SPENDING MONEY ON THIS GAME DOES NOT NET YOU ANYTHING BUT ENJOYMENT

SnakDatSmilesBak·Apr 20, 2017·86 votes·3,748 views

If you go into a movie theater and buy a ticket to see Finding Dory but halfway through the film decide that you don't like it and proceed to proclaim your dissatisfaction at the top of your lungs, you will be kicked out of the theater. You will not be refunded, you will not be treated kindly at all, in fact.

Why do people expect refunds when they're banned from league? It's the same principle. You're paying for an entertainment service. You are not buying a good for you to own. If you break riot's rules you get kicked out and cut off. You gave them your money and now it's their money and still their service.

TLDR; RIOT WILL NOT AND SHOULD NOT REFUND ANYTHING IF YOU ARE BANNED FOR BREAKING TERMS OF SERVICE

61 Comments

Skins ProjectApr 20, 20178 votes

Actually it's even more so for Leauge....

You legit accept a contract in order to play... Don't accept a contract in order to watch a movie..

(Yes I know terms of service does NOT equal a contract same concept though)

The Fuzzy 0neApr 20, 20176 votes

Lol yeah, on old client you'd have to click accept after every patch. I would always laugh so hard at the people posting about being ripped off, saying they owned the skins hahahaha first rule: always read the fine print, and the fine print says that you buy the right to use their content and chich can be revoked if and when you break the summoners code XD

Skins ProjectApr 20, 20172 votes

Not even...

It legit says that riot has the right to take your account any given time. With or without reason.

The Fuzzy 0neApr 20, 20171 votes

I read it every time. I read it 2 days ago even, and I don't remember it saying without reason... It's a typical EULA agreement and they reserve the right to terminate their service to you should you violate it. Terminating without violating the terms of the contract is a breach of contract...

Skins ProjectApr 20, 20171 votes

Mmmm....

My bad then... I might be remembering something else's version of it..

I'll check it again at some point.

themachampApr 20, 20176 votes

Not true....you can actually complain that a movie is bad and/or hard to watch and get a refund from the theater. As far as riot goes, they do a work around because you buy "RP". You never actually purchase an item directly, hence they can skirt around the refund issue. As a side note......on riots refunds in the store....you never get money back.....you get the RP back. RP is basically like a middleman for legal maneuvering.

RallerenPApr 20, 201720 votes

I have never heard of this, most theathers wont refund you just because you think the movie is bad. Also the theather sells you the tickets, not the movie, kinda like RP.

themachampApr 20, 20172 votes

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I have never heard of this, most theathers wont refund you just because you think the movie is bad. Also the theather sells you the tickets, not the movie, kinda like RP.

Well, there are some major differences....theaters are an independent business from the movie companies, so if you are not happy you can go see the managers face to face and work out a solution. There is no middleman when dealing with riot and 99.9% of players will never get a chance to deal with riot face to face. Aka....they can and do just shut down support tickets and deem case closed.

The Fuzzy 0neApr 20, 201716 votes

Can I watch movies at you theater? All the theaters in my city would straight up laugh at you.

The LexerApr 20, 20176 votes

He also compared it to proclaiming "your dissatisfaction at the top of your lungs" which is different from talking 1 on 1 with a manager

SnakDatSmilesBakApr 21, 20171 votes

A few ppl missed this and I think that's where the disagreement stems from.

ValeckseraiApr 20, 201710 votes

I work at a movie theatre, and that is complete bs. That has never happened and will never happen where I work.

AnihakuApr 20, 20173 votes

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I work at a movie theatre, and that is complete bs. That has never happened and will never happen where I work.

What exactly won't happen and which chain do you work for currently?

SaladSavior215Apr 21, 20172 votes

why does your comment even have down votes lol, you just asked a question.

AnihakuApr 25, 20171 votes

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why does your comment even have down votes lol, you just asked a question.

I was honestly just curious. I worked for a prominent chain for 10 years and that was rarely ever the case. Most often than not......a manager would act that way only to have their superior reverse their decision and ultimately reprimand them for acting in such a manner. It's incredibly easy to get a refund in actuality.

Win the guest.....not the argument. ;P [slayer-jinx-catface]

KarfussApr 21, 20171 votes

It's only true in extreme circumstances, where a showing isn't adequately advertised and a customer is offended by the content. Typically this only applied to racial and homophobic slurs and the likes. At least that was the case for where I used to work in the summer once.

Although you certainly wouldn't get a refund for making a fuss over nothing. You'd just be tossed out.

eazymakaveli3Apr 20, 20174 votes

buying skins is stupid af imo. i always laugh and pity the people saying they spent 1k $ on skins like wtf

RallerenPApr 20, 20174 votes

I mean, its great for Riot and a huge part of their income. If people want to spend alot of money on something let them. Just means they contributed to making league f2p

DracocrashApr 20, 201710 votes

maybe they are people whit jobs , and can spend their money as they like?

Also if people didn't "waste their money on skins" you would probably not be able to play league.

charge attackApr 20, 20176 votes

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buying skins is stupid af imo. i always laugh and pity the people saying they spent 1k $ on skins like wtf

I mean if I was struggling financially or if I don't have an income I'd see your point, but people spend money on a bunch of shit that's just cosmetic (I.e. someone got a new paint job for their car for $3k). Hell, I don't give a fk what my car looks like so why not spend $20-40 on some skins I really want?

Idk why people get more shit for buying cosmetic ingame items vs. buying an expensive as watch.

royalpasteApr 20, 20173 votes

Not really that stupid unless you're broke. If i have some extra money and there's a skin i want ill get it. Over 4 years paying 10$-30$ every once and while really adds up (ive spent ~600$). Also i have played for about 1k hours so its worth it imo

Fondling GemsApr 20, 20174 votes

I buy stuff to support Riot and give them incentive to keep doing what they are doing. Also buying a skin is no different from buying a picture to hang on your wall.

I have dropped 600 dollars over 3 years and am perfectly fine with that because that is still less money than I would spend on a 30 dollar per month game. So on the money spending on games front I am pretty happy. League has given me more entertainment than 3 Playstation games so I have no issue dropping that much money on it.

Telephone BoothApr 20, 20177 votes

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buying skins is stupid af imo. i always laugh and pity the people saying they spent 1k $ on skins like wtf

When I was a kid I thought it was stupid that people would spend real money on little extra things in games. Then you start to realize how a lot of the shit people spend their money on is stupid af. So to each their own. If you have money and like skins, why not buy em? It's the same thing as someone buying designer clothes. If that's what you like, hey, go for it.

ShonjlApr 20, 20174 votes

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buying skins is stupid af imo. i always laugh and pity the people saying they spent 1k $ on skins like wtf

They are paying so you can play the game. Cheap players that never spend a dime need to remember if it wasn't for those people that spend a ton on free to play games, your ass wouldn't be playing. The game would shutdown or become a sub game.

So laughing at them is pretty stupid on your part. They would be the ones laughing at you if you can't play if a game ever became sub.

Dr PoroApr 20, 20173 votes

No, it's like more like gonig to a festival with drugs and claim the money from your ticket back because you got thrown out.

(I know it's really hard to get kicked out, though. Makes the analogy even stronger?)

SnakDatSmilesBakApr 21, 20171 votes

Sure but how many league players go to festivals you think? I agree the analogy is stronger tho

Synnx7Apr 21, 20173 votes

Why would i even spend RP for a trash company that owns a broken game

SnakDatSmilesBakApr 21, 20172 votes

If that's your opinion of the game then you wouldn't :)

Mech0pApr 21, 20172 votes

honestly I compare it to the average console game wher you get about 12-18 hours of gameplay for 60$ "doesn't include online just single player story" this comes out to around 5$ an hour.... honestly you could buy half the skins in the game and be banned after a year and should still be content that you got your moneys worth because your looking at a an hour a day which ends up being 365 hours a year which would result in about 1800 dollars worth of story player console gameplay///

SnakDatSmilesBakApr 21, 20171 votes

yup

BigNasty3001Apr 21, 20172 votes

This is the dumbest thread I've ever seen on here. Not only is the analogy bad, it's just untrue. I've literally gotten my money back for walking out of movies.

This thread lacks a basic understanding of economics, and business. There are other theaters I can go to, there aren't other servers you can play this game on.

Then there is the comments about how great buying skins from a company that says they can take them away at any time. Let's not pretend this is smart purchasing.

So stupid.

SnakDatSmilesBakApr 21, 20173 votes

Your lack of respect makes me reluctant to reply to you and your points are largely invalid.

You complained and got your money back. In league terms: someone dislikes the skin/game so they ask for a refund.

If you read my post this isn't the scenario I'm discussing. I'm talking about where someone breaks terms of service, gets banned, and then requests a refund.

BigNasty3001Apr 21, 20171 votes

I'm waiting for you to invalidate my comment......I won't hold my breath.

A theater is incomparable to LoL. Even a basic econ class would teach you that. Theaters are providing the exact same product as their competitors. There is nobody providing the exact same product as Riot in this context. Is Riot the theater in your example? Or are they the movie studio? How about the distribution company? See, this is why your analogy is terrible. They are incomparable business models, and this causes them to treat their customers extremely differently. It takes a lot more than a few curse words to get kicked out of a movie, and I can only imagine what it takes to get banned.

If you are attending or have attended school, will you be calling your teacher rude when they point out that your analogies are lazy and nonsensical?

I'm not saying that Riot should give refunds, just that this analogy is stupid, and it doesn't hold up to a minor amount of scrutiny.

SnakDatSmilesBakApr 22, 20172 votes

If you read my post this isn't the scenario I'm discussing. I'm talking about where someone breaks terms of service, gets banned, and then requests a refund.

I called you rude because of your tone, not because you tried to correct me.

Nice FellowApr 22, 20171 votes

Actually your points are largely invalid and your analogy makes 0 sense. Theaters and Riot have different policies towards the service they provide.

Your thread OP does not make much sense at all.

HowPlayGAEMApr 20, 20171 votes

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SnakDatSmilesBakApr 21, 20172 votes

like buying a hearthstone pack

58697132DEL1Apr 20, 20171 votes

Thought this was a thread about how this game isn't actually Free to Play lol. Yeah thinking you get refunds for being dumb is stupid. Your example is bad tho idk if you're american but here if you complain about anything you can get either a refund or a crazy discount on something (like free tickets to a different movie or whatever) it's actually stupid. I have gotten so much embarrasment from a specific friends parent because he has this mentality that if things dont go exactly right he deserves to berate employees, demand a manager, and yells his way into shit. Good ol US of A

But yeah, dont bitch about refunds if banned like you mustagotten warned and yet continued to do things like be toxic so you deserve to lose your stuff.

(Also League isn't free to play unless you have the money to literally focus on nothing but league with all of your time. I'm just tacking that on.)

KnalxzApr 20, 20171 votes

It's an issue that you can't return a skin you don't like. I understand that if you had a skin from season 1, then you had more then enough time to refund it, why not? But let's say if in a few days you bought a skin and you found it to be pretty lack luster, then why shouldn't you be able to return it?

AJ77Apr 20, 20171 votes

I mean they give 3 refunds for this reason, but if they gave infinite, you could just buy a skin, play for two games, and return it forever.

Before you buy, you can go on youtube and look at the skin. That way you have an idea beforehand. :)

KnalxzApr 21, 20171 votes

You do know that even if you return the skin you don't get your money back right? With Lol it's impossible to do so, which it's not really anyone's fault. Riot has their money from the player buying the RP and you can test out other skins you want.

YoungSirJ0eyApr 21, 20171 votes

That's not what this thread is about.

KnalxzApr 21, 20171 votes

The thread is about the refunds, I spoke about refunds.

YoungSirJ0eyApr 21, 20171 votes

No, it's not. It's about getting your money back if you get banned. Not about standard refunds.

KnalxzApr 21, 20171 votes

Isn't getting your money back a refund? The context afterwards means nothing to the complete conversation. Refunding is the basis and I spoke about it thus I am on topic.

If there was ever a problem of me being off topic I think the OP would say so, not you.

themachampApr 21, 20171 votes

I'll give you an example.....we complained that movie Cloverfield was bad and near unwatchable. Some people even got sick watching it lol.....so yes , you can get your money back from a theater.

SnakDatSmilesBakApr 21, 20171 votes

You complained and got your money back. In league terms: someone dislikes the skin/game so they ask for a refund.

If you read my post this isn't the scenario I'm discussing. I'm talking about where someone breaks terms of service, gets banned, and then requests a refund.

9Wly9oMl02Apr 21, 20171 votes

Correction, spending money still does not net enjoyment.

SnakDatSmilesBakApr 21, 20171 votes

Well maybe not for you but if I was to spend money on league for a skin. The only thing I would get to keep is however much I enjoyed using the skin. Or in other words the happiness I got from the service. I am not buying a product. That is the distinction I was trying to make.

9Wly9oMl02Apr 21, 20171 votes

Lol, I was kidding. But yes, you are not buying anything. They make that perfectly clear in their ToS. The only people arguing against it and that they should get their money back if they sue are 12 year old kids that don't understand how anything works.