Stop censoring %%%%%, %%%got, etc.

SnakDatSmilesBak··4 votes·913 views

By making words taboo you cement their meaning. When you allow words to flow naturally their meaning changes over the years as languages change. Censoring specific words that we deem harmful today, means they'll still be harmful a hundred years from now.

Are words bad or are the connotations we attach to them bad? If those words no longer have bad connotations attached to them are they still bad? How do you change the connotation of a word? Sure as hell not by censoring it.

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Kei1436 votes

When language changes, they can change the system.

For now, it is 100% not tolerated.

SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

Consider: are the words not tolerated or is hate speech not tolerated? And then consider this: if the words aren't used in a demeaning way, then is it still hate speech?

Chermorg2 votes

There is no common, generally accepted non-demeaning way to use certain words currently.

It's like the word "retard" - it used to mean to "slow" or "prolong" - but now it literally has no non-negative meaning. You don't hear "fire retardant" anymore because the word literally doesn't have the same meaning.

SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

I mean no disrespect but you're using literally in the wrong way. To prove this claim wrong go look up "YG My %%%%%". It's censored here but it's a popular song you'll figure it out.

Beas7ie5 votes

Censored or not, those words are considered hate speech and not allowed in game at all.

Using them gets you an immediate 14 day "last warning ban".

SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

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Censored or not, those words are considered hate speech and not allowed in game at all.

Using them gets you an immediate 14 day "last warning ban".

Which is RIDICULOUS because it's not the words themselves that offend but the player and his or her intention. Banning words only masks the problem.

SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

This is not true, I have not yet gotten a 14 day last warning ban.

YerroFever4 votes

Riot has every right to censor words they find offensive on their game servers.

Riot censoring them is an early warning system to the player that their speech is unacceptable under Riot's standard of player behavior.

I highly doubt there are many instances where those words are meant affectionately, particularly with strangers. I have yet to see "Bliltz, you're my number one f - - - - t!"

SnakDatSmilesBak2 votes

I agree 100%. But morally speaking, is it right to let people take words away from us? I don't think so. It's like the gun debate (whether or not guns should be available to the public), only words are even more fundamental.

ModUlanopo4 votes

But morally speaking, is it right to let people take words away from us?

<<Shakes Head>>

I'm confused. In what way did you "own" those words to begin with?

SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

Lol don't derail, you know what I meant. Riot is taking away the right to use those words, even when no malice is intended.

Silent Gravity4 votes

There is no way to use those words without malice.

SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

To prove yourself wrong google this: "YG my %%%%%" it's censored but it was a popular song I'm sure you'll figure it out

Bettnachleger1 votes

You have still the right to use these words as much as you want. But you have to face the consequences for that.

Btw. do you have a job? If yes, go to your coworkers and call them %%%gots. After that, go to your chef and call him a %%%got. (in a no malice intended way ...) Would like to know if you still have your job one day after ;^)

SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

I'm friends with all my co-workers we call each other stupid shit all the time. So yeah I do still have it :)

I understand what you're saying, that some people don't like those words. I'm saying that's what's really unacceptable. The nword is almost as loaded as your mom after I'm done with her so lots of people don't like it. But that doesn't mean we need to hide it, imagine if we hid your mom jokes because really nobody likes those.

We should be allowed to say the word itself. Yes I know riot gets the final say, but I also get to say that I think I should be allowed to say it.

YerroFever2 votes

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I agree 100%. But morally speaking, is it right to let people take words away from us? I don't think so. It's like the gun debate (whether or not guns should be available to the public), only words are even more fundamental.

I mean no disrespect, but I don't understand why you believe you should be able to dictate what is said and what is censored on Riot's private servers.

By your reference to gun ownership, I must inform you that the constitution states that the government shall not infringe upon your freedom of speech. Riot is not the government. You have absolutely no standing to require free speech if a private company bars certain language on their property.

You have no right to say words that Riot does not want you to say on their private property and League of Legends, their forums, and all game content is their property.

The constitution actually works against you on this topic.

EDIT: The above means whatever you say in their game or on their forums is subject to Riot's private rules as the platform you are using is Riot's private property.

SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

I don't believe that at all. I believe riot has their rules and I will respectfully break them or follow them as I see fit. I'm not dictating anything, I'm starting a discussion.

PaeanAsklepios1 votes

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SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

I'm saying that those words are not hate speech and therefore should not be censored. Morally speaking I believe we have an obligation to acknowledge our past mistakes and learn from them. And to me that means we can't censor loaded words we don't like because they remind us of really bad things we did.

Chermorg2 votes

The issue is these words used to have neutral connotations (f-- is used as a word for cigarette/butt in some parts of Europe) but over time, by not being censored, they've lost the neutral connotations and literally only become negative.

SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

I will never agree to censoring words on the grounds that they have negative connotations. We need those words as much as we need every other word.

Chermorg3 votes

No, we don't.

How often do you hear the word "thou" anymore? How about "doth" or "crapulous"? You don't need every word in a language. Those first two you probably know what mean. The last one, probably not - it's not needed anymore.

Same with hate speech. It's not necessary.

SnakDatSmilesBak2 votes

The difference between those words and the words you're calling hate speech is that those words in your comment fell out of favor naturally. I don't know for sure, but I'd be willing to bet that doth, thou, and crapulous weren't censored.

Yes each word is as important as the next. It's like a color, if you take green out of painting it fundamentally limits paintings forever. Every single word carries it's own meaning. Even today if you use the word "doth," it implies something more than just the base meaning. Likewise if you use the word %%%%%, instead of African, it implies something. That meaning is important and often negative, yet using the word doesn't always mean someone is trying to offend someone else.

Riot shouldn't censor words and shouldn't have a zero tolerance policy on words. Negative words do not equate with hate speech.

Regardless i appreciate the responses, it's interesting to see what people think about this kind of stuff.

Chermorg3 votes

You said "We need those words as much as we need every other word." - and I just proved with three examples that you don't need any certain words in society.

There's a difference between taking green out of painting, and taking out a very very specific shade of green that could easily be replaced with another.

The censored word you used has never been used to describe "African". At best, it was used to describe black slaves. Even then, that word is associated with slavery/lynching/racism. There is no acceptable use of that word in an online video game.

Further, while there are certain words that are acceptable in real life, this is an online video game where you play with 9 strangers each game. You have no clue where they come from or what their life is like. You don't know if they're the people who say the n word to each other daily, or if they're someone who maybe was violently assaulted in an act of racism. You don't know if their parents screamed the f word at them while beating them, forcing them to run away and become homeless, all because of their sexuality.

Words do change over time - but that works in both directions. Words that were considered cursing become more generally accepted. But also, words that were considered acceptable in some cases (f-g, retard, etc) become unacceptable.

SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

Yeah but that shade of green that you took out? It had meaning that you're disregarding now. It's so unfair to black people to hide the nword. The nword carries weight that African-American doesn't. The nword is what people called people of African descent for centuries. It is not the act of slavery or any of the crimes committed along with slavery, but it carries that weight with it.

Who are we to disguise, or worse, forget our ancestors mistakes?

Who are we to CONTINUE our ancestors mistakes by continuing to give the word negative power? By censoring the word riot tells people it can still be used to offend people more so than other words can.

In reality the word is merely a part of history, and that history should not be forgotten or hidden.

You say there is no acceptable use of the word in game, but why should we have to cover up this stuff?

You said it yourself. It represents slavery. We. Can. Not. Cover. That. Up.

In fact, I'd argue "%%%%%" is one of the most important words in American history.

General Esdeath 2 votes

no

ModWuks2 votes

Allowing people to be dicks without any effort to limit or restrict their ability to do so is quite simply a bad idea. We aren't going to allow these racially, socially, or otherwise charged words to be used on the Boards simply to make a social point. If at some point in the future, the impact of these words is limited, that's great. But for now, these words are harmful and abusive, and we'll censor them on the Boards because we can.

SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

Understandable. However, it's not simply to make a social point. I really think league shouldn't censor the nword. It's disrespectful to African Americans to hide such a huge part of their history. It's dark and it's ugly but it's what people did, and I hate it as much as the next guy but we can't ignore it. They made a mistake we have to own up to.

Besides dicks will be dicks no matter what. There's no shortage of racial slurs to toss at someone. I appreciate the thought, but censoring words like this is going to have the opposite of the intended effect.

PaeanAsklepios1 votes

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SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

It's disrespectful that it's censored. It's disrespectful that it's hidden. It's disrespectful to use it aggressively. It's not disrespectful to just say the word.

atomicwit1 votes

there are some really weird things that are censored in lobby... things that aren't even "bad" words

too bad I can't think of an example

SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

I think this is a bug riot said they knew about.

Liquid Poro 1 votes

What about when your in game and said that censor word. Tell me the reaction.

SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

I called someone a %%%%% today, he said "haha."

PaeanAsklepios1 votes

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SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

Nothing but if you read the comments above you'll realize your comment has very little relevance.

Glu10Sensitivity1 votes

buddy, i looked at your other discussion and they are in conflict with each other. in the other thread you claim riot favors gays and blacks because they censor slurs against gays and blacks but not against middle eastern people. now you want riot to not censor any of them.

what do you really want? do you want all slurs censored or do you want no slurs censored?

SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

The other thread is to show how slippery a slope censorship is.

Glu10Sensitivity2 votes

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The other thread is to show how slippery a slope censorship is.

no, a slippery slope argument is where you get things that shouldn't be censored become censored.

your other thread is complaining that a middle eastern slur isn't censored.

SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

Yes, complaining to show how ridiculous it is that racial slurs are censored. If %%%%% is censored, what's stopping other slurs from being censored?

Glu10Sensitivity2 votes

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Yes, complaining to show how ridiculous it is that racial slurs are censored. If %%%%% is censored, what's stopping other slurs from being censored?

But that's not a slippery slope argument. I think you are misusing the concept of slippery slope

PaeanAsklepios1 votes

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SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

I'm arguing that it's not hate speech and is rather an important part of history that shouldn't be covered up or censored like it is.

PaeanAsklepios1 votes

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SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

A better community does not need to hide it's mistakes. End of story.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

Don't you have anything better to do besides wasting time making this kind of thread....

SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

Realistically no and I'm a psychology student this is my lifeblood

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