offensive to just about everyone lets call it common decency or sportsmanlike conduct if they break that decency then we'll warn a summoner I dunno how about with a chat restriction if that fails we'll increase the chat restriction if that fails we'll step up our game

and 14 day ban them to really let them know that what they're doing is not positive

If they really don't hear us after that Guess we'll have no choice but to ban them

Great discussing this glad we could find a middle ground

KORGtuners1 votes

I don't think we can have a middle ground. Either the words are allowed or not allowed.

I'd be ok with chat restrictions and no account ban. Though, I would prefer no punishment and people simply use the mute button.

I view chat as a side experience. The main goal is to play the video game. Not chat inside the video game.

Magical Player2 votes

Awesome chat is a side experience that people tend to forget is not the actual game And while we can't allow all words nor can we ban for all words A middle ground of punishing for commonly unaccepted terms is fair

As it incorporates the idea of reform you're given notice about unacceptable behavior you're given a chance to correct it If you refuse to correct it then Riot has decided to increase punishment to help get the message through

Riot isn't the bad guy words are the bad guy Riot is trying to best accommodate the most for the greatest good not the least for some good

KORGtuners1 votes

A middle ground of punishing for commonly unaccepted terms is fair

Be careful. Majority rules is not always the best option. I prefer equal freedoms for everyone.

words are the bad guy

I thought we already agreed words are not the problem. The problem is in how words are interpreted.

Riot is trying to best accommodate the most for the greatest good not the least for some good

They could accomodate everyone. I'm not sure I understood that part of your text correctly.

Magical Player2 votes

Never said Majority rule

Punishing for commonly unaccepted phrases and slurs is a fair practice by no means does that state majority rule

it's giving proper accommodations to allow for the most good to be done with the least amount of harm

In no realm is everyone ever happy 100% the world is never perfect as such you can accommodate as many as you can to produce the most good In this case Certain words are known to have adverse affects on people to a greater degree than the positive effect on those spouting the words

Riot is not the majority they are the owners as you've seen on the boards everyone thinks they can do it better than them But as the owner operators they are entitled to enforce their opinion and will upon their userbase to best lead their community because this lets face it is RIOT games not Korgtuner games

Bettnachleger2 votes

{quoted}

Words literally can not hurt you. It is very easy to prove. Talk to someone in a language they do not understand.

That proves nothing, that's just dumb lol ... Tell a fat ugly virgin that he's fat and ugly and will ever be a virgin because of that in a language he's understanding. And tell me the outcome. I bet he's smiling ;^)

Azure Hamster4 votes

No™

Caitlyn

Mcloved3 votes

mech in understand where Timethief is coming from, but I'm also an advocate for freedom of speech, so im kinda torn between the two arguments, yes it is there game the run how they want, but its an online game, things are sometimes outta your hands. However words are just as effective as weapons, if used in the right way. ie (mother/father telling their child they're not their child, people telling you that you're useless everyday will eventually start to wear people down and they start believing it...) There's little things that we as a society can do to help end the hatred, however i do not believe it should come at the cost of freedom of others. It should just be an empathetic understanding, but very few people like that anymore, I do believe that some people have very "thin skinned" which dose set them up for future failure. There are times people need to step back and consider the words of others( either to improve themselves, during a debate, certain bills that that are being passed in your country, ect....) yet they also need to understand not to take things so seriously( ie: in a game someone has a bad game and says " you're a DA"(words that might not be much liked on the boards so some editing) or people lashing out in rage, learn to ignore it and move on). It's up to you entirely to either drop to the 2 year old tantrums or to be the mature one and just keep playing, trying to win, and regardless of out come keep on going, playing into others rage and traps pulls you down, its up to you to rise above it or let them pull you down.

KORGtuners1 votes

playing into others rage and traps pulls you down, its up to you to rise above it or let them pull you down.

Reporting/punishing people is not a way to rise above. Reporting/punishing is a form of revenge. While people have the privilege to report and Riot has the right to punish, neither act is noble. Neither act will produce positive results.

Pie Cubed2 votes

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Reporting/punishing people is not a way to rise above. Reporting/punishing is a form of revenge. While people have the privilege to report and Riot has the right to punish, neither act is noble. Neither act will produce positive results.

I'd say there's a difference between revenge (out of hate for the person) versus retribution (rightfully punishing someone).

Mcloved3 votes

um, reporting is letting riot know that someone is not following the summoners code, and will inevitability not only bring him/herself down but others along with them. How is it not when you report someone because of things they did and they get punished for it so they don't ruin other peoples game. Furthermore if you had read what I had put, it's up to you to ignore them since they will always be there and focus on your game and your style and ways to improve. You don't even "have to" report people, you can do what I said above, and never have to send in one report......

KORGtuners1 votes

Furthermore if you had read what I had put, it's up to you to ignore them since they will always be there and focus on your game and your style and ways to improve. You don't even "have to" report people, you can do what I said above, and never have to send in one report......

I'm sorry. I probably did not convey my thoughts properly. I am a fan of the bolded part.

higura3 votes

see the thing is, riot isn't banning you because "you hurt someones fefes ;( ;( ;("...they are banning you for intentionally creating a negativ expirience for the other players in the game .

OnlyYouCanHearMe2 votes

{quoted} Now consider that report/punish is not a preventive measure. It is a reactive deterrent. The true preventive measure is the chat filter. Yet, Riot allows the player to opt out of the preventive measure. Why are people allowed to be offended when they purposefully chose to see offensive speech?

  1. It's very difficult to simply expand the chat filter for offensive speech, when quite a bit of what players find offensive is not based on the specific words used, but the context in which they are used. With racial and homophobic slurs, those are very easy to filter out, but if you spend a lot of time in this section of the Boards, then you'll see that most of the logs people post that got them banned are not that clear cut. Many people are reported for calling for reports. Would you expand the filter to block the use of the word report? It's a harmless word by itself, and there are situations where it would be a needed one, so it's impractical to block it. People are also reported and punished for constantly listing their teammates scores to highlight feeding. The only way to stop that would be to filter out numbers, which is equally impractical. There's a reason why many of the things that are not on the filtered list are NOT on the filtered list. It is updated periodically, adding words as they need to be filtered out for the benefit of players.

  2. As far as your comment above... that sounds dangerously close to blaming the victims. The idea of expanding the chat filter, and forcing the players who abide by the rules to utilize an additional muting function, so that the players who are actively breaking the rules can continue to do so, is somewhat backwards in my mind. Why should the rule-breakers be given special permission to do and say whatever they want, and the players who are conscientious of the rules be saddled with restrictions? It really is not that hard to play a match without screaming at your teammates, cursing at them, slurring them, or flaming them with any of the various other methods of breaking the rules via chatting. Hundreds of thousands of players manage to do it every single day. We should not be punished because the toxics cannot be bothered to follow the damn rules.

KORGtuners1 votes

Fair warning. I don't really want to discuss with you simply because you have no power. Riot employees are the only people that can enforce change. That being said, I appreciate your response and will try to clear things up because this is an issue that you can explore in real life as well as in game.

quite a bit of what players find offensive

That is a problem right there. The player is choosing to be offended. They could choose not to be offended. They are punishing themselves and then asking Riot to punish others.

A chat filter is useful for a toxic person because it gives** instant feedback **on what is and is not acceptable.

A chat filter is useful for a non-toxic person for obvious reasons.

However, the main point was that chat filter should not be an optional experience. People know that chat filters are there to prevent certain words. By purposefully disabling the chat filter, you are consenting to being subjected to those words.

Why should the rule-breakers be given special permission to do and say whatever they want, and the players who are conscientious of the rules be saddled with restrictions?

Everyone should have the same freedoms. In regards to your example, this would mean that no one gets special permissions. Anyone could say anything they wanted. Not just the "bad guys".

When people are free to speak, they show their true personality. This can be useful for determining the honorable players. A player that has the freedom to say whatever they want but chooses to say something honorable. Is more righteous than a player that has no freedom to say whatever they want but simply follows the rules.

It really is not that hard to play a match without screaming at your teammates, cursing at them, slurring them, or flaming them with any of the various other methods of breaking the rules via chatting.

That is your opinion. Every person has a different temperment. There are also people with untreated medical conditions.

The worst part in my opinion, is a player can be permanently banned without doing any of your examples. Should "asking for reports" carry the same punishment as "hate speech"?

We should not be punished because the toxics cannot be bothered to follow the damn rules.

How are you being punished? It sounds like you are calling freedom of speech a punishment because it allows someone to say something you don't like.

EvilDustMan2 votes

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Fair warning. I don't really want to discuss with you simply because you have no power. Riot employees are the only people that can enforce change. That being said, I appreciate your response and will try to clear things up because this is an issue that you can explore in real life as well as in game.

That is a problem right there. The player is choosing to be offended. They could choose not to be offended. They are punishing themselves and then asking Riot to punish others.

A chat filter is useful for a toxic person because it gives** instant feedback **on what is and is not acceptable.

A chat filter is useful for a non-toxic person for obvious reasons.

However, the main point was that chat filter should not be an optional experience. People know that chat filters are there to prevent certain words. By purposefully disabling the chat filter, you are consenting to being subjected to those words.

Everyone should have the same freedoms. In regards to your example, this would mean that no one gets special permissions. Anyone could say anything they wanted. Not just the "bad guys".

When people are free to speak, they show their true personality. This can be useful for determining the honorable players. A player that has the freedom to say whatever they want but chooses to say something honorable. Is more righteous than a player that has no freedom to say whatever they want but simply follows the rules.

That is your opinion. Every person has a different temperment. There are also people with untreated medical conditions.

The worst part in my opinion, is a player can be permanently banned without doing any of your examples. Should "asking for reports" carry the same punishment as "hate speech"?

How are you being punished? It sounds like you are calling freedom of speech a punishment because it allows someone to say something you don't like.

Don't you say that responding to feeding and other toxicity is natural? So why don't they just not get offended by feeding? It's just a game, it doesn't hurt you.

KORGtuners1 votes

So why don't they just not get offended by feeding? It's just a game, it doesn't hurt you.

Ideally, people should not be offended by feeding.

I think people become offended too easily because of the punishment and ranking systems.

EvilDustMan2 votes

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Ideally, people should not be offended by feeding.

I think people become offended too easily because of the punishment and ranking systems.

Ideally, you shouldn't even be playing this game. You should be off doing something more productive. It's a zero sum game, what's the point?

OnlyYouCanHearMe2 votes

{quoted} Fair warning. I don't really want to discuss with you simply because you have no power. Riot employees are the only people that can enforce change.

Well, if you want to discuss matters with Riot, then your best bet is to submit a ticket to player support. This Board is not a direct route of communication with Riot staff, and while they do periodically reply in the threads here, discussions are primarily held between players and the Arbiters. From this Board's posted description, "This board is all about fostering a healthy community in which discussions can revolve around player behavior systems, in-game suspensions, or boards moderation. This includes topics on how the systems work, insight into why players were punished, and advice to help players improve moving forward." So, by posting here, you are going to get responses from other players. The main Riot employee that I have seen reply in these threads is Tantram, and he tends to answer questions players have regarding their punishments.

That is a problem right there. The player is choosing to be offended. They could choose not to be offended. They are punishing themselves and then asking Riot to punish others.

People cannot necessarily help their initial emotional reactions to something that they encounter, including offense. What they can do something about is how they act upon those emotions. Which is exactly what Riot encourages all players to do, and the basis behind something you quoted in your original post: the mute function for when a player is becoming excessively toxic. Players with more self-control will either not get (as) offended at situations in the game, will not flame teammates when they are offended, or will use the mute button when they are worried that they might flame teammates in response to things said, in comparison to players with less self-control.

A chat filter is useful for a toxic person because it gives** instant feedback **on what is and is not acceptable.

The thing is, the filter isn't actually giving any real feedback to the player who is toxic. It's just filtering out words for them. It doesn't tell the player what they cannot say, or should not say. It removes all consequences for saying anything and everything, by allowing them to say whatever they want. And it is only as effective as the programming behind it. Which means it will inherently be behind the trends in conversation, as it will constantly have to be updated with new words and phrases, which takes time and resources. So there will always be new insults and threats evolved.

Everyone should have the same freedoms. In regards to your example, this would mean that no one gets special permissions. Anyone could say anything they wanted. Not just the "bad guys".

When people are free to speak, they show their true personality. This can be useful for determining the honorable players. A player that has the freedom to say whatever they want but chooses to say something honorable. Is more righteous than a player that has no freedom to say whatever they want but simply follows the rules.

I'll address the two above together, as they coincide. Players are free to show their true personalities right now. When their true personalities are found to be "honorable" (I'm using your word here, not making a statement on my personal opinions of honor) they are allowed to keep playing. When their true personalities are found to be "dishonorable" (again using your word) they are told what actions of theirs cannot continue, and except in the most severe cases, are only issued a temporary punishment.

While Riot does not outright call certain players "good" or "bad" based on their behavior, they have put into place programs like the Honor Initiative, where players can be rewarded for choosing to act in a manner that makes the gaming experience more enjoyable for their teammates.

That is your opinion. Every person has a different temperment. There are also people with untreated medical conditions.

There are indeed people with undiagnosed medical and mental conditions. That however does not make them free from following the Terms of Use and Code of Conduct. They agree to follow them just the same as every other player. While this is a game, and not a matter of life and death, the players who play it need to start taking a little responsibility for their actions. It is no different than expecting a child to behave themselves in school, or an adult to treat their coworkers respectfully. If they are fully capable of controlling emotional outbursts in other public situations, then there is no reason why they should be allowed to do so in a League match.

The worst part in my opinion, is a player can be permanently banned without doing any of your examples. Should "asking for reports" carry the same punishment as "hate speech"?

No one will ever be permabanned for asking for a a report one time. Or even twice. Or even three times. That's just not how the punishment system works. The IFS cannot levy a permanent suspension for that. Now, if a player has already earned enough infractions to warrant a 14 day suspension, and then calls for reports multiple times in a match, thus harassing a teammate when they are already on their last strike? Yes, in that case, they can be permanently suspended for any infraction of the rules at that point. Because the way the IFS works is not by asking "does this infraction warrant a permaban" but by asking "does this infraction warrant a punishment?" If the answer is yes, a punishment is issued, and it is automatically the next one on the punishment tier. Players are punished for repeatedly breaking the rules, but they are given multiple warnings and punishments, except in the cases of hate speech, and those infractions that deal with cheating. And for those punishments that deal with toxicity, players are given the chance to work themselves back into "good standing" by playing games without demonstrating toxic behavior. Players who are genuinely trying to change their behavior have the opportunity to do so, and many of them do.

How are you being punished? It sounds like you are calling freedom of speech a punishment because it allows someone to say something you don't like.

It's not about whether I like it or not. I don't have a particularly thin skin. But allowing toxic players to say whatever toxic things they want, simply because they want to say them is not fair to the players who follow the rules of the game. And expanding a chat filter is not going to catch everything. It's not going to catch even half of it, as I've already shown you examples of things you cannot filter out that are considered toxic, reportable and punishable by Riot.

KORGtuners2 votes

Well, if you want to discuss matters with Riot, then your best bet is to submit a ticket to player support.

You are correct. I'm sorry if I was rude. In my defense, I have contacted Riot before. They were not very open for discussion. I should discuss with people that are willing.

What they can do something about is how they act upon those emotions.

I'm not convinced. I don't know for sure. My current opinion is that emotions influence actions. It is easier to control your emotions than it is to control your actions while under the influence of emotion.

For example, it is easier for me to avoid anger than it is for me to control my language while I am angry.

The thing is, the filter isn't actually giving any real feedback to the player who is toxic. It's just filtering out words for them. It doesn't tell the player what they cannot say, or should not say.

I don't agree. Chat filter only filters innappropriate words. If you type a word that is filtered, you should understand that word is not allowed.

It removes all consequences for saying anything and everything, by allowing them to say whatever they want.

That is surely not true. Have you ever seen the loading screen tip, "A chat filter is not an excuse to curse excessively."?

And it is only as effective as the programming behind it. Which means it will inherently be behind the trends in conversation,

I agree to an extent. I believe customizable chat filters could go a long way towards keeping the filter up to date.

Players are free to show their true personalities right now.

I disagree. Perhaps I used the wrong word though. In my opinion, freedom means exempt from retaliation. You can't say I am free to speak then punish me for my speech. I feel there is a better word than "freedom".

"Honor" and "punishment" are both used to encourage/discourage a behavior. A system that does not encourage/discourage behavior is more accurate than "honor/punishment" systems. (For determining true biases.)

the players who play it need to start taking a little responsibility for their actions.

I am not against this idea. However, the quote I responded to said it was "not hard".

It really is not that hard to play a match without screaming at your teammates, cursing at them, slurring them, or flaming them with any of the various other methods of breaking the rules via chatting.

I am just trying to point out, that what is easy for some. is not necessarily easy for others. Nor am I saying anyone should be exempt from the rules.

No one will ever be permabanned for asking for a a report one time. Or even twice. Or even three times. That's just not how the punishment system works.

The issue I have is that "reportable offenses" do not seem to be differentiated. For example, I can get a 14 day ban for "hate speech". Then get perma banned for "asking for reports". All offenses seem to stack on top of each other.

Another example: I go to jail for 10 years for theft. I get out of jail. I commit another crime, "running a red light". Then I get 30 years in jail because of "prior convictions".

But allowing toxic players to say whatever toxic things they want, simply because they want to say them is not fair to the players who follow the rules of the game.

It is completely fair. In this example, the rules have changed. Toxic people would no longer be breaking rules. Non-toxic people could say toxic things and go unpunished as well. The opposite is true as well. What I call "freedom of speech", gives equal rights to every person.

Randomonium2 votes

If you act like an ass in real life you get thrown out of a public place. Start screaming and insulting people in a restaurant and you will be asked to leave. Insult people at work and you'll be fired for harassment. Riot is doing the internet equivalent of what we already do in real life. It's not that the insults affect us, it's that we don't want to associate ourselves with toxic people. Punishment for toxicity is our way of ostracizing people in the league community in the same way we would ostracize them in real life. It's Riot's way of showing you the door.

Bettnachleger1 votes

What about stfu? Wtf is wrong with you?

Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au0cemUHTGA You have NO fucking idea about the state of the person you talk shit about. Like seriously .... maybe there is a person like Amanda who's fucked in real live.
And with your words ... you just make it worse .... Shut your ugly mouth if you talk to stranger and treat them like a normal human being.

Edit2: Sorry, but you're an asshole.

Kitty Cat Tosha1 votes

Do you consider mental illnesses such as depression an actual illness or just something people made up to get attention?

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