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KelseysRentMoney··1 votes·817 views

I'm shaco and asking for a leash. Placed first box on golems at 50 seconds and 2'nd on red buff. At this point i've asked for a leash twice but my bot lane naut has decide he want's to bush camp bot lane and told me "You're shaco you don't need a leash", My Miss fourtune decide that the naut was correct in saying I am not worth of a leash because I am playing shaco. I proceed to get upset don't type anything except "you'll regret this choice" or something and proceed to mute the naut and his duo queue. 2 Minutes in first blood enemy bot lane and my naut is dead in river, meanwhile I struggle with golems. Am I at fault for expecting a bot lane after being asked to help TO HELP or is he at fault for being ignorant and not a team player? I'm asking because half way through the game I noticed the enemy team talking to someone I couldn't see low and behold it's naut asking for the enemy team to report me, I'm positive I didn't type anything to get myself in trouble because I knew from the start that they were already tilted about being in their support role and that there was no way for me to get them to help me, but i'd like to know a better way to handle people like this. I muted him and his friend but for some reason the top laner agree'd with the naut saying I deserved to be banned and that he would report me for "over reacting" at not getting help level 1. When in reality all I did was mute the duo and continue to struggle through my jungle. Admittedly I didn't try and I did play the game half assed but not to the point that I was ignoring people intentionally feeding or BM'ing the team. I personally find it hard within myself to play with people who act like this, at the end of the day we're all here to play the game and people who act the way the naut did belong less in the community then the people who BM.

26 Comments

Kei1437 votes

Shacos don't need leashes -_-

Also, when I'm jungling, I never expect people to leash me. Its a bonus, but not a requirement.

If I can't solo clear with that champ, I don't bring him to match made games (unless its things like rotating game modes).

Its the same for demanding blue buff as a mid laner. Not a requirement for the jungler to hand it over. Its nice though.

Its also not a requirement for junglers to gank lanes. Counter jungling while leaving wards everywhere is a fine tactic as well.

KelseysRentMoney1 votes

At least you were civilized and your point is whole and legitimate. I did end up clearing just fine but the point remains. The entire start and most important part of shacos game was disrupted because people felt that the leash was less important then playing overly aggressive which in turn cost us first blood. I'm not saying they should be banned but the reason the lower elo and mmr have taken such a backslide in terms of civility is because of small unpunished actions like these that actually do have a significant impact on the game with little effect of the individual being asked to assist. Riot won't condone or punish actions like these so they've continued and become apart of just about every game if not every game at the lower elo.

Kei1435 votes

Well, next time you can tell them to give you a quick leash and you can clear fast(er) and go lvl 2 harass a lane or the enemy jungle. Of course let them know to let the enemies push the lane if possible.

Normally people are more inclined when they hear that, and not think "thats a strong jungler, he doesn't need a leash".

archerno16 votes

They didnt say you dont need leash because "you are not worth of a leash" but because generally Shaco doesnt need leash. Their mistake was to asume that you know how to play Shaco, you should have told them that you are new to that champion and that you really require help.

KelseysRentMoney2 votes

Passive aggressive comments like this I consider BM, Sad to see people like you so common on forums with backhanded comments like this. " Their mistake was to asume that you know how to play Shaco"

archerno14 votes

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Passive aggressive comments like this I consider BM, Sad to see people like you so common on forums with backhanded comments like this. " Their mistake was to asume that you know how to play Shaco"

I dont care what u consider bm. I explained to you why they didnt wanna leash u since u presented it like they didnt leash you causr you are not worthy. Its not their obligation to leash you, but if they dont then they shouldnt expect ganks. As for your question who was wrong answer is simple. Both. You cause of your lame threat "you will regret that and Naut for reportcalling. Animosity between 3 of you costed your entire team victory and gave your opponents free win. Your course of action was semi correct. Its good that you muted him, but threat was unnecessary and was used for sole purpose of creating toxic environment(ironic considering how much you mention BM).

KelseysRentMoney1 votes

I've flipped through your replys and comments on threads it's apparent you have a massive ego and are a know it all. You coming to my post to trash talk isn't what boards are for. Reality is you know nothing about the game I was just in except for what I listed and described. I use to think that people who got upset over league matches were toxic but people like you are the real fire starters. You use passive aggressive comments and offer no real valid points but still feel the need to make the comments. You're the one on my thread if you don't care what I think as you stated then don't return to my thread, but you have to because you feel you are right and need to.

KelseysRentMoney1 votes

You've also proven to me twice now that you are delusional and further conversation with you or people like you is just a waste of time.

KelseysRentMoney1 votes

Notice how you're acting as if you were in the game with me. "Animosity between 3 of you costed your entire team victory and gave your opponents free win" "You cause of your lame threat" "but threat was unnecessary and was used for sole purpose of creating toxic environment" You don't know what I said, so how was it a threat? I said if you don't leash you'll regret it. that's not a threat "you'll regret this choice was stated after the naut made a comment that he was bush camping to get flash from the enemy bot lane. So I advise you to climb down from that pedestal spend less time trash talking on forums and more time defining words you don't know.

KelseysRentMoney1 votes

Look at the reasoning he uses. Me telling them they'll regret the choice they made is not me refusing to help the jungler begging for some help. Maybe in your world when people are confronted with the truth that's "toxic" but here on earth i'd consider it more toxic when you refuse to help a player and in turn handicap him for the first few minutes of his and your game.

Nik Nikerson3 votes

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"you'll regret this choice" or something

He's just going off of what you said. And if that's really what you wrote, it very easily comes off as a threat. That's likely how I would have read it had I been in game.

KelseysRentMoney1 votes

Your insinuating that there's only one way to box. When in fact I have a way I like to box because it speeds my jungle up and I start bot lane no matter the side i'm on so I always have the extra start in the jungle. You're comment insinuates that when playing shaco box the same way everytime in case people don't want to help leash. Even tho leashing and putting dmg on jungle's has been around since s2.

hh the thinker2 votes

if you didn't break the rules, you won't get punished even if they report you. they should have given you a leash, but you also should be able to jungle without one, no matter what jungle you play (like j4 or voli or kindred, not something like soraka jungle of course).

RogueWill1 votes

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if you didn't break the rules, you won't get punished even if they report you. they should have given you a leash, but you also should be able to jungle without one, no matter what jungle you play (like j4 or voli or kindred, not something like soraka jungle of course).

J4 actually requires the leash...otherwise you lose all your early game and some of your mid game spike. If you don't get a leash is almost as if you weren't playing

hh the thinker1 votes

can jungle without one, but it does put you farther behind. people should give leashes, but don't NEED to, but they also wouldn't be getting ganks most likely then. things can also happen like invades that mess up the early game a bit. getting a leash is always good, but not 100% needed, even if it makes a really big difference.

RogueWill1 votes

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can jungle without one, but it does put you farther behind. people should give leashes, but don't NEED to, but they also wouldn't be getting ganks most likely then. things can also happen like invades that mess up the early game a bit. getting a leash is always good, but not 100% needed, even if it makes a really big difference.

Here is the thing J4 is one of those champions with horrendous clear speeds. He can only do the first clear without a leash if he goes for the crab after the first 2 camps, which is quite risky considering you will be around 25% left. And he has to recall after the 3rd camp negating him a gank. After recaalling he can do the second half but again will be too low to gank afterward (since the monster are higher level now) or risking a gank with less than half your HP. That means that when he can finally gank safely, mid should be about to hit level 6 and bot will be about to hit lvl 5. Considering J4 power is stronger early that puts him in a huge disadvantage, no whe can easily get counterjungled, invaded and outrotated and he wouldn't be able to do nothing about it.

hh the thinker1 votes

fair enough. i mostly added him as an example, though he wasn't the best one i could pick from. something like graves jungle would be a better example since he has much better clears. i mostly meant that junglers can still work without a leash, though it can put them behind like you said.

if there was a game and no one wanted to leash for whatever reason, j4 jg would still be able to farm a bit and gank i believe, even if behind. it's harder, but possible. it also does happen rarely that people don't leash. i do agree though, j4 does have a hard time, even if he can manage it barely.

EndGamer112 votes

Strange, when I have Shacos on my team they shoo me away from leashing :/

The Aqualious1 votes

They should not have been rude too you, BUT

Shaco doesn't actually need a leash, you start boxes and as the spawn timer is going you place 1 every chance you get BEHIND ONE of the camps (back of their campsite).

This way you can have 3-4 boxes attacking the red buff (or blue, usually red though), applying the early back stab damage and when the monster turns to deal with them, you attack it from behind

At the end of the day, they are at fault and you did the right thing.

And try out the Shaco method next game, no leash needed I guarantee if done properly

KelseysRentMoney1 votes

So that feel i'm getting is "Don't rely on your team" Sad to see that's what we've come to Season 6 of league. Change your personal play preference to compensate for players who don't care to help.

HexaDecimel1 votes

What people are saying is that typically Shaco doesn't need a leash, therefore it is more common that players won't take the time to leash and will instead go straight to their lane so they don't miss cs and xp. Also, leashing is not a requirement, it is simply a common practice to help give the jungler a boost with their clear. Not giving a leash in its self does not mean the player is trolling or don't care enough to help. This style of play has been consistent throughout all of the seasons and has nothing to do with season 6.

KelseysRentMoney1 votes

I personally think it' just to the point that the riot has quit caring about small issues like this and will just continue to let people act and behave like this while banning and punishing players who actively engage in discussion on issues like this in a manner that is disapproved by someone. I remember playing league when you could play 10 games without encountering a toxic individual now passive aggressive things go unpunished and are apart of every game. No wonder people get toxic.

KelseysRentMoney1 votes

a few examples. Stealing Jungle Mobs Intentionally putting a lane behind by soaking xp standing beside them all game Trolls picks/bans (int banning a champ that's hover picked because you disapprove) Intentionally ignoring players who are struggling

Nik Nikerson1 votes

Who's getting banned for having a discussion? Or do you mean in game?

Ada Wong1 votes

Generally I see a lot of shaco's not need a leash...

But have you ever seen a LCS player double leash, or give red/blue to another lane at start of the game?

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

You're playing Shaco, the one champion who doesn't require a leash, and you're blaming your teammates for having a higher knowledge of Shaco kit more than you do.

If you wanna make out a plan, at least don't keep quiet about it. All I see in this thread is you making a quick assumption of your bot lane's behavior due to your quietness.

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